Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2
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Yes, but Romans 8:10 is talking about those who are Called. And calling in that place precedes justification.
Call, faith, justify in that order.
You have not given a scripture that states this. I don’t care about extrapolation, I want a direct reference.
Check Galatians 1:15. How did God call Paul from His mother’s womb if He didn’t know Paul?
Again, Romans 8. God has to have prior knowledge (foreknowledge) of a man before He predestines the man.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
At what point in time does God know a man as a son?
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
In order for God to know a man, the man must believe upon Jesus Christ and become a son.
Romans 8 is comforting those that are suffering . So Paul is saying that in light of this momentarily affliction, that these sufferings are not worthy to be compared with the glory to come . Thats the whole point of Romans 8 . He is comforting them about their certain Guaranteed future of the redemption of the body . Even the creation is waiting for this . Paul is not ramdomly giving a reminder that they were chosen to be converted . They are already converted .
Every time you see the word Predestination. I'm not talking about the Calvinistic philosophical version of the term Predestination, that has hijacked the term ,so that no one can think straight because of this. No I'm talking about what Paul is saying about what we are guaranteed to and the Holy Spirit IS the Guarantee.
Eph 1
5Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of !!!!! children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, ( Yet future to happen to sons . We become a son through the new birth )
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8
13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Eph 1.13
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I agree
but Calvinism does not even need to
Be mentioned. Unless a Calvinist is sharing their view and you share a view that disagrees. Then you discuss it
That is not what has been happening here
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15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. God knew us intimately before we were born, chose us before we were born, and predestined us before we were born.
This much is certain. The only question is conditional or unconditional election?
I leave that question alone, because I don’t feel I understand election well enough to take a side. I get the feeling that neither position adequately defines election. I just chalk it up as “waiting for further light on the matter”.