Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[mustaphadrink]

I wonder why people turn on anyone who speaks to them of scripture unless it is one of their favorite verses. People turned on Christ, I feel blessed.

It is always the same, too. They accuse the one speaking of scripture as judging them. They have to change the words of scripture the poster used into them personally being accused although there is never a word of judging them, then they turn it into awful judgments of the one speaking of scripture.

No idea what you are talking about.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My posts are often accused of stating that sinless perfection can be achieved, and that is a false accusation of my posts, at least. I post in favor of obedience to the law and that the Lord asks us to repent. Other posters use that to accuse me of "perfection" even though there is no hint of perfection in those posts. Posters often object to my speaking of obedience as a post accusing them of something, even though people are not even hinted at, they only state that scripture tells us to obey.

Even one of this site's administrators has stated that I think I know better than scripture. When I defended myself he made the statement that he didn't believe me.

There seems to be a wave of disagreement to wanting to obey the law. When we speak of this there is always scripture given explaining we are not perfect. There seems to be a barrier between understanding the difference between wanting to obey and actually obeying. The fact that we can't has nothing to do with what we want to do.

You posted AGAINST those who think we can basically come to sinlessness.

when you post like that, your going to get those who come back like your saying, because in effect your posting for sinlessness.

no one has a problem with obedience. What we have a problem with is those trying to put us back under law. Rejecting Grace, focusing on obedience rather than service, speaking of law not love. And putting all these things as requirements to earn or maintain salvation.

i am teaching this week in 1 cor 8. Eating meat sacrificed to idols, it’s amazing when you look at scripture it speaks of those who are week in faith. It’s no those who are legalistic focusing on rules. It is those focusing on rules. It’s those pushing serving one day vs ever day (the saterday/Sunday debate) those who think we need to obstain from meat who eat only vegetables, those tho think we have to obey all these rules, instead of those out loving and serving The world so we can bring sinners to salvation, basically those who live and teach others to continue to live in fear, in the jews of pauls day, it would be those afraid to leave the law, in today’s view, it Would be those afraid to leave the rules and tradition of their particular churches, yet they talk like they do not live in fear but of how much they love god proven by all the rules they follow.

 

[Jackson123]

no one has a problem with obedience. What we have a problem with is those trying to put us back under law. Rejecting Grace, focusing on obedience rather than service, speaking of law not love. And putting all these things as requirements to earn or maintain salvation.

I don't know what do you mean by focusing oN obidient rather than service

Is service against obodience or service part of obidience

Is obidience wrong

 

[lenna]

If I ever in any way did any of the awful things Lenna accuses me of, you certainly have my apologies.

I so hope people will read my posts and not think such evil of me, but consider and test my thoughts about scripture.

let's take another look at what you said Blik

your op...post 1 these are your words:

The church today says that the Sabbath was cancelled. As proof they tell of Mary’s discovery of the risen Christ on Sunday. It doesn’t make sense that the time of a discovery should change what God tells us He created on the seventh day, or that a time of discovering something establishes when it happened, but that is the way they think.

who is the church ? all who do not follow your Sabbath worship. continuing on, same post, here are some other 'gems' (for the full context, read her op)

The church tells us that God knew he make a mistake
I guess they think that God is like them
The church goes on and on about the mistakes the Lord has made
Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.

the entire post should be read for the full effect of her extreme bias against all who do not follow her form of 'obedience', which is not obedience, but rather a mashup of both testaments, with anything in the new that teaches the old is passed away, as not important

con't in next post

 

[lenna]

Blik's post 11

The true church with it's members who know the Lord is Holy and praise and believe Him, who only listen to the Holy Spirit and search for truth is not the church I am speaking of. It is the doctrines that are accepted as truth but are not truth that I am speaking of, and yes. I am very concerned. I am hoping that posts will prove me wrong about false doctrines.

and there we have it. Blik is the true church according to her but the rest of us attract demons as she states in her op (post 1)

now go ahead to post 241, (with plenty of other inflammatory remarks from Blik that anyone can find for themselves since she wishes us to read them)

in this post another member asks her What “church” are you talking about?, referring to the original post #1

and here is the response to that question in post 249, straight from Blik

Certainly not the true church of the Lord, or even of the earthly organized church that truly believes in all scripture. But I speak of the churches like six of the churches told of in Revelation that were not pleasing to God.

