How old is our creation really?

[Skovand]

Genesis 1 is our true working and starting point to all truth if we love Truth .. It begins ''in the Beginning'' .. Your not believing it has no effect on the truth ..

What scientific point are you making? So far nothing we are talking about is about cosmology but picking up well after the formation of the universe and after abiogenesis to the time of life already being here and it’s implications on the age of the earth based off of evolution or not and based off of contextual analysis of genesis 1-2 on if it’s literal or not.

As for peer reviewed scientific evidence from cited sources wrote and overlooked by experts with phds in the subject meaning nothing to you is just your own lack of scientific acceptance.

Nothing I’m saying implies any man is my god. Nothing at all.

 

[bojack]

What scientific point are you making? So far nothing we are talking about is about cosmology but picking up well after the formation of the universe and after abiogenesis to the time of life already being here and it’s implications on the age of the earth based off of evolution or not and based off of contextual analysis of genesis 1-2 on if it’s literal or not.

As for peer reviewed scientific evidence from cited sources wrote and overlooked by experts with phds in the subject meaning nothing to you is just your own lack of scientific acceptance.

Nothing I’m saying implies any man is my god. Nothing at all.

Who's funding those ''peer review'' scientists you follow, who are they and who are working for ? Who was paying Mary Schweitzer, who was she working for ? I posted a video with Mary's boss J Horner saying he would not carbon date the soft dino tissue because he was afraid of what creationists could do with the information from the test results .. They could always keep their politically correct influences and agendas quiet until Schweitzer let the cat out of the bag that they are all FOS and there you have it .... If you are a Christian then you will be grounded in the Word and it applies in all phases of your life to question everything .. The Word demands you ask questions and not blindly follow any thing that comes along .. 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Jesus genealogy is clear , there are no apes or worms listed any where in it .. You added all that to it and teach it ..

Why do you insist on insulting apes ? They perform their created function and purpose .. Do you know your purpose for being ? Do you perform it .. We were created to know and glorify God and to know the mind of Christ

Do you remember my post reminding how often the Big Bang Theory has changed and each time as the new irrefutable absolute truth , MY BIG OLE BUTT, LOLOL and SMH .. Creation science and Christian scientists obviously have valid scientific proofs because you have given no answers .. '' there is a way that seems right to a man but the end thereof leads to death'' ..


27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

 

[Fundamental]

The difference is that my argument is actually in the fossil record. Just go get any single book on evolution or read through any single evolutionary journal. Common descent is what it’s all about. It’s not my fault that you literally disagree with 99.99%+ of what science and scientists teach and believe. I’m not able to teach you what your school system should have taught you over 6+ years from middle school through high school.

`There is no difference! You have read some books and repeat what they say, but have you ever investigated the fossil record yourself with your own eyes? How much there is really reconstructed based on assumptions?
This creationist got fed up with excuses “go to a museum” or “it’s in the fossil record” and did investigate the theory and did study it. I read books those but that did not stop me.

I don’t disagree only, I am giving you arguments. Such as the DNA with chimps, you ignore those posts. I also said that the fossil record is more consistent with the Bible then with science.
Those different human like bones in the ground are explained in Genesis 6. Some none earthly figures interbreeded with humans. This got whiped out by the flood.

There were ancient cultures that depicted dinosaurs well before they ever dog one up.
I did study and asked if you also got the thesis on the evolution on horse hoves, again you did not answer.
Leave your assumuptions about me right where they belong, I heard those riddles of evolutionists thousand times before.

 

[bojack]

What scientific point are you making? So far nothing we are talking about is about cosmology but picking up well after the formation of the universe and after abiogenesis to the time of life already being here and it’s implications on the age of the earth based off of evolution or not and based off of contextual analysis of genesis 1-2 on if it’s literal or not.

As for peer reviewed scientific evidence from cited sources wrote and overlooked by experts with phds in the subject meaning nothing to you is just your own lack of scientific acceptance.

Nothing I’m saying implies any man is my god. Nothing at all.

