What do you think of Martial Arts?

[J-T]

I thank God then that Light is the fastest of all because satan is very crafty in his skill, overcoming even the strong ones

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[J-T]

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martial arts are not religious practices and they are not 'divination' and 'divination' isn't an invitation for demon-possession.
yoga is not a marital art, is not divination, and is not even remotely related to actual Indian martial arts

martial arts are formalized disciplines of training for readiness & skill in physical confrontation.

you are right that i'm still on page 4; i haven't finished reading all of the thread yet. but the more ignorant of the whole topic you sound -- although i must give you credit, you're making the thread interesting with your raving, as misguided as it may be

You have yet to cite any sources to back up your claims and to successfully refute me. Until you do so, it's an epic fail on your part. I have already demonstrated citing sources to prove what I have stated, and it is only the beginning. I intend to cite many more. Until you can prove otherwise, you're simply blowing hot air.

 

[J-T]

martial: of or having to do with war/combat/attack & defense
art: skill, technique and/or methodology of use/implementation

David says the LORD "trains his hands for war"

that is the very definition of a martial art, and i've given you several witnesses of it being taught by God Himself.

perhaps you, sir, are the one who needs to repent.

This is still a "no win" for you. Martial Arts is not taught in the Bible, and the external definitions that you provided have absolutely nothing to with, nor originate from The Holy Bible. Again, from the figments of your own imagination, you are wresting a single verse of scripture to teach false doctrine.

 

[J-T]

@SarahUmbreon, how would you feel if I went through all of your posts giving them a thumbs down everytime I saw something I didn't like? Is it possible that you can draft an opposing argument with cited sources instead?

 

[J-T]

@SoulWeaver, I knew all along that you are a witch, and of course, examining your >> Personal Blog << only substantiates this fact even more with your promotion of the Gnostic works of >> Meister Eckhart <<. Freemasonry is Satanism 101 and it is the ancient religion of blending religions. It is not untypical for a witch to masquerade as a Christian in Churches and/or Christian Forums. Would you like to share with the Christians in this Forum, who "Meister Eckhart" is and what the Satanic deceiver teaches?

 

[J-T]

"J-T said:
(NOTE: THIS IS A SEGMENT OF PARTIALLY QUOTED TEXT OF SOURCED INFORMATION FROM AN OCCULT WEBSITE TEACHING ORIGIN OF TAI CHI IN THE ANCIENT ANTICHRIST RELIGION OF TAOISM)
Tai chi training involves five elements, taolu (solo hand and weapons routines/forms), neigong and qigong (breathing, movement and awareness exercises and meditation), tuishou (response drills) and sanshou (self defense techniques)."

which part of this do you think is Satanic??

we're talking about a formalized discipline of making war. that's not innately evil: the LORD is a warrior ((Exodus 15:3))
the formalized discipline in question has 5 described elements:
training the hand to make war -- compare Psalm 144:1
training the body to make war -- compare Psalm 18:39
training the mind to make war -- compare Judges 3:1
training for quick reaction in war -- compare 2 Timothy 4:2
training to defend one's self in war -- compare Ephesians 6:13

all of this is what is prudent given the actual context of the topic. our battle is against spiritual forces, not physical ones, but the principles of physical fighting are not disparate from the principles of our spiritual warfare: study, self-control, sober mindfulness and awareness, being ready, being quick & strong in defense.

& none of this has anything to do with 'yoga' -- dude, J-T, good grief, please, pause, step back, and try to think clearly about what you are saying vs. what the topic of this thread is. martial discipline & formalized systems of training in it are not equivalent to Eastern mysticism and/or theologies.

What you wrote here is purely Satanic, as you have worked to link the information, that I sourced from the Occult websites to both establish and prove that Tai Chi originated from a temple of idols, in with your twisting to of the scriptures to false teach that God's holy Prophets and men of war were taught Martial Arts. What you have done is "wrest the scriptures" as you pervert the holy words of God to make them to mean something else than what is actually written. This is the act of teaching "doctrines of devils". Where did you learn to do this from?

P.S., as someone else pointed out in a previous post, there is a connection between Yoga and Martial Arts. I will add to that member's comment that it is a Satanic connection.