please note she refers only to Hebrew Roots/Sabbath keepers as the true church. the rest of us, in case you don't remember her exact words, go to a church that attracts demons. why? because we attend on Sunday

so even though Blik likes to claim innocence from any sort of statement that would indicate she is neutral and only wishes to worship on Saturday, we plainly see that Blik actually has an agenda and has made it plainer than in previous threads she has started wherein she explains about her persuasions, that her views are actually extreme and she believes the only true church is the one she partakes of

I only wonder why she is allowed to continue this obvious heresy and go on and on and on about it

 

[lenna]

As Christians we are each responsible for living in a way that is as pleasing to God as we are capable of. That means that we stand together, without attacking each other. I think it is Okay to discuss what we think scripture means, and within the church that needs to be without attacking and certainly not false accusations. Love is acceptance.

Administration of the site accused me of not believing scripture because I don't read scripture telling of the discovery of Christ arisen as telling us the exact time he rose. When I defended myself, it was met with and x. I don't think such things are working for the Lord. Whether these scripture tell of the time Christ rose or not is of so much less importance than knowing it is through Christ we are saved, but false accusations are not good to have in the church.

actually, most of us are saying you are not believing scripture. you refuse to acknowledge most of the NT unless you twist it to mean something different than what it actually says.

stop whining about the responses to your posts. no one is attacking you. people are simply showing you how very wrong you are and you perceive that as an attack

above, in 2 posts, I went over some, only some because there is so much, of what you believe. it is shameful and you are finally really explaining what you believe...I have never seen you say before that you believe the church of the New Testament is demonic

I don't why you are allowed to continue with this blasphemy

 

[CS1]

My posts are often accused of stating that sinless perfection can be achieved, and that is a false accusation of my posts, at least. I post in favor of obedience to the law and that the Lord asks us to repent. Other posters use that to accuse me of "perfection" even though there is no hint of perfection in those posts. Posters often object to my speaking of obedience as a post accusing them of something, even though people are not even hinted at, they only state that scripture tells us to obey.

Even one of this site's administrators has stated that I think I know better than scripture. When I defended myself he made the statement that he didn't believe me.

There seems to be a wave of disagreement to wanting to obey the law. When we speak of this there is always scripture given explaining we are not perfect. There seems to be a barrier between understanding the difference between wanting to obey and actually obeying. The fact that we can't has nothing to do with what we want to do.

I did not see any site administrator speak on your thread or post here. If you are referring to me, I am not an administrator . There are far more talented people who do that.

 

[CS1]

If you follow my posts you know that scripture matters to me more than earthly life itself, your sarcasm is not appreciated.

If you followed my posts you would also know I do not see any scripture telling us when Christ arose at a certain time, only when it was discovered he rose. You are assuming and adding to scripture that Christ rose on Sunday.

You would also know, if you read my posts, that the only reason I post about this is the I do think it matters that we take scripture seriously and not add to it or take from it, as adding that Christ rose on a certain day instead of going by scripture that it was discovered he rose on a certain day.

following your post I see you do not even see the power in the resurrection. You can keep the sabbath all you like but doing so without Christ Profits you nothing. Zero. The word of God says Jesus rose on the " First day of the week". That would be Sunday. Jews did not call it that but it was that day of the week. I am sorry you disagree with all the Gospel that state this truth.And you seem to know Better than them.

 

[garee]

I would suggest to study to learn the difference between shadows ceremonial law that preach the gospel to the world of unbelief. And the continue substance of rest (sabbath) today 24 ---7. When or if we hear the voice and do not harden our hearts. . . we have entered it.

Making the word rest in into a time sensitive word used in ceremonial shadows is where many error. All translation have errored in that way replacing the word "rest" with "week" .A Greek word ebdomada "week" that was not even coined to much later.

All translations must of supported the SDA . The Young's literal translated it once correctly (Mathew 28:1) then follows the others 9 times as other translations. Destroying the foundation of the word rest (sabbath) a non time sensitive word.

The ceremonial sabbath (shadow, in which each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. ) is a two day event . Saturday and Sunday. First and the last.

 

[Lion222]

1 John 1:8. If we say we HAVE NO SIN we decieve ourselves and there IS NO TRUTH IN US

It is those who think sinless perfection can be achieved who are deceived my friend

John 1:5 Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness.

John Makes is clear in detail:
John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that Jesus was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Jesus is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin is of the devil because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Everyone who has been fathered by God does not practice sin because God’s seed resides in him, and thus he is not able to sin because he has been fathered by God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed

1 John 1:8 Is one verse in opposition to the context, contrary to the rest of Johns teachings, difficult to translate on which the whole doctrine of sinful perfection is built up as a false Gospel.

