When it comes right down to it, we are in a spiritual war. Are we not? And yes I believe that these invisible things can and do infiltrate the lives of many many individuals. For several years I had been praying for someone very close to me, and I was baffled that my prayers were not answered (so to speak). Two different people told me the same thing. This dear friend had a dark attachment. So I had to learn how to use the Lord’s Prayer example and emphasize deliver us from evil. Which included naming as many evils in the world that could have caused this. This attachment thrived on anger, rage and fear. Since the prayers began and still continue, the anger and rage are gone now. I am focusing on praying to God to banish the fear. To God be the Glory Now and Forever.
Where are all the demons?
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I rather admire the Devil; his mettle is very similar to the determination of a
US Navy SEAL.
I once heard a former SEAL explain that if they were to play hopscotch, it
would turn violent because they don't like to lose . . . at anything. In point of
fact, if they have to die in order to win; they'll do it: no regrets because in
their glossary "quitter" is a dirty word.
When a strong will to conquer is combined with a high IQ, you get a
formidable warrior that should never be taken lightly. The Devil is like Arnold
Swarzenegger's relentless movie character; the Terminator, of whom it is
said: feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear. It cannot be reasoned
with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever! -
until you are dead.
I also admire the Devil's cleverness to shift the blame from himself. For
example: I was initially taught over and over again to believe that the so
called fallen nature is passed down to children by their biological fathers.
Oh? then whence did Eve get it? She was made with human material taken
from Adam's body, but she was born before he tasted the fruit so Adam
couldn't pass the fallen nature on to her by genetic means.
For some time, I believed that the chemistry of the fruit caused Eve's
changes; but when she tasted it, nothing happened. Eve went right on just
as naked and unashamed as before.
FAQ: Well; if it wasn't the fruit, and it wasn't Adam, then by whom and/or
by what?
A: We're left with two options: either God did it to her or the Devil. Well, my
money is definitely on the Devil.
He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
The Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) --was apparently all set and ready
to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate the
forbidden fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked. As soon as Adam tasted
the fruit, they immediately set to work with the fig leaves.
FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?
A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into
the world, it would come via a lone male's actions, just as life and
righteousness would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions.
(Rom 5:12-21)
A: When does the Serpent do his lethal work on people. . . in the womb
or out of the womb?
A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)
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I rather admire the Devil; his mettle is very similar to the determination of a
US Navy SEAL.
I once heard a former SEAL explain that if they were to play hopscotch, it
would turn violent because they don't like to lose . . . at anything. In point of
fact, if they have to die in order to win; they'll do it: no regrets because in
their glossary "quitter" is a dirty word.
When a strong will to conquer is combined with a high IQ, you get a
formidable warrior that should never be taken lightly. The Devil is like Arnold
Swarzenegger's relentless movie character; the Terminator, of whom it is
said: feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor fear. It cannot be reasoned
with nor can it be bargained with, and it absolutely will not stop-- ever! -
until you are dead.
I also admire the Devil's cleverness to shift the blame from himself. For
example: I was initially taught over and over again to believe that the so
called fallen nature is passed down to children by their biological fathers.
Oh? then whence did Eve get it? She was made with human material taken
from Adam's body, but she was born before he tasted the fruit so Adam
couldn't pass the fallen nature on to her by genetic means.
For some time, I believed that the chemistry of the fruit caused Eve's
changes; but when she tasted it, nothing happened. Eve went right on just
as naked and unashamed as before.
FAQ: Well; if it wasn't the fruit, and it wasn't Adam, then by whom and/or
by what?
A: We're left with two options: either God did it to her or the Devil. Well, my
money is definitely on the Devil.
He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
The Serpent-- a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2) --was apparently all set and ready
to wield his power the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate the
forbidden fruit. It amazes me how quickly it worked. As soon as Adam tasted
the fruit, they immediately set to work with the fig leaves.
FAQ: Why wasn't Eve effected by the Serpent's power of death when she
tasted the forbidden fruit?
A: It was apparently God's decision that if sin and death were to come into
the world, it would come via a lone male's actions, just as life and
righteousness would later be offered to the world via a lone male's actions.
(Rom 5:12-21)
A: When does the Serpent do his lethal work on people. . . in the womb
or out of the womb?