 

[posthuman]

@SoulWeaver, I knew all along that you are a witch, and of course, examining your >> Personal Blog << only substantiates this fact even more with your promotion of the Gnostic works of >> Meister Eckhart <<. Freemasonry is Satanism 101 and it is the ancient religion of blending religions. It is not untypical for a witch to masquerade as a Christian in Churches and/or Christian Forums. Would you like to share with the Christians in this Forum, who "Meister Eckhart" is and what the Satanic deceiver teaches?

you don't know her, at all.

 

[SoulWeaver]

@SoulWeaver, I knew all along that you are a witch, and of course, examining your >> Personal Blog << only substantiates this fact even more with your promotion of the Gnostic works of >> Meister Eckhart <<. Freemasonry is Satanism 101 and it is the ancient religion of blending religions. It is not untypical for a witch to masquerade as a Christian in Churches and/or Christian Forums. Would you like to share with the Christians in this Forum, who "Meister Eckhart" is and what the Satanic deceiver teaches?

Meister Eckhart was a Christian, what are you talking about?

 

[SarahUmbreon]

@SarahUmbreon, how would you feel if I went through all of your posts giving them a thumbs down everytime I saw something I didn't like? Is it possible that you can draft an opposing argument with cited sources instead?

*Teleports in*

I’m giving you thumbs down and disagrees because I legit don’t like your opinion and to also be honest, and excuse my French, but you act like an ass, a complete ass. Completely unbearable, you are rude and name calling. If I could, I would set this thread on fire, or if I was a Mod, I would delete it, this thread has gotten off topic and you are using it to attack everyone you don’t agree with.

*Sets the ENTIRE thread on fire before teleporting away*

I hope to see this thread burn, burn in the deepest and darkest depths ^_^

 

[posthuman]

Tai Chi originated from a temple of idols

if you care to look into the history, you'll find that no martial arts originate at the shaolin temples. they were brought there in order to be preserved.

a martial art is a formalized system of techniques for physical combat and/or defense. it is neither a religion nor a theology.
martial arts are in no way limited to China or Japan: mankind has been engaged in confrontation since at least Genesis 4, and the angels, before that.

 

[J-T]

you don't know her, at all.

What would you like to share about Meister Eckhart, as well as the identity, definition, and purpose of the "soul weaver"? Are you bright enough to provide any information whatsoever to prove me wrong? Clue: There are no sources you can cite that can prove me wrong.

 

[SoulWeaver]

@SoulWeaver, I knew all along that you are a witch, and of course, examining your >> Personal Blog << only substantiates this fact even more with your promotion of the Gnostic works of >> Meister Eckhart <<. Freemasonry is Satanism 101 and it is the ancient religion of blending religions. It is not untypical for a witch to masquerade as a Christian in Churches and/or Christian Forums. Would you like to share with the Christians in this Forum, who "Meister Eckhart" is and what the Satanic deceiver teaches?

Christian mysticism is not Gnosticism... I'll give a definition since you are completely ignorant.

Mysticism is theological attitude that God is beyond our understanding or anything man can teach in words, and encouraging seeking of direct intimate experience of God through our prayer life. This is in line with the Scripture ("No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.") It is available to every Christian, and been practiced for thousands of years by Christian monks beginning with Church Fathers and their practice of constant prayer or silence before God, and also many laymen Christians...

Gnosticism is, however, teaching that there is some inner "secret knowledge" intended only for special initiates into the mysteries. As such, it appears in pagan mystery religions.

 

[J-T]

*Teleports in*

I’m giving you thumbs down and disagrees because I legit don’t like your opinion and to also be honest, and excuse my French, but you act like an ass, a complete ass. Completely unbearable, you are rude and name calling. If I could, I would set this thread on fire, or if I was a Mod, I would delete it, this thread has gotten off topic and you are using it to attack everyone you don’t agree with.

*Sets the ENTIRE thread on fire before teleporting away*

I hope to see this thread burn, burn in the deepest and darkest depths ^_^

Just because you "disagree" does not mean that I am incorrect. It would be something if you could post something of substance with cited sources that might could refute me, but we both know that you cannot, ergo the only thing you can do is give the "thumbs down" and other adverse reactions because you simply refuse to acknowledge the truth.