John even gives a warning not to be deceived by it, the false righteousness of those who practice unrighteousness.

There are a many many bible verses that stand in direct opposition to this sinful perfection ideology, this unrighteous righteousness.
So why is just this one verse taken above all the rest?
Because the heart of man is deceitfully wicked above all else.
Because mankind wants to be justified in their continued sin.
So they choose not to be wrong like the publican but wrong like the pharisee.
A pharisee whose sin did not affect his righteousness in his own eyes, because he was not looking up at a holy God.

Jesus says Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Paul says you must walk according to the Spirit and if you do you will not sin.
Peter says enough already Choose to suffer and cease from sin and live the rest of your life for Gods Glory.
John says everyone who resides in Him does not sin.
Jesus says take up your cross and follow me or you can not be mine.

Salvation is a gift!
A Gift you must lay hold of and make use of.
If not you neglect this great salvation.
You waste the opportunity like the man with just one coin who said he feared the Lord but in fact did not.

If your hope is in Jesus you start purifying yourself just as Jesus is pure.
If God is your father, that is your proof, that and the love or those who are you brothers and sisters doing likewise.

Our part is to walk in the light, be exposed in our sinful motives and confess them.
To dig deep withing ourselves and build our house upon the rock of the holy spirit of Christ Jesus
To get real and be true.
Knowing ourselves - what we really believe based on how we live - Justification, judging yourself rightly
Knowing God - Where we really stand in relation to who God is - Salvation is knowing God
Knowing each other - all the body functioning together - Healing and building one another up for the fullness of stature in Christ Jesus

Will we have the mind of Christ Jesus and choose suffer in our bodies rather then sin even to the point of a cross, if God considers us worthy to suffer like that.
Will we choose to stop glorifying sin in our bodies but take up our cross and cease from sin so we can live the rest of our lives for the glory of God?
You do it because you believe and hope in the coming king, because you have given yourself by your confession to the lordship of Jesus Christ.

Welcome to the Gospel.
John 1:5 Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John 1:5 Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we do not bear the guilt of sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness.

John Makes is clear in detail:
John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; indeed, sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that Jesus was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 Everyone who resides in him does not sin; everyone who sins has neither seen him nor known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Jesus is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin is of the devil because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Everyone who has been fathered by God does not practice sin because God’s seed resides in him, and thus he is not able to sin because he has been fathered by God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are revealed

1 John 1:8 Is one verse in opposition to the context, contrary to the rest of Johns teachings, difficult to translate on which the whole doctrine of sinful perfection is built up as a false Gospel.

John even gives a warning not to be deceived by it, the false righteousness of those who practice unrighteousness.

There are a many many bible verses that stand in direct opposition to this sinful perfection ideology, this unrighteous righteousness.
So why is just this one verse taken above all the rest?
Because the heart of man is deceitfully wicked above all else.
Because mankind wants to be justified in their continued sin.
So they choose not to be wrong like the publican but wrong like the pharisee.
A pharisee whose sin did not affect his righteousness in his own eyes, because he was not looking up at a holy God.

Jesus says Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Paul says you must walk according to the Spirit and if you do you will not sin.
Peter says enough already Choose to suffer and cease from sin and live the rest of your life for Gods Glory.
John says everyone who resides in Him does not sin.
Jesus says take up your cross and follow me or you can not be mine.

Salvation is a gift!
A Gift you must lay hold of and make use of.
If not you neglect this great salvation.
You waste the opportunity like the man with just one coin who said he feared the Lord but in fact did not.

If your hope is in Jesus you start purifying yourself just as Jesus is pure.
If God is your father, that is your proof, that and the love or those who are you brothers and sisters doing likewise.

Our part is to walk in the light, be exposed in our sinful motives and confess them.
To dig deep withing ourselves and build our house upon the rock of the holy spirit of Christ Jesus
To get real and be true.
Knowing ourselves - what we really believe based on how we live - Justification, judging yourself rightly
Knowing God - Where we really stand in relation to who God is - Salvation is knowing God
Knowing each other - all the body functioning together - Healing and building one another up for the fullness of stature in Christ Jesus

Will we have the mind of Christ Jesus and choose suffer in our bodies rather then sin even to the point of a cross, if God considers us worthy to suffer like that.
Will we choose to stop glorifying sin in our bodies but take up our cross and cease from sin so we can live the rest of our lives for the glory of God?
You do it because you believe and hope in the coming king, because you have given yourself by your confession to the lordship of Jesus Christ.

