Questions about Solomon's relationship with God

[MyrtleTrees]

no ones ever been different that Solomon look at his father David . He was Gods chosen king of Israel served God well with all his heart according to scripture but then he began to look at bathsjeba with lust , then he followed that to adultery , then he plotted and had Uriah her husband killed

in the book of Romans paul explains the human condition tells us why it is we can have a firm love for God and his law , but yet still we are conflicted by another law within us that is inherently opposed to that other law of God in man .

Solomon was like David , all were like Adams fallen nature, good present because of God , and evil present because of deception this is the condition of man And how Solomon could serve the lord and then turn

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man is incapable of righteousness that’s why we have to be healed by the lord and made right as we were before the knowledge of good and evil became part of our internal man

True - even God's people throughout the Bible and history, have not been free from the need to struggle against their flesh - as the book of Romans talks a lot about! However, I think it is good to know that though God is always willing to forgive sincere repentance of sin - that it is also possible for some to turn away from God and never return! And to guard against that danger by always praying and putting on the whole armor of God - Ephesians 6. There is no danger of turning away for the believer who has been tested and remained faithful to God - to the point where he is fully surrendered to God. But there were some kings of Judah who served God at first, but later turned completely away from Him - sad! In these modern times, when there is too much "easy believism" (saying the sinner's prayer of repentance - but followed by half-hearted obedience to God) - I think it's important for preachers to warn their hearers against falling away. Otherwise, they're in danger of being overly confident, like the Pharisees, and end up being "surprised goats" on Judgment day - Matthew 25 - Sheep and goats on judgment day - parable.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

What is most noted by the account of Solomon's life is that God called him "Jedediah" (God loves you) at his birth. God is faithful even when His children are not. God has many "prodigal" sons out in the world. God wanted Solomon to build His temple.....just Solomon.

At the end of his life, he penned these words in Ecclesiastes 2:11:
“When I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.”

If you read Ecclesiates you will see that Solomon was committed to God after all. The prodigal returned and for his Father it was as if he'd never left......God does not abandoned his children, they have been adopted as sons and none are UN-adopted.

I hadn't realized at first, that Solomon may have come to repentance - as someone pointed out to me here.

no ones ever been different that Solomon look at his father David . He was Gods chosen king of Israel served God well with all his heart according to scripture but then he began to look at bathsjeba with lust , then he followed that to adultery , then he plotted and had Uriah her husband killed

in the book of Romans paul explains the human condition tells us why it is we can have a firm love for God and his law , but yet still we are conflicted by another law within us that is inherently opposed to that other law of God in man .

Solomon was like David , all were like Adams fallen nature, good present because of God , and evil present because of deception this is the condition of man And how Solomon could serve the lord and then turn

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:18-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

man is incapable of righteousness that’s why we have to be healed by the lord and made right as we were before the knowledge of good and evil became part of our internal man

Yes, no Christian is capable of being righteous enough to satisfy God - without having to rely on Jesus' sacrifice for sins - in order for his sins to be forgiven. Since we all sin in daily life, though unintentionally if in a right heart and right relationship with God. We are counted "righteous' when we sincerely repent - and repentance is a daily necessity.

However, some willfully turn away from God, and never return to God. I know Christians differ on this subject. But that's what I see in the scriptures, in my studies on the subject. I see evidence of it in both the Old and the New Testaments. But this is no longer a danger when a person becomes fully surrendered to God, because He has made up his mind unwaveringly - that he plans to do this. And knows the importance of daily prayer for God's help and guidance.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

What is most noted by the account of Solomon's life is that God called him "Jedediah" (God loves you) at his birth. God is faithful even when His children are not. God has many "prodigal" sons out in the world. God wanted Solomon to build His temple.....just Solomon.

At the end of his life, he penned these words in Ecclesiastes 2:11:
“When I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.”

If you read Ecclesiates you will see that Solomon was committed to God after all. The prodigal returned and for his Father it was as if he'd never left......God does not abandoned his children, they have been adopted as sons and none are UN-adopted.[/QUOTE
I'm glad if Solomon came to full repentance to God, as you said! But there are have been others who did not in the scriptures. And the New Testament warns believers against falling away - so I see it as still possible for believers to fall away. Unless they put Christ first in their lives - are careful, and pray daily for God's help and guidance in life. There is no more danger of falling away after a believer has fully surrendered to God - and has been tested and found to be faithful through time (referring to the testings spoken of in the Sower parable).

