Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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throughfaith said:
I think I've engaged on each point repeatedly. As yet I've not heard a reasonable response or any context given with the responses . Also snarky comments mainly .
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there has been many responses, you do not agree with them, it does not mean they were not reasonable, they just do not fit your perception

thats what happens in discussions, to keep repeating, as I have said, over and over again and expecting different results is like beating your head against the wall, and also makes you appear as if you think you are someone great, and peop,e should listen to you because you...

thats turns people off my friend,
 
throughfaith said:
Again.
Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)

Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)

There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
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Your problem is that you state some truths but then think their veracity negates other things that are true. And other things you say are flat wrong.

For example, the golden chain has predestination BEFORE justification. So if you think predestination is on those already saved, you have saved people who are not yet justified.

I don’t have time now, but I will speak on the rest tommorow
 
EleventhHour said:
I would state "convinces" is a stretch... that is heading into "irresistible grace" territory.
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John 16:8. the greek word means convict or reprove. Of sin, righteousness judgement. Plus He’s the Power of our testimony. Acts 1:8 and in Revelation. The Spirit and bride say come. More verses later
 
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John146 said:
Convinces? What do you mean? Scripture?
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Let’s go back to draw for a moment. In John6, what phrase is used synonymously with draw.

Ie. Every man that has ————and ————- of the Father comes to me.

Does the Holy Spirit do the same? John 16:8
 
OIC1965 said:
When you share the gospel and someone believes, did you convince them or the Spirit.

Acts 1:8
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Actually, in this passage it was Paul using the word of God.

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
 
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John146 said:
Actually, in this passage it was Paul using the word of God.

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
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Acts 1:8. He mightily convinced the Jews. Because He was empowered by the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:8
 
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EleventhHour said:
I would state "convinces" is a stretch... that is heading into "irresistible grace" territory.
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Again wih the calvinism thinking

my parents and pastor and Sunday schools convinced me that he Gospel was real, it was not irresistible anything, it just gave me confidence that the gospel and god were trustworthy
 
if your not convinced, you will never have faith, period.
 
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