If I’m already persuaded, there is no need to choose to believe. I already believe, having been persuaded. Pretty simple.
Now if you mean TRUST, we’ll said. You choose to TRUST.
As to the last sentence...Chooses what?
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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If I’m already persuaded, there is no need to choose to believe. I already believe, having been persuaded. Pretty simple.
Now if you mean TRUST, we’ll said. You choose to TRUST.
As to the last sentence...Chooses what?
You've no idea what Paul is saying in the book of Romans . You have a philosophy about 2 verses in Romans .So Romans 8:29-30 is philosophy?
So since foreknowledge is impersonal in your opinion, is predestination, calling, justification, and glorification impersonal too? Or do you think Paul was mixing and confusing categories?
Nobody was “in Christ” before the foundation of the world. Nobody was “in Christ” before they were placed in Christ during their lifetime. (Eph. 1:4; 2:12; Rom. 12:5; 6:3: 16:7; 1 Cor. 12:13, 27)
So since foreknow is an impersonal foreknowledge, if thats what you claim, is predestination, call, justification, and glorification impersonal too.
God is pleased to save those that believe, not cause belief in those he saves. (1 Cor. 1:21; Rom. 10:9-10)
Free gift unto justification of life to all men must be received. It’s not “universalism” unless irresistible grace supplants the biblical requirement to receive. (Rom. 5:11-18; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)
“Foreknow” is being known by God in the sense of Gal. 4:9 after conversion and before glorification as if already glorified. It does not refer to any time prior to conversion. (Gal. 4:8-9; Rom. 8:29-30; 1 Pet. 1:2)
Who said they were? Foreknown and in Christ are not the same thing, Hoss.
The first two paragraphs are irrelevant, because I do not deny the truth of them.
Where does the Bible say foreknow is after salvation.
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I am defining belief.
No one can determine to put his or her faith in something unless they are persuaded... you cannot force yourself to believe apart from being convinced of its truth.
Either they are persuaded as to a proposition or they retain doubt.
Doubt precludes faith (Romans 14:23; Jas. 1:6, 7).
A single doubt about the gospel offer will keep one from saving faith.
I agree you cannot put your faith in something unless you are persuaded. Might the Holy Spirit have something to do with this persuasion that you speak of?
John 16.8
But The Holy Spirit is the only member of the trinity who doesn’t draw in the New Testament. (Jn. 6:44; 12:32)
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I already know that... btw ... but you know Calvin could not make up his mind about stuff and contradicted himself often.
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Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
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these are your views. But you have not proven them, and we disagree with them
Just because you post them 30 times does not mean people are going to change their views, you need to do more than this
I think I've engaged on each point repeatedly. As yet I've not heard a reasonable response or any context given with the responses . Also snarky comments mainly .