A: Adam and Eve demonstrate that it can be done on adults, but I'm
guessing that for most of us it's in the womb. (Ps 51:5)
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1 Peter 5
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Demon or devil is walk around Christian, look for opportunity to eat them, lie to them and kill them.
Devil may use night club or porn movie to destroy you. Not always scary ghost.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Demon or devil is walk around Christian, look for opportunity to eat them, lie to them and kill them.
Devil may use night club or porn movie to destroy you. Not always scary ghost.
Scripture is the truth, and even in the gospels we are told there are demons. I have known two people who say they have seen people possessed of demons. One is the pastor who retired from my church. One day one of the women in a church where he was pastor came to the front with a group for prayer. One woman suddenly began speaking in a different voice, speaking against God. The other person I know is a nurse who told of being at a retreat where the group worked with a woman they said was possessed. As the demon came forward in her, her face changed and her voice changed. The demons claimed to be separate from the person they lived within.
M. Scott Peck was a doctor of psychology who wrote a book called People of the Lie. He had experienced evil people in his practice who he felt were possessed. Dr. Peck pioneered the idea in psychiatry that there is evil.
The Catholic Church used to assign some priests to work with demon possession. It is still possible to find men who work for the Lord in this way.
Because it is difficult to find if someone is mentally ill or possessed, it is difficult for anyone possessed to get help. There was such abuse of the idea, history even tells of innocent people being murdered legally because they were accused. People who work in this field insist their patients go to a competent doctor to check them for illness that could cause their symptoms.
M. Scott Peck was a doctor of psychology who wrote a book called People of the Lie. He had experienced evil people in his practice who he felt were possessed. Dr. Peck pioneered the idea in psychiatry that there is evil.
The Catholic Church used to assign some priests to work with demon possession. It is still possible to find men who work for the Lord in this way.
Because it is difficult to find if someone is mentally ill or possessed, it is difficult for anyone possessed to get help. There was such abuse of the idea, history even tells of innocent people being murdered legally because they were accused. People who work in this field insist their patients go to a competent doctor to check them for illness that could cause their symptoms.
I witnes more than 3 demon possessed, but the doctor may say it is depression because science not able to prove if there is demon.
Demon may not poses in the sense of make people crazy, but demon work around us
John 10
8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
I believe Jesus talk about what demon do to us in this verses.
It makes total sense. The more we are conformed to Christ the more they hate us. It's Him they hate. We are created in His image. They hate that image.No offense, but this makes no sense..
This is why the father passes sin down. It's not about biology it's about authority.
And we become more and more blind. Their deceptions are custom fit to the particular blindness of particular ages, cultures, and individuals. Sin causes blindness. Attachments to sin varies and so the blindness varies in accordance.
As love in mankind becomes cold, the heart is darker so deception is more sublime.
They’re in the democrat party slaughtering children in the womb and burning down cities.
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Adam's sin is not the same thing as the sin nature, a.k.a. the so-called fallen
nature.
The so-called fallen nature wasn't "passed down" to Eve because she was
already born before her daddy tasted the fruit.
Now as to Adam's sin, that's a horse of a different color. God accounted that
one trespass to Adam's entire posterity: past, present, and future; including
Eve.
In other words: Adam's trespass isn't passed down from one generation to
the next, rather; it was imputed to his entire posterity on the spot: that very
day; which is why the grammar of "all sinned" in Rom 5:12 is past tense.
Now, it was God who initiated the imputation of Adam's sin, but who
initiated the so-called fallen nature, a.k.a. the sin nature? You see, radical
changes to human nature don't just happen by themselves; there has to be
an impetus; and in this case, if it wasn't the chemistry of the fruit, and if it
wasn't God, then it had to be the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil.
He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
You know, I really have to hand it to the Devil; he's done a magnificent job
of covering his tracks. You would think that Christians are too well-informed
to be fooled by his cunning; but the reality is: Mr. Serpent knew the value of
propaganda before anybody was the first to coin the word. When an idea is
repeated often enough, widely enough, and loud enough by people held in
high regard; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without thought
or question.
_
Adam's sin is not the same thing as the sin nature, a.k.a. the so-called fallen
nature.
The so-called fallen nature wasn't "passed down" to Eve because she was
already born before her daddy tasted the fruit.
