Where is Jesus physically now?
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The reason why we have eyes is not actually for "seeing is believing" it is actually meant to teach us to see beyond what we actually see. If we only stop at seeing is believing like many atheist do, then you will only be able to understand a limited, flesh like world. Jesus came in the flesh to show us the way how to master our flesh. He came in the flesh so we would believe. But this never had to be. In Deut, there is a point where it is a commandment...yet it is frowned upon if we called upon such a time. That commandment was "we Israel want a king like the nations". Why was it that only until the time of Samuel, was a king anointed? Because asking for a "physical king" (i.e. a physical "saviour") is because Israel fell from such a lofty state. Moses never needed a physical king, he KNEW who G-d was as well as the Patriarchs. The only reason we ask for physical things, is because we lost our previous status and we lost our "sight of G-d".
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The commandment not to make "Graven Images" is to prevent you from thinking..."oh G-d is a statute? G-d is physical? Heavens look like clouds? Angels have wings?" Not one of us knows the "realm of heaven", but we can have "parables". This is why a book like Ezekiel is so heavy. Anyone, I just wanted to point this out so that we as Christian's do NOT get led astray by our eyes, or the misunderstanding of "parables and images". Our goal is to focus on "loving your neighbour as yourself" and every commandment is related to this. Therefore our focus should be on this, not where is this and that.
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Do you mean why do I suppose you´re trying to prove to us that God does not exist: because you said that there was no point in praying to him. And I did have the impression, that you were trying to confuse us rather than finding something out. However: if I was wrong here, I apologise!
Do you mean why I think is not a good argument? Let me give you an example. I do not now what you look like or where you are but I know you (or a bot) exist, because you have written in this thread.
Do you mean why I think is not a good argument? Let me give you an example. I do not now what you look like or where you are but I know you (or a bot) exist, because you have written in this thread.
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Then we are defiantly thinking and talking about a different God. You should check out YHWH He is awesome, and the ONLY true God. He is beyond time and space, He is all knowing and all powerful, He is Spirit and is everywhere and knows everything. He has absolutely no problem speaking with any of us made in His image even without a physical mouth, even if it's beyond our understanding. See but because of this disconnection this triune God was born into this world physically as Jesus. Jesus was born and lived His whole life never transgressing the Fathers will. See because Jesus was born of the Spirit of God and not of the flesh, not of Adam, Jesus was born as man was created to be, spiritually alive and connected to God. Because God love the world so much He showed His love like this, He gave His only Son over to be crucified by the rebels He blessed with everything, and that rejected Him anyway, to the point we killed His Son.
We nailed Him to the cross, and that's just the flesh, that's just what we could see, but on that cross the Father poured out the wrath due to us, He put our punishment on Him, and it says with this He was well pleased. We know about Jesus laying His life down, choosing to take the "hit", but very little do I ever hear the Fathers role in this mentioned. For us the Father was willing to exhaust all the wrath due to us out on His Sons head. His innocent Son who NEVER sinned with whom He was well pleased. The only innocent man to ever walk the earth, the only man that did not earn the wages of death, therefore death could not hold our King! Hallelujah!!!! This hits home hard to any of us with children we love.
See you should check out this God. After He resurrects your dead spirit and reconciles you yo Himself making you whole as you were created to be, opening your eyes in a way nothing else can and forever changing you you will see that imagining a Spirit speaking to you without a mouth is just plain laughable. That's my God.
We nailed Him to the cross, and that's just the flesh, that's just what we could see, but on that cross the Father poured out the wrath due to us, He put our punishment on Him, and it says with this He was well pleased. We know about Jesus laying His life down, choosing to take the "hit", but very little do I ever hear the Fathers role in this mentioned. For us the Father was willing to exhaust all the wrath due to us out on His Sons head. His innocent Son who NEVER sinned with whom He was well pleased. The only innocent man to ever walk the earth, the only man that did not earn the wages of death, therefore death could not hold our King! Hallelujah!!!! This hits home hard to any of us with children we love.
See you should check out this God. After He resurrects your dead spirit and reconciles you yo Himself making you whole as you were created to be, opening your eyes in a way nothing else can and forever changing you you will see that imagining a Spirit speaking to you without a mouth is just plain laughable. That's my God.
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@RoxanaOfPersia
Roxana, you seem frustrated...
You know, most of us have not been Christians from the cradle just gullibly believing what we were spoonfed, and a lot of us used to be agnostic and skeptic atheist as well, and all have strong reasons why we believe, although it's not always easy to explain these things in words. Do you find the Bible confusing? Frustrating? Are you trying to get that point across, in order to get it off your chest how difficult faith is for you? If so, go ahead... but no need to argue back and forth with people who are just trying to help and give you an answer to the best of their ability. Instead, just state your mind. How you feel. What brings you here today. Obviously, it troubled you enough to come talk with us although you said you didn't believe Jesus is real or hears prayers. And, this might come shockingly to you but you forgot most of us have been there...Your path is only your own to choose but you can find friends and support here, if you want to...
Roxana, you seem frustrated...
You know, most of us have not been Christians from the cradle just gullibly believing what we were spoonfed, and a lot of us used to be agnostic and skeptic atheist as well, and all have strong reasons why we believe, although it's not always easy to explain these things in words. Do you find the Bible confusing? Frustrating? Are you trying to get that point across, in order to get it off your chest how difficult faith is for you? If so, go ahead... but no need to argue back and forth with people who are just trying to help and give you an answer to the best of their ability. Instead, just state your mind. How you feel. What brings you here today. Obviously, it troubled you enough to come talk with us although you said you didn't believe Jesus is real or hears prayers. And, this might come shockingly to you but you forgot most of us have been there...Your path is only your own to choose but you can find friends and support here, if you want to...
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