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I hadn't realized at first, that Solomon may have come to repentance - as someone pointed out to me here.


Yes, no Christian is capable of being righteous enough to satisfy God - without having to rely on Jesus' sacrifice for sins - in order for his sins to be forgiven. Since we all sin in daily life, though unintentionally if in a right heart and right relationship with God. We are counted "righteous' when we sincerely repent - and repentance is a daily necessity.

However, some willfully turn away from God, and never return to God. I know Christians differ on this subject. But that's what I see in the scriptures, in my studies on the subject. I see evidence of it in both the Old and the New Testaments. But this is no longer a danger when a person becomes fully surrendered to God, because He has made up his mind unwaveringly - that he plans to do this. And knows the importance of daily prayer for God's help and guidance.

Yes sincere repentance is indeed needed , what exactly is sincere repentance ? and how does it come about ?

for instance let’s say I’m convinced that I’m “ fully surrendered to God “ but then one day I begin to study the gospel a bit and my perception begins to change

When I start hearing about praying for my enemies , forgiving all who have done me wrong , giving generously to the poor , not having judgement casting on others , turning the other cheek , rejoicing when people insult and exclude us because of the gospel ?

What do we do when we realize we’re just like the others who didn’t really understand what Gods will is ?

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

Sorry if it looked like my post looked like it was part of yours. I'll look at it tomorrow and try to change that. Yes, we don't agree quite the same on this subject, and it's common for Christians to sincerely not agree on this subject. Well, the thing to do then is to just pray that God helps the other to come to a better understanding of this subject. I've had to do a lot of that. And the Bible says it is good for Christians to pray for one another. We may not all understand what may be in error in another or exactly why - but we can know that it is always God's will to pray for God to help other Christians to understand Bible subjects as correctly as is possible. We should pray that for ourselves and also for others we meet up who also serve God - are children of God as we are.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

No - humanly speaking - an adopted child doesn't become unadopted. But spiritually - it does as that's a different matter. It is spiritual - not a fleshly matter.

I haven't found the post where I got mixed up in yours - I'll check some more tomorrow.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Yes, I know there are Christians like you who sincerely think it isn't possible to fall away. But I can't help it - that I see differently in the scriptures that it is possible. Though after a time of testing as in the Sower parable - IF one remains faithful to God after that - and is fully surrendered to God - there then is no longer danger of falling away. I feel very certain that I am safe from ever falling away, as I have reached that point, long ago. I wasn't always that way. But I'm sure I finally did become this way!

Some Christians think a Christian can't fall away, and that if they do - that it must mean that they never were true Christians to begin with. I'm aware of that. But it isn't what I see. Jesus said that before choosing to follow Christ, one must first be willing to pay the "cost" - or in other words, "be willing to take up their cross and follow Jesus." And Paul also said it is possible for some to fall away, and in fact, warned them against doing so. And explained also how to avoid it.

Luke 14:26-29

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
KJV

Acts 20:29-31

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears
KJV
If you know of where I posted something that looks like I wrote it when it was you - feel free to just erase it - it was just from me to you, anyhow.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

What I say to new believers I meet up with online is that as long as they remain faithful to God - they will not fall away and that God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able to handle, as the Bible says so. I tell them they will never fall away helplessly. They will only fall away if they choose to do so. And I explain that there are plenty of ways to avoid the danger of it happening that the Bible explains about. Like always repenting sincerely, praying and putting Christ first in one's life. It's a choice. No one falls away helplessly.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sorry if it looked like my post looked like it was part of yours. I'll look at it tomorrow and try to change that. Yes, we don't agree quite the same on this subject, and it's common for Christians to sincerely not agree on this subject. Well, the thing to do then is to just pray that God helps the other to come to a better understanding of this subject. I've had to do a lot of that. And the Bible says it is good for Christians to pray for one another. We may not all understand what may be in error in another or exactly why - but we can know that it is always God's will to pray for God to help other Christians to understand Bible subjects as correctly as is possible. We should pray that for ourselves and also for others we meet up who also serve God - are children of God as we are.

Myrtle Tree: God has used human relationships to amplify spiritual relationships for our edification. The parables of Jesus are about spiritual things that we understand by the humanity exampled in them. The bible isn't just for scholars. it is for all God's people no matter what their education. By using the familiar to our lives He brings 'word pictures' of spiritual things and He used those pictures of merchants, farmers, fishermen, et all to make His lessons understandable.

I can't imagine not believing that my salvation is secure. It is secure not because I did anything, it is secure because I am now covered with the blood of Christ which covers all sin. He paid the sin debt for His people.