Now as to Adam's sin, that's a horse of a different color. God accounted that
one trespass to Adam's entire posterity: past, present, and future; including
Eve.
In other words: Adam's trespass isn't passed down from one generation to
the next, rather; it was imputed to his entire posterity on the spot: that very
day; which is why the grammar of "all sinned" in Rom 5:12 is past tense.
Now, it was God who initiated the imputation of Adam's sin, but who
initiated the so-called fallen nature, a.k.a. the sin nature? You see, radical
changes to human nature don't just happen by themselves; there has to be
an impetus; and in this case, if it wasn't the chemistry of the fruit, and if it
wasn't God, then it had to be the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil.
He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and the ability to tamper with the
human body and the human mind in ways not easily detected; e.g. Luke
13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.
You know, I really have to hand it to the Devil; he's done a magnificent job
of covering his tracks. You would think that Christians are too well-informed
to be fooled by his cunning; but the reality is: Mr. Serpent knew the value of
propaganda before anybody was the first to coin the word. When an idea is
repeated often enough, widely enough, and loud enough by people held in
high regard; pretty soon it's accepted by the masses as fact without thought
or question.
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In these last days they probably don't want to be noticed and continue to deceive in the spiritual realm. However, after the church is gone and during the time of God's wrath, at the sounding of the 5th trumpet, an angel will fall from heaven having the key to the Abyss and will open it, releasing myriads of demonic beings resembling locusts who will torment the people of the earth with tails and stings like scorpions. Their king is the angel of the Abyss, who is that beast who once was, now is not and yet will come up out of the Abyss. The people will want to die to get out of this torment, but won't be able to kill themselves.
After that, the 6th trumpet will sound and four evil angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates, will be released and will gather a demonic army of 200 million who will kill a third of the earths remaining population.
Once that beast comes up out of the Abyss, he will be the evil power behind the antichrist. He's also the same one who kills God's two witnesses
During those days, people will be seeing things they could never image
serial Killers Have an evil spirit , rapists have an evil spirit , to see the demonic presence in the world you have to look at men’s actions .
one thing about evil spirits is they have no power to physically act ina physical world. Thier place is to get into a man and have the man carry out thier will.
notice in the gospel how desperate they were to be inside a living body
“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding. So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.”
Matthew 8:29-32 KJV
there’s a physical realm and a spiritual realm without a spirit flesh is nothing without a body a spirit cannot act in the physical realm .
demons are spirit thier rvidence in the world of the natural is those who serve them evil in the world comes from a spirit and works through mankind
Hi Webers.Home! There are some profound changes happening to human life in Genesis huh? They are consequences of the bodies loss of immortality. God didn't intend for the human body to die. It was a obvious sign of distinction between man and the other animals. Because their bodies die There is a law that bodies that die are obedient to. The law of survival. Adam's body obeyed Adam's will unobstructed by a law of the flesh. His body enjoyed the immortality of his soul. The human body lost immortality and what made it different from all other animal flesh. The law of survival awakened in our flesh. All the involuntary movements of the body associated with survival began to move ADam and Eves bodies. The body informed them of their fallen state. The movements are embarrassing too and compelled them to cover their bodies. God warned us of these consequences. Our earthly lives weren't meant to end in death. Our earthly lives were meant to end in a lifting up body and soul without suffering separation from our children. God didn't have to initiate these things they are the consequences of the tragic transition from immortal life to life that ends in death.
Just so ya know: Most of what people THINK they know about Satan and demons comes from 'Dante's Inferno' by Dante or 'Paradisse Lost' by Milton. C. W. Lewis wrote a tongue in cheek book about this subject, The Screwtape Letters. However entertaiing these images may be, they are not scriptural.
Most arguments about them is specious and not edifying.
Most arguments about them is specious and not edifying.
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My guess is that the only Christians that have this world view of not hearing about demons being cast out of people today like they were in the bible do not fellowship with believers who believe the scriptures that believers will cast out demons and therefore cast out demons.
I suggest attending and Assemblies of God Church for a year and you will discover that all of the signs and spiritual gifts that occurred in the New Testament 1st Century church, healing, speaking in tongues, casting out devils do continue to occur among those that believe these scriptures.
