Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

[OIC1965]

Yes through those scriptures .

So the Spirit is speaking, we are commanded to hear what He is saying, and those who do not have ears to hear CANNOT HEAR HIM.

So if a person don’t have ears to hear, you cannot hear, but the blame is not God’s, it is wholly that person’s fault.

Jesus said “why can’t you understand what I’m saying, even because YOU CANNOT HEAR MY WORD. John 8:43

Sounds like INABILITY. But not a physical or mental inability. It is a spiritual/moral inability cause by love of sin.

“ HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE when you seek glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from God. John 5:44

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle

Who then can be saved then

With man this is IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible.

Do you see the inability. But it’s not because God made them unable. Their sin enslaved them, and those chains must be broken

Jesus broke the chains of inability at the cross. Now whosoever will may come, but it’s through the CALL whereby the SPIRIT and the Bride say WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME. Rev. 22:17

It has been granted unto us to believe

This is not Calvinism. It is the Gospel preached by Jesus, Foretold by the prophets and expounded further by the apostles.

 

[EleventhHour]

I dont disagree . But Calvinsims main central meme is the T .

I do not disagree...but I think irresistible grace is the weak point.. not supported in scripture.

For those who advance God "Selects" some deny this requires Grace to be irresistible....yet I do not see how?

 

[EleventhHour]

So the Spirit is speaking, we are commanded to hear what He is saying, and those who do not have ears to hear CANNOT HEAR HIM.

So if a person don’t have ears to hear, you cannot hear, but the blame is not God’s, it is wholly that person’s fault.

Jesus said “why can’t you understand what I’m saying, even because YOU CANNOT HEAR MY WORD. John 8:43

Sounds like INABILITY. But not a physical or mental inability. It is a spiritual/moral inability cause by love of sin.

“ HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE when you seek glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from God. John 5:44

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle

Who then can be saved then

With man this is IMPOSSIBLE, but with God all things are possible.

Do you see the inability. But it’s not because God made them unable. Their sin enslaved them, and those chains must be broken

Jesus broke the chains of inability at the cross. Now whosoever will may come, but it’s through the CALL whereby the SPIRIT and the Bride say WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME. Rev. 22:17

It has been granted unto us to believe

This is not Calvinism. It is the Gospel preached by Jesus, Foretold by the prophets and expounded further by the apostles.

Sounds like INABILITY.

Interesting how slowly your adherence to more of the tenets are revealed.

 

[throughfaith]

And faith is granted by God and a gift of God, (that can be resisted or rejected).

So do you hold to the view of Previeniant grace , perhaps described by Wesleyan theology ?

 

[OIC1965]

I do not disagree...but I think irresistible grace is the weak point.. not supported in scripture.

For those who advance God "Selects" some deny this requires Grace to be irresistible....yet I do not see how?

So you reject what the Bible says because you do not understand or see how it could be possible?

I do not understand how three persons can be one Being, but I accept and believe it because the Bible teaches it.

Lean not on your own understanding...

So which do you not believe?

Resistable grace

Or

Election?

 

[throughfaith]

Since when does the creation resist the Creator?

Isaiah 29: 16
You turn things around!
Shall the potter be considered as equal with the clay,
That what is made would say to its maker, “He did not make me”;
Or what is formed say to him who formed it, “He has no understanding”?

Romans 9:21-22
Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? ]What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?

Acts 7:51
“Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.” ?

 

[EleventhHour]

And faith is granted by God and a gift of God, (that can be resisted or rejected).

There are many Greek scholars that have stated otherwise concerning Ephesians 2:8 where faith is also part of the gift.
That aside again I see contradiction.

This is a "gift" that means it is received not rejected... since it is also tied to salvation.
Paul is not addressing people who have rejected the gift of salvation.

 

[OIC1965]

Interesting how slowly your adherence to more of the tenets are revealed.

When Jesus said “ you cannot hear my Word”, He used the word dunamai. Dunamai means power or ability. Literally you are not able to hear my word. Why? The hardness and deceitful ness of sin.

Now God can melt or break any heart. With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

 

[throughfaith]

So you reject what the Bible says because you do not understand or see how it could be possible?

I do not understand how three persons can be one Being, but I accept and believe it because the Bible teaches it.

Lean not on your own understanding...

So which do you not believe?

Resistable grace

Or

Election?

Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)

Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)

Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

 

[OIC1965]

There are many Greek scholars that have stated otherwise concerning Ephesians 2:8 where faith is also part of the gift.
That aside again I see contradiction.

This is a "gift" that means it is received not rejected... since it is also tied to salvation.
Paul is not addressing people you have rejected the gift of salvation.

Give me a name or two.

 

[EleventhHour]

So you reject what the Bible says because you do not understand or see how it could be possible?

I do not understand how three persons can be one Being, but I accept and believe it because the Bible teaches it.

Lean not on your own understanding...

So which do you not believe?

Resistable grace

Or

Election?

The Calvinist view of election>>> meaning God selects by means of irresistible grace is false.
One does not work without the other.

 

[EleventhHour]

Give me a name or two.

I think you are more than capable to find and read the views of Greek scholars who know Greek grammar.

 

[throughfaith]

When Jesus said “ you cannot hear my Word”, He used the word dunamai. Dunamai means power or ability. Literally you are not able to hear my word. Why? The hardness and deceitful ness of sin.

Now God can melt or break any heart. With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

We are also unable at times

When Jesus said “ you cannot hear my Word”, He used the word dunamai. Dunamai means power or ability. Literally you are not able to hear my word. Why? The hardness and deceitful ness of sin.

Now God can melt or break any heart. With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Because they had not learned of the Father . They did not recognise his word .

 

[OIC1965]

Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)

Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

A. Ubiquitious is a modifier that is not the word free. So are you confused or attempting to confuse.

B. Election to purpose. Correct. The purpose of God that we should be holy and blameless in love.

 

[throughfaith]

The Calvinist view of election>>> meaning God selects by means of irresistible grace is false.
One does not work without the other.

And it all starts with the T which even most Arminians agree upon . Thats why if you attack the T the heat will come from both of these positions.

 

[OIC1965]

I think you are more than capable to find and read the views of Greek scholars who know Greek grammar.

Thank you for sharing that you don’t hold that faith is a gift. Let everyone evaluate that statement independantly.

 

[EleventhHour]

Thank you for sharing that you don’t hold that faith is a gift. Let everyone evaluate that statement independantly.

There is a place where faith is a gift in scripture and it is stated very clearly... and your assumptions reveals even more about you?

Have you been here before under another moniker?

 

[OIC1965]

And it all starts with the T which even most Arminians agree upon . Thats why if you attack the T the heat will come from both of these positions.

How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom...

Who then can be saved?

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible

Not my words, Jesus’ words.

 

[OIC1965]

There is a place where faith is a gift in scripture and it is stated very clearly... and your assumptions reveals even more about you?

Have you been here before under another moniker?

No. Why do you suppose that?

 

[OIC1965]

We are also unable at times
Because they had not learned of the Father . They did not recognise his word .

Do a word study on the word “dunamai”.

Sin enslaves us. Grace sets us free.