 

[J-T]

Christian mysticism is not Gnosticism... I'll give a definition since you are completely ignorant.

Mysticism is theological attitude that God is beyond our understanding or anything man can teach, and encouraging seeking of direct intimate experience of God through our prayer life. This is in line with the Scripture ("No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.") It is available to every Christian, and been practiced for thousands of years by Christian monks beginning with Church Fathers and their practice of constant prayer or silence before God, and also many laymen Christians...

Gnosticism is, however, teaching that there is some inner "secret knowledge" intended only for special initiates into the mysteries.

Would you prefer that I cite from Masonic sources to both refute and expose your error? Of course Meister Eckhart was a Gnostic, and also a front runner for the Ecumunecal Movement. Aside from that, there is nothing Christian about "mysticism", not to mention that the Roman Catholic Church is the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon, and that none of it is Christian.

 

[Socreta93]

I went to a Christian high school and each semester most teachers would offer multiple elective classes. One of the teachers (he was a bible teacher) he taught an elective on jiu jitsu. I didn't take the class (I wish I did) but from what I know he just taught grappling and ground attacks for self defense. He obviously didn't go into so idol worshiping crap like some are saying ere. Learning grappling as a tool for self defense is a very nice tool to have whenever needed.

 

[SarahUmbreon]

Just because you "disagree" does not mean that I am incorrect. It would be something if you could post something of substance with cited sources that might could refute me, but we both know that you cannot, ergo the only thing you can do is give the "thumbs down" and other adverse reactions because you simply refuse to acknowledge the truth.

*Teleports back to the burning thread of hate*

You know what? See this thread burning? It’s burning all the hate here, it was peaceful until the hate came in. I don’t care if you are correct and I don’t hate you, someone already said it, but you are ignorant. You can be right and ignorant at the same time. We should wisely chose how to use the knowledge we have. You know what else, you can believe what you are saying as the truth, you know let me help you: YOU ARE RIGHT! ONLY YOU ARE PERFECT! CONGRATS!

...I don’t care. Hope my reinforcement to your own ego helped you. I don’t care if what you are saying is the truth. I just don’t care and you can’t make me. I’ve tried explaining and showing my viewpoints, but NONE OF THEM, have gotten through to you, and you ingore them all cause I don’t have “evidence”, that’s why I called you an ass. I know research is important, but opinions from the common folk can be just as important. Also, what about where your facts come from? Are you sure they are not opinions? Are you sure they are true? I know everything from the Bible is true, but the way a pastor/church understands scripture could actually be JUST OPINIONS, not facts. Everyone understands scripture differently, it’s all part of the human flaw. Calling someone else a witch? COME ON, that’s just rude, you are exactly the type of person that comes to my mind of “The type of Christians society hates”. I don’t want society to hate us any more than they already do, I know they will always, but the best way to show the gospel to others is through love and kindness, not judgmental hate.

...sigh, should we get a Mod to delete the thread? Cause all I see it’s causing pain and it’s burning, it’s burning so much.

*SarahUmbreon walks into the flames, and disappears, probably died*

 

[J-T]

if you care to look into the history, you'll find that no martial arts originate at the shaolin temples. they were brought there in order to be preserved.

a martial art is a formalized system of techniques for physical combat and/or defense. it is neither a religion nor a theology.
martial arts are in no way limited to China or Japan: mankind has been engaged in confrontation since at least Genesis 4, and the angels, before that.

Are you so blind that you can't see the hypocrisy of your own writings? Not only did Martial Arts originate from temples of idols, but from your own admission, "they were brought there in order to be preserved" in the temple of idols!

What part of there being no mention at all in The Holy Bible about men or angels being engaged in Martial Arts that you fail to grasp? Martial Arts did not originate from God, but only from the Devil via the Devil's temples of idols!

 

[J-T]

*Teleports back to the burning thread of hate*

You know what? See this thread burning? It’s burning all the hate here, it was peaceful until the hate came in. I don’t care if you are correct and I don’t hate you, someone already said it, but you are ignorant. You can be right and ignorant at the same time. We should wisely chose how to use the knowledge we have. You know what else, you can believe what you are saying as the truth, you know let me help you: YOU ARE RIGHT! ONLY YOU ARE PERFECT! CONGRATS!