When you fellowship with those who do not believe they happen today then of course they will not attempt to cast out a demon or even recognize one when it shows up. They will say that person is mental and leave them in that condition.
Demons are not mortal, the same demons that were teaching false doctrines in the first century are still around also. That is why Jesus called it the doctrine of Balaam and Jezebel, and the leaven of the Pharisees. We should be able to recognize it when we hear it even if it is disguised under new names, the same demons are behind it.
The reason you don't see it is because the people you are around or who are in your world of influence do not believe it. I have seen it for years in the Assemblies of God.
A favorite argument of those who do not believe in healing for today say that if it were real people would be going to the hospitals. They do. People who believe in healing in the name of Jesus go to hospitals all over this world and people in hospitals are healed every month as a result. Documented miracles happen and Doctors give glory to God. But you won't hear about it on the news because people don't believe. However, go visit the churches who have hospital visitation ministries and your world view will change from "why don't they go to hospitals" to "oh.. my bad.. they do"
I suggest attending and Assemblies of God Church for a year and you will discover that all of the signs and spiritual gifts that occurred in the New Testament 1st Century church, healing, speaking in tongues, casting out devils do continue to occur among those that believe these scriptures.
When you fellowship with those who do not believe they happen today then of course they will not attempt to cast out a demon or even recognize one when it shows up. They will say that person is mental and leave them in that condition.
Demons are not mortal, the same demons that were teaching false doctrines in the first century are still around also. That is why Jesus called it the doctrine of Balaam and Jezebel, and the leaven of the Pharisees. We should be able to recognize it when we hear it even if it is disguised under new names, the same demons are behind it.
The reason you don't see it is because the people you are around or who are in your world of influence do not believe it. I have seen it for years in the Assemblies of God.
A favorite argument of those who do not believe in healing for today say that if it were real people would be going to the hospitals. They do. People who believe in healing in the name of Jesus go to hospitals all over this world and people in hospitals are healed every month as a result. Documented miracles happen and Doctors give glory to God. But you won't hear about it on the news because people don't believe. However, go visit the churches who have hospital visitation ministries and your world view will change from "why don't they go to hospitals" to "oh.. my bad.. they do"
it’s strange that believers don’t believe in spiritual things because the entire Bible is about spiritual things . In fact God is a spirit himself . Our struggle is entirely spiritual in this world
“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:”
Ephesians 6:11-17 KJV
temptation is a spiritual thing that appeals to the flesh , we overcome it by the spirit , the word of God and our faith that produces.
the kingdom of God is a spiritual belief , it’s where we begin to recognize what’s actually happening in this world the spirit and flesh connection .
spirit is intended to
Live in flesh those two aspects create a living existing being heaven is spiritual earth is natural , mans flesh cane from earth , the spirit from heaven .
all through scripture these two aspects intersect again and again The heavens and the earth were torn apart the spirit and flesh by sin through man
And the reconciliation also of spirit and flesh , heaven and earth comes through the new man Christ Jesus and his truth
@trofimus
I am from Europe also. Demons exist everywhere Europe included. They are not invisible, they work through people very visibly when they don't want God in their life. Jesus saw spirits like the Legion, with His spiritual eyes and the spirit talked with the man's mouth. He didn't have to have seen some apparition.
Many Orthodox Christians told me about demon possession and demons leaving the person sometimes, not in the Catholic way (this cross compels thee...! exorcisms, etc), but people would be relieved in a church or monastery, stop shaking and growling and get back to their senses as the demons leave them.
Demons are enemies of God, those that are conquered are trampled by Jesus under His feet:
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
I am from Europe also. Demons exist everywhere Europe included. They are not invisible, they work through people very visibly when they don't want God in their life. Jesus saw spirits like the Legion, with His spiritual eyes and the spirit talked with the man's mouth. He didn't have to have seen some apparition.
Many Orthodox Christians told me about demon possession and demons leaving the person sometimes, not in the Catholic way (this cross compels thee...! exorcisms, etc), but people would be relieved in a church or monastery, stop shaking and growling and get back to their senses as the demons leave them.
Demons are enemies of God, those that are conquered are trampled by Jesus under His feet:
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
They are right here. Just because they don't dance around in broad daylight and entertain us does not mean they are not here. Same with ministering angels. Nothing spooky to be afraid about, but we must realize that there are things our eyes cannot see.