Cosmology ? Tell me, is God omnipresent and does He inhabit His creation ? .. Of course He does , so when He said let there be light , where in any part of creation did it not immediately light up ? And when He created the heavenly bodies to take over the light did it happen ? And the dependability of days, nights, seasons, is the most remarkable thing more dependable than any clock since creation .. Super Novas, galaxy spiral arms still intact , Jupiter giving off more heat than it takes in screams young earth creation ..
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[Fundamental]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/loi/14209101

https://www.journals.elsevier.com/journal-of-human-evolution

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/evolutionary-human-sciences


That’s three scientific peer reviewed journals and the last two are specifically on solely human evolution. This last link directs you to Harvard’s Department of Human Evolution with multiple secondary links to journals, talks, and ways to contact professors.

https://heb.fas.harvard.edu/news

Can you debate in your own words ? Which research indicates evolution by mutation? Where is it in the fossil record? Let’s say the horse hoves, are you up to debate that without shielding yourself behind professors you simply repeat? As if we dont know professors and did not question them in real life?
You think your country is the only one having universities?

 

[Fundamental]

The fact is we don't know. It says in Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth and it was without form and void. Nowhere does it say how long it was without form and void. It could have been a year, 10 years, 100 years, a 1,000 years. All we can do is say that from Adam and Eve it is so many years old.

But the main cause is I think; Why would God create mankind out of all these previous species before us?
Why would He take roughly 500 million years to generate a human being out of fish?

Maybe science sees marks where life begins, but wrongfully asumes that species gradually mutated to the next. Fish and birds were created apart from eachother. Mankind did not evolve out of fish. The only Ancestor we share with chimps is GOD.

 

[bojack]

The fact is we don't know. It says in Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth and it was without form and void. Nowhere does it say how long it was without form and void. It could have been a year, 10 years, 100 years, a 1,000 years. All we can do is say that from Adam and Eve it is so many years old.

He had to create the heavens first to have a place to put it and He obviously created the earth before He could form it and shape it .. Any builder knows first you make a place to put it then your material before you build it, lol

 

[Fundamental]

Why are you so easily blinded when God tells us different , I know why, because I was an unbeliever once and know both sides .. But now I don't believe any of the godless crap .. And can you think of any better way to separate the sheep from the disgusting goats ?

I understand. I was once sitting on the edge of my seat with science too. I could go wild when a rover was sent to Mars.
I studied more in science then in the Bible. Once I started to know our Bible more and more, it struck me like lightning and it humbled me instantly before God.

 

[Fundamental]

What scientific point are you making? So far nothing we are talking about is about cosmology but picking up well after the formation of the universe and after abiogenesis to the time of life already being here and it’s implications on the age of the earth based off of evolution or not and based off of contextual analysis of genesis 1-2 on if it’s literal or not.

As for peer reviewed scientific evidence from cited sources wrote and overlooked by experts with phds in the subject meaning nothing to you is just your own lack of scientific acceptance.

Nothing I’m saying implies any man is my god. Nothing at all.

All knowledge we gain from our worldy position comes from the father of all lies.
Abiogenesis is utter pseudoscience, be honest about it... It’s true...

That is the problem with evolutionists. They use pseudoscience to back up their theory and point at creationists when doing the same in the HOLY Bible. Let us stick with scientific facts and leave wild hypothesis out of it please.

 

[bojack]

I understand. I was once sitting on the edge of my seat with science too. I could go wild when a rover was sent to Mars.
I studied more in science then in the Bible. Once I started to know our Bible more and more, it struck me like lightning and it humbled me instantly before God.

I remember the moon landing (which I don't doubt if there wasn't two, one in a studio and one actual) I remember Armstrong when he stepped on the moon he stepped and said ''it's solid'' but transmission was cut back to Houston .. The significance was that those large landing pods were designed and anticipated to sit on top of billions of years of accumulated space dust , possibly deep enough to sink the lander down deep out of sight .. But he said ''it's solid'' which means the moon had about 3/8 of an inch of dust accumulation equaling about 6000 yrs of accumulation .. No wind, no rain erosion , no atmosphere to burn up meteors , just lay where it lands forever ..