Welcome to the Gospel.
John 1:5 Now this is the gospel message we have heard from him and announce to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him and yet keep on walking in the darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth.

Bear the guilt is not in the origional text, you need to find a different bible

he said, if we claim to be without sin we decieve ourselves,

he follows this up,by saying when we sin we have an advocate.

nice try though

 

[lenna]

Bear the guilt is not in the origional text, you need to find a different bible

he said, if we claim to be without sin we decieve ourselves,

he follows this up,by saying when we sin we have an advocate.

nice try though

fixed it for ya LOL!

what translation is that? we can't bear the guilt. we would die

 

[eternally-gratefull]

fixed it for ya LOL!

what translation is that? we can't bear the guilt. we would die

its Sad some think they can

 

[JBaptist]

Straw man.

The Sabbath has existed since God created for six days and rested on the seventh.
The Sabbath start at the end of a day. Our days begin at sun rise and ends the next sun rise.
Then, the days of the ancient Hebrews, a days started and sunset and ended the next sunset.
When the angel caused the quake that rolled away the rock and Jesus rose, it was the day following the Sabbath. Mattew 28:1 states, "After Shabbat, Sabbath, as the next day was dawning, Miryam , Mary, of Magdala and the other an angel of Adonai, God, came down from heaven, rolled away the stone and sat on it.

This is from the Complete Jewish Bible, version. The translations are from the Hebrew customs and times. It is the most accurate that I've seen.

 

[JBaptist]

Yeshua, Jesus did not came to abolish theTorah, (the law) but to complete it.
The old ways of sacrifice no longer exist. That was done away with, only that. The Shabbat, Sabbath, remains to be remembered for Adonai, God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh.


The Shabbat, Sabbath, is to honor Adonai, God, and his creation. In the Jewish traditions, there are different types of Shabbat, Sabbath. That's just a for your information. The Jewish religious tradition is very complicated.

The Jewish sacrifices that were performed originally, were for accidental transgressions.
There weren't any forms of sacrifice for sins that done purposely. The sacrifices only covered sins that were not intentional. There were no forms of atonement for intentional sin. Yeshua, Jesus, was and is, the only sacrifice that covers intentional sin. This is the Jewish custom of sacrifice that no one in the church teaches and makes clear why Yeshua, Jesus is so important. However, one must also repent and turn from their sin as Yeshua, Jesus as stated in the Bible. It is not enough to be covered by His sacrifice. One must turn and sin no more and obey Adonai, God's word willingly and freely. "Take up your cross and follow Me", He said.

This is from the Complete Jewish Bible, version. The translations are from the Hebrew customs and times. It is the most accurate that I've seen.

 

[Blik]

You posted AGAINST those who think we can basically come to sinlessness.

when you post like that, your going to get those who come back like your saying, because in effect your posting for sinlessness.

no one has a problem with obedience. What we have a problem with is those trying to put us back under law. Rejecting Grace, focusing on obedience rather than service, speaking of law not love. And putting all these things as requirements to earn or maintain salvation.

i am teaching this week in 1 cor 8. Eating meat sacrificed to idols, it’s amazing when you look at scripture it speaks of those who are week in faith. It’s no those who are legalistic focusing on rules. It is those focusing on rules. It’s those pushing serving one day vs ever day (the saterday/Sunday debate) those who think we need to obstain from meat who eat only vegetables, those tho think we have to obey all these rules, instead of those out loving and serving The world so we can bring sinners to salvation, basically those who live and teach others to continue to live in fear, in the jews of pauls day, it would be those afraid to leave the law, in today’s view, it Would be those afraid to leave the rules and tradition of their particular churches, yet they talk like they do not live in fear but of how much they love god proven by all the rules they follow.

May I please discuss this post without being accused of judging? You have just as much right to accept the lord within in your way as I have in mine.

That said, I wonder if you think it is possible for us to be perfect? My thoughts are that we are asked to want to be perfect, that is repentance, but being human we must accept we can't be and always need Christ.

Don't you think it is OK for Christians to discuss the Sabbath? To me the discussion comes down to whether we accept scripture as it is written for in Colossians we are told the actual day is not that important.