Myrtle trees: Did you ever hear of an adopted child ever being UNADOPTED because they were naughty?

Once saved, always saved. The blood of Christ is not washed AWAY. The forgiveness sins were for all sin forever. After we are born again, God does not look on us as we are in our fleshly lives but He looks at us THROUGH the blood of Christ which covers every child adopted into God's great family. It is the blood that God accepts as penalty for our sin, not our works.

Your reference to the parable of the Sower and the Seed: The gospel is sown to everyone, sometimes it falls on unprepared hearts and eventually the person falls away (either through leaving the whole idea of Christianity or just falling into apostasy) but for the hearts that have been prepared (quickened by the Spirit) the gospel is not only the good news but is the entry to the narrow gate where God's truth waits.

By the way, your post to me looks like an extension of MY post. I want it noted that I did not post what you quoted since we are not in agreement on atonement.

shouldnt salvation be the way Jesus said it is ? Rather than a persons argument though ?

“And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s not different from what Paul says

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To serve the flesh is to serve the will and actions of sin

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

...And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21, 24‬ ‭

we can’t serve sin and be the spiritual children of God at the same time. When we begin hearing about repentance we should accept and believe so it gets into our hearts and minds to combat sins voice saying it doesn’t matter we should think these ways and let scripture form our understanding

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s about letting in the things Gods spirit is saying in scripture and forming our faith around it letting it correct our flawed views of God. Yielding as we did before Christ to sin freely , now we need to change that idea in us and begin to let Gods word form our opinion and thoughts

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Myrtle Tree, you have a kind heart. Nothing wrong in encouraging new believers to hang fast to their new life, but also remind them that they NEED to study and be teachable to truth. We might not agree on muchl but I like exchanging ideas with you.

Mentioning 'choice" gets my "free will" buttons pushed!
oh dear.......this has gone WAY off topic.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Pilgrimshope I don't ordinarily read long posts but you lucked out this time.

Yes, salvation should be like Jesus said: YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN
Do not confuse salvation with sanctification

 

[MyrtleTrees]

shouldnt salvation be the way Jesus said it is ? Rather than a persons argument though ?

“And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s not different from what Paul says

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To serve the flesh is to serve the will and actions of sin

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

...And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21, 24‬ ‭

we can’t serve sin and be the spiritual children of God at the same time. When we begin hearing about repentance we should accept and believe so it gets into our hearts and minds to combat sins voice saying it doesn’t matter we should think these ways and let scripture form our understanding

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s about letting in the things Gods spirit is saying in scripture and forming our faith around it letting it correct our flawed views of God. Yielding as we did before Christ to sin freely , now we need to change that idea in us and begin to let Gods word form our opinion and thoughts

It looks like I agree with you on all points here! Yes, I think the scriptures seem clear in that anyone wanting to become a follower of Christ - needs to be willing to yield themselves to the lordship of Christ - be willing to accept Him as Lord (God) and master of their life - first. This holds true even after they are converted to Christ and throughout their lives. There is no time in which they can afford to

 

[MyrtleTrees]

It looks like I agree with you on all points here! Yes, I think the scriptures seem clear in that anyone wanting to become a follower of Christ - needs to be willing to yield themselves to the lordship of Christ - be willing to accept Him as Lord (God) and master of their life - first. This holds true even after they are converted to Christ and throughout their lives. There is no time in which they can afford to be careless and lazy about submission to Christ in daily life. If they allow themselves to become careless like that - yes - there is the danger of falling away. Not a helpless falling away, at all! It's a choice! We all have to make the conscious choice each day, to either serve Christ or to serve the devil. This is not attempting to save ourselves through our own strength or merit, as some Christians accusingly say to those who emphasize the need for holy living in daily life. Though it is impossible to become "righteous' (in His sight) - without first responding affirmatively to His call to a righteous life - and salvation through Jesus.

The walk with God is not just an automatic process - it requires much diligence and effort on our parts too! Though of course, it can't go on at all without with Help in daily life. It is dangerous in some cases to think it is just an automatic process - as it is tempting for some (not all - I know, as some who believe this way are good, strong Christians) - who believe that way to sit back and take it easy - and assume all they need to do is wait for God to do things in their life.

2 Peter 3:14

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
KJV

Phil 2:12

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
KJV

Ps 111:10

10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever
KJV

 

[MyrtleTrees]

I respect your views here. But it isn't what I see in the scriptures.