Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep

But that has nothing to do with gods promises to Israel concerning the land of canaan

Please let’s stick on topic
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I have just told you which "ISRAEL" God is promising the land of Canaan to, and it is the Israel that is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, it is not just the nation of Israel. All Israel is not of Israel.
 
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throughfaith said:
Chosen in him for what ?( eph 1)
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For representing all of the elect, Rom 9:11, to show that his election might stand. God choose an elect people in him to be holy and without blame, and Christ made them holy and without blame, by his death on the cross.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
For representing all of the elect, Rom 9:11, to show that his election might stand. God choose an elect people in him to be holy and without blame, and Christ made them holy and without blame, by his death on the cross.
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You get all that from Ephesians 1.4 ? wow 👏
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
I think that you are trying too hard to make the scriptures fit your false doctrine. This is Paul including himself with the saints at Ephesus and the faithful IN JESUS CHRIST. This is the "US" in verse 4.
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Agreed, but the us is not the context. Verse 3 is the context.
 
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Duskey said:
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men resulting in justification of life.

I’m sorry my friend, I don’t understand what you don’t understand. Everyone who believes in Jesus is justified, but not everyone believes in Him. Be that as it may, the opportunity to believe in Him and be justified exists.
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I agree with all that. I just said that’s not what the verse was about. Maybe you meant Romans 5:17?
 
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Magenta said:
Please get it straight: there have been those here who have repeatedly claimed they did nothing, they had no choice in the matter of their salvation. I do not say such ridiculous things but to share information with others and try to set the record straight.
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Were they talking about salvation or regeneration? Calvinists and reformed hold somewhat of a distinction between the two. Am I correct on this, CV5.
 
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I have just told you which "ISRAEL" God is promising the land of Canaan to, and it is the Israel that is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, it is not just the nation of Israel. All Israel is not of Israel.
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Nope
wrong Covenant
 
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EleventhHour said:
Believing is the passive result of being persuaded something is true.
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Ok, so there you go, Magenta. They didn’t do anything to be saved. They were entirely passive. Thanks for clearing that up, Eleventh Hour.;)
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Gods foreknowledge is simply saying God knows the end from the beginning . It’s the form of prophecy he always spoke forth and then things happened . He said “Jesus would be born of a virgin and his foreknowledge came to pass “

he said Israel would reject and crucify him and his foreknowledge came to pass . So then he said “ whoever repents and believes the gospel will be saved “ and his foreknowledge will come to pass”

if we believe the gospel , that is proof of our election and adoption into Gods kingdom Whoever is saved in the end , was elected because they heard and believed Gods Word ofmsalvation when it came
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So did God personally foreknow us? If yes, what does that mean?
 
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Believing is the passive result of being persuaded something is true.
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If faith is entirely passive as you say, then we were passive in salvation, because we are saved by faith.

So is that your position?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ok, so there you go, Magenta. They didn’t do anything to be saved. They were entirely passive. Thanks for clearing that up, Eleventh Hour.;)
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It’s the work of god we believe in the one he sent.....Jesus John 6
 
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OIC1965 said:
Ok, so there you go, Magenta. They didn’t do anything to be saved. They were entirely passive. Thanks for clearing that up, Eleventh Hour.;)
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Seems your style have changed in a short time.

I did not state they did not do anything...I stated what belief is.

Tell me can you make a choice to believe something you know is not true?
 
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OIC1965 said:
Is it a passive belief?
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It’s an active faith, a faith that is not idle, and a faith that recieves the gift of life and the change that comes with it It is also a faith that has results (works)
 
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OIC1965 said:
Is it a passive belief? No choice involved? Or is choosing passive? I’m trying to follow eleventh’s argument.
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Can you choose to believe something if you are not convinced it is true?
 
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EleventhHour said:
Can you choose to believe something if you are not convinced it is true?
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I never had to choose to believe something that I already believed. Kind of redundant

Now acting on it... that’s different.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Seems your style have changed in a short time.

I did not state they did not do anything...I stated what belief is.

Tell me can you make a choice to believe something you know is not true?
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Magenta said. Calvinists say they didn’t do anything to be saved.

I said. Not even believe?

You said. Belief is passive
 
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OIC1965 said:
I never had to choose to believe something that I already believed. Kind of redundant

Now acting on it... that’s different.
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You cannot choose to believe..... unless one has to be persuaded/convinced First.

Belief is the result of the being persuaded and then one chooses, one cannot choose prior to be persuaded.

it is pretty simple.
 
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