I agree that the law is not based on rules. I think we can obey the rules and still be disobedient for rules without love amounts to nothing as we are told in Corinthians. But to follow love always results in following the rules, and by learning the rules we learn how to express love.

It seems to me that the power of the Lord is shown in transforming the way a person lives. And what is evident in the way they live is seen in love resulting in their following the rules of love given in scripture. The important part is eternal life, but transformed lives are what we see on this earth.

 

[Blik]

Yeshua, Jesus did not came to abolish theTorah, (the law) but to complete it.
The old ways of sacrifice no longer exist. That was done away with, only that. The Shabbat, Sabbath, remains to be remembered for Adonai, God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh.


The Shabbat, Sabbath, is to honor Adonai, God, and his creation. In the Jewish traditions, there are different types of Shabbat, Sabbath. That's just a for your information. The Jewish religious tradition is very complicated.

The Jewish sacrifices that were performed originally, were for accidental transgressions.
There weren't any forms of sacrifice for sins that done purposely. The sacrifices only covered sins that were not intentional. There were no forms of atonement for intentional sin. Yeshua, Jesus, was and is, the only sacrifice that covers intentional sin. This is the Jewish custom of sacrifice that no one in the church teaches and makes clear why Yeshua, Jesus is so important. However, one must also repent and turn from their sin as Yeshua, Jesus as stated in the Bible. It is not enough to be covered by His sacrifice. One must turn and sin no more and obey Adonai, God's word willingly and freely. "Take up your cross and follow Me", He said.

This is from the Complete Jewish Bible, version. The translations are from the Hebrew customs and times. It is the most accurate that I've seen.

Leviticus 16:34 and this shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins.”

 

[Blik]

The Sabbath has existed since God created for six days and rested on the seventh.
The Sabbath start at the end of a day. Our days begin at sun rise and ends the next sun rise.
Then, the days of the ancient Hebrews, a days started and sunset and ended the next sunset.
When the angel caused the quake that rolled away the rock and Jesus rose, it was the day following the Sabbath. Mattew 28:1 states, "After Shabbat, Sabbath, as the next day was dawning, Miryam , Mary, of Magdala and the other an angel of Adonai, God, came down from heaven, rolled away the stone and sat on it.

This is from the Complete Jewish Bible, version. The translations are from the Hebrew customs and times. It is the most accurate that I've seen.

I don't know why it seems so important to all of the church to say that scripture tells them Christ rose on Sunday and that means that God cancelled what God established at creation. In Colossians we are told that what day we celebrate the Sabbath is not that important, but most Christians get up in fighting arms at the idea God didn't change it. They agree that we are to listen to scripture and then deny scripture!!

In this scripture of Matthews we are told that when the stone rolled away, Christ's body was gone. Christians tell us that Christ was not gone then, it established WHEN he left. And some Christians are willing to declare anyone who tells of what this scripture says is of the devil and disobey God so they may judge people, not scripture.

Most Christians who believe in the exactness of scripture go to church on Sunday, as the church has decreed and only some mention the Sabbath. But those who believe God cancelled the Sabbath lose all "do not judge" from the Lord at the mention of these scriptures. It is a mystery.

The true church of the Lord accepts people who believe either way, and asks us to accept each other.

 

[soggykitten]

Bear the guilt is not in the origional text, you need to find a different bible

he said, if we claim to be without sin we decieve ourselves,

he follows this up,by saying when we sin we have an advocate.

nice try though

Perhaps you should consider their version source is the NET Bible. And then realize, that is as close to the original source as we who have no access to the autographs are able to get. And the passage is accurate because that original text is from whence subsequent versions derive the wording, if we say we do not have sin we deceive ourselves. As just one example of a nuanced wording change to the same message as that contained in the NET version.

 

[soggykitten]

I don't know why it seems so important to all of the church to say that scripture tells them Christ rose on Sunday and that means that God cancelled what God established at creation. In Colossians we are told that what day we celebrate the Sabbath is not that important, but most Christians get up in fighting arms at the idea God didn't change it. They agree that we are to listen to scripture and then deny scripture!!

In this scripture of Matthews we are told that when the stone rolled away, Christ's body was gone. Christians tell us that Christ was not gone then, it established WHEN he left. And some Christians are willing to declare anyone who tells of what this scripture says is of the devil and disobey God so they may judge people, not scripture.

Most Christians who believe in the exactness of scripture go to church on Sunday, as the church has decreed and only some mention the Sabbath. But those who believe God cancelled the