...I don’t care. Hope my reinforcement to your own ego helped you. I don’t care if what you are saying is the truth. I just don’t care and you can’t make me. I’ve tried explaining and showing my viewpoints, but NONE OF THEM, have gotten through to you, and you ingore them all cause I don’t have “evidence”, that’s why I called you an ass. I know research is important, but opinions from the common folk can be just as important. Also, what about where your facts come from? Are you sure they are not opinions? Are you sure they are true? I know everything from the Bible is true, but the way a pastor/church understands scripture could actually be JUST OPINIONS, not facts. Everyone understands scripture differently, it’s all part of the human flaw. Calling someone else a witch? COME ON, that’s just rude, you are exactly the type of person that comes to my mind of “The type of Christians society hates”. I don’t want society to hate us any more than they already do, I know they will always, but the best way to show the gospel to others is through love and kindness, not judgmental hate.

...sigh, should we get a Mod to delete the thread? Cause all I see it’s causing pain and it’s burning, it’s burning so much.

*SarahUmbreon walks into the flames, and disappears, probably died*

Please show me, anywhere in this thread where I said or wrote that I hated anyone. Refuting Yoga and Martial Arts originating from the Devil and Temples of idols, along with exposing a Witch has nothing to do with hatred. Did you take the time to check the sources over? Did you read the cited descriptions and definitions? It would be better that you present an argument with cited sources to prove different, rather than be ruled by your emotions and be frustrated by the facts. All you are doing is throwing around accustions without any sources or cited material to back up your claims.

 

[SarahUmbreon]

Please show me, anywhere in this thread where I said or wrote that I hated anyone. Refuting Yoga and Martial Arts originating from the Devil and Temples of idols, along with exposing a Witch has nothing to do with hatred. Did you take the time to check the sources over? Did you read the cited descriptions and definitions? It would be better that you present an argument with cited sources to prove different, rather than be ruled by your emotions and be frustrated by the facts. All you are doing is throwing around accustions without any sources or cited material to back up your claims.

I read your posts, was not going to click your links, as your posts clearly stated your opinions formed on the links you provided. I even remember you mentioned in a different thread how you believe videogame industry is evil. I have read your posts, and I can chose to not agree. I am a facts over emotion person, but when you have so many different people telling you how they use martial arts not as religion, it’s like you are ignoring them. Simply because you stand so firm against martial arts, and anything else cause your take on Disney stuff sneaking in pornography really sounds like you a conspiracy theorist.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Would you prefer that I cite from Masonic sources to both refute and expose your error? Of course Meister Eckhart was a Gnostic, and also a front runner for the Ecumunecal Movement. Aside from that, there is nothing Christian about "mysticism", not to mention that the Roman Catholic Church is the Great Whore of Mystery Babylon, and that none of it is Christian.

Freemasons don't practice Christian prayer life nor seek God (at least not those on high levels), they believe in pagan gods, secret mystery knowledge and power and commit pagan rituals and witchcraft. They do not give their life to Jesus, they seek power in this world. They believe that there are "secret meanings" to some things in the Bible, only available to the initiates. This is gnosticism, the understanding of mystery religions, and not mysticism.

Mysticism is belief that God is beyond our mental faculties and theology explanations that only manage to point at God, but God can truly only be known in one's spirit directly. I do believe this. When a Christian loses the perspective of this truth, all that is left is empty Bible thumping and arguments. I want to focus my life on constantly seeking the presence of God and to be full of the Spirit. I want my face to shine with God's peace and radiate the presence of Jesus, like Moses' face did radiate God's glory when he spent time with God.

Rejection of Christian mysticism is also fairly recent in the church, and is what evangelicals did in the Anglosphere here recently during about last 200 years (vs 2000 years of Christian mysticism as practiced by some of the most devoted believers, and not only Catholics but also the Orthodox and the Early Church that predates both). You seriously need to drop kneejerk reactions, and look up the history of the church and Desert Fathers, and put things into perspective. You're really obsessed with freemasonry. Freemasons also praise some Bible characters, but that doesn't mean that these Bible characters were freemasons, and they also invent sick myths about them, like Hiram Abiff, and mix the truth with pagan fictions. Their wicked understanding twists even what is good and true. Why would I want to hear what they have to say.