Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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throughfaith said:
A person in christ cannot be unsealed . The philosophy about omniscience ( including the heretical ' open theism) makes for interesting conversations, but I'd rather stick to the scriptures.
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The Bible teaches Omniscience.

How does God prophecy things before they come to pass?

You either have to say foreknowledge or Divine causation, or both.

I say it depends. It could be foreknowledge or God could cause it. Depends on the prophecy.
 
throughfaith said:
And how

How does God knowing we would believe, change anything ? Why is that important ?
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Ask God when you stand before Him on the day of judgement.. God decided to reveal it in the Bible.. So He must believe it is important otherwise he would not have revealed it..

God knows the Beginning and the End.. That assures us that God cannot be surprised or out played.. Gods like a Chess player who knows each and every move the other player will ever make.. It is impossible to defeat God because He foreknows everything that is going to happen before it happens.. That's why prophecy exists.. Accurate foretelling of future events NEEDS foreknowledge of those events.. When we read the Book of Revelation we see how detailed Gods foreknowledge of the end times are.. Gods foreknowledge allows us to be assured that God wins.. :giggle:
 
throughfaith said:
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I'm an evangelist , I speak the truth in love to every cult , false religion and everyone who will listen . We should all hate false doctrine.
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Your a Calvin hater. And your eyes are blinded to what people say because you are continually looking through a Calvin lens
An evangelist preached the good news of Jesus he does not go around bashing other people’s beliefs
 
OIC1965 said:
They have vastly different concepts of depravity

Calvinist. Regeneration before faith

Arminian- faith before regeneration

It seems to me, the two happen somewhat simultaneously.

Calvinist- unconditional election

Arminian. Conditional election.

Me- I don’t claim to understand how election works.
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Nope both Armins and calvs agree on the T .
Both agree that ' Election ' has to do with salvation . Conditional v unconditional. But still the same error on what Elect means .
This comes in the 4th century with Augustine .

Calv = regeneration precede faith . Because of the T , U ,L so they have to have the I and the P

Armins because of the T have to have Previenint grace . but differ on the I .
Rather its called partial regeneration . Enough to make a decision or reject .
Because of the T they also need ' Election ' to be a choosing prior , but based on foreseen faith . Forseen faith is the Calvinst s best argument against Arminism ,which they will go for ever time . Meanwhile bible believers are not caught up in this in house squabble.
 
Adstar said:
Ask God when you stand before Him on the day of judgement.. God decided to reveal it in the Bible.. So He must believe it is important otherwise he would not have revealed it..

God knows the Beginning and the End.. That assures us that God cannot be surprised or out played.. Gods like a Chess player who knows each and every move the other player will ever make.. It is impossible to defeat God because He foreknows everything that is going to happen before it happens.. That's why prophecy exists.. Accurate foretelling of future events NEEDS foreknowledge of those events.. When we read the Book of Revelation we see how detailed Gods foreknowledge of the end times are.. Gods foreknowledge allows us to be assured that God wins.. :giggle:
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Thats philosophy, which can be interesting over a coffee. But I'm more interested in what the bible says . Especially reguarding salvation .
 
OIC1965 said:
The Bible teaches Omniscience.

How does God prophecy things before they come to pass?

You either have to say foreknowledge or Divine causation, or both.

I say it depends. It could be foreknowledge or God could cause it. Depends on the prophecy.
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Again , what does the bible say ? Its an interesting philosophical thought . But we have to go with what it says and not our philosophy on and about God .
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I have yet to hear a Calvinist say god forced them.
So I would suggest we stray from adding words to their belief system
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Calvinists are human.. They may well not understand the doctrines that Calvinism is based upon.. The definitions of Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace are as i posted and they state clearly that it is all 100% Gods doing.. His will is irresistible according to calvinism.. So according to their doctrine they are indeed forced to accept the will of God and be saved.. They have no say in it..
 
OIC1965 said:
It doesn’t say “chose a method”.

it says “chose YOU
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And it does not say, chose you to be in him...

The word according, takes us back to the previous verse as the context. That's the English language. The context is not us, but in him, in Christ. What is found in Christ? The spiritual blessings.
 
OIC1965 said:
You can be a sheep, a part of His body, a Living Stone, a joint heir, a fellow worker with Him, oh the things we’re called to be!
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I may be mistaken, but haven't read where Paul calls the body of Christ sheep. The nation of Israel were lost sheep. They had no ruler, no king. They were under the authority of other nations for hundreds of years.
 
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OIC1965 said:
They have vastly different concepts of depravity

Calvinist. Regeneration before faith

Arminian- faith before regeneration

It seems to me, the two happen somewhat simultaneously.

Calvinist- unconditional election

Arminian. Conditional election.

Me- I don’t claim to understand how election works.
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Amen their believes are apposed to each other
if course there are many beliefs. Nt just those two
 
John146 said:
I may be mistaken, but haven't read where Paul calls the body of Christ sheep. The nation of Israel were lost sheep. They had no ruler, no king. They were under the authority of other nations for hundreds of years.
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I haven’t read where the apostle John calls the church the Body. So what?
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Your a Calvin hater. And your eyes are blinded to what people say because you are continually looking through a Calvin lens
An evangelist preached the good news of Jesus he does not go around bashing other people’s beliefs
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Didn't Jesus speak out strongly against false teachers and false teaching ? And Paul ? And Peter ? And ......
 
John146 said:
I may be mistaken, but haven't read where Paul calls the body of Christ sheep. The nation of Israel were lost sheep. They had no ruler, no king. They were under the authority of other nations for hundreds of years.
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John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Are not the other sheep ( us )...Gentiles...
...xox...
 
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