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

What scientific point are you making? So far nothing we are talking about is about cosmology but picking up well after the formation of the universe and after abiogenesis to the time of life already being here and it’s implications on the age of the earth based off of evolution or not and based off of contextual analysis of genesis 1-2 on if it’s literal or not.

As for peer reviewed scientific evidence from cited sources wrote and overlooked by experts with phds in the subject meaning nothing to you is just your own lack of scientific acceptance.

Nothing I’m saying implies any man is my god. Nothing at all.

A Phd in the world is just another idiot considering God's knowledge. He is the author of all. Satan is the corrupter of all. If you even entertain the theories by atheists you are against God. If you are an atheist then you believe that from chaos order was banged into existence. A bang will destroy... unless it was by the hand of God.

 

[bojack]

I remember the moon landing (which I don't doubt if there wasn't two, one in a studio and one actual) I remember Armstrong when he stepped on the moon he stepped and said ''it's solid'' but transmission was cut back to Houston .. The significance was that those large landing pods were designed and anticipated to sit on top of billions of years of accumulated space dust , possibly deep enough to sink the lander down deep out of sight .. But he said ''it's solid'' which means the moon had about 3/8 of an inch of dust accumulation equaling about 6000 yrs of accumulation .. No wind, no rain erosion , no atmosphere to burn up meteors , just lay where it lands forever ..

He said ''it's solid'' right after his ''one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind'' statement

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

He said ''it's solid'' right after his ''one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind'' statement

Never knew that

 

[bojack]

Never knew that

The info is hard to find these days, Lot's of stuff is hard to find now days .. But the lander pod size design says a lot about what they were prepared for .

 

[UnoiAmarah]

He had to create the heavens first to have a place to put it and He obviously created the earth before He could form it and shape it

So what exactly are those 'heavens'? And what substance are they made out of?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

So what exactly are those 'heavens'? And what substance are they made out of?

Well in my opinion it is all guess work...... unless you know of somebody that visited these planets and came back with information.

Scientist are speculating based on visual information they can gather. There is no way to say they are right or wrong.

 

[Skovand]

A Phd in the world is just another idiot considering God's knowledge. He is the author of all. Satan is the corrupter of all. If you even entertain the theories by atheists you are against God. If you are an atheist then you believe that from chaos order was banged into existence. A bang will destroy... unless it was by the hand of God.

Again a statement that is not accurate and makes no sense.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Well in my opinion it is all guess work...... unless you know of somebody that visited these planets and came back with information.

I think you're right, and I think the same holds true with writings of Genesis, unless the Comforter is teaching someone the scriptures of then it's just speculation.

Scientist are speculating based on visual information they can gather. There is no way to say they are right or wrong.

It is kinda like that claim that Neil Armstrong said "It;s solid", not that is makes any difference unless one is using it as data as part of the reason for a claim, otherwise it makes no difference if the said 'it's solid' or if he said "Yes, the surface is fine and powdery". I wouldn't say he did say 'it's solid' without more data although one might consider the source sufficient but if your are the right track the data tends to get less difficult to completely squash erroneous facts.

Except for the time of "That's one small step" and the transmission that follows - "Yes, the surface is fine and powdery" - there are no differences greater than 2 seconds between Heiko's analysis and the times then given in the ALSJ. I have repeated Heiko's analysis and confirm his results to within 2 seconds. I​

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html

However the reason I asked about what he thought space was formed from was to see if he has ever got a straight answer from those who dis the scriptures of Genesis.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Again a statement that is not accurate and makes no sense.

Nothing against you personally but I have argued with atheists in the past regarding all these matters and even studied certain things to try and debunk them. What I found was that no matter what, we will not change (myself included).

An atheist will believe that order can come into existence from nothing and a Christian will follow the Bible version. In the end if you look at the Bible as a whole and see how accurate prophecies are, I have no reason why I should doubt God's word against mankind's logic.

 

[bojack]

So what exactly are those 'heavens'? And what substance are they made out of?

Heaven seems to be places created for to be occupied, spirit, physical and both ... What do you think heavens are or heaven is ?
What substance ? good question .. What substance is our soul and spirit made of ?

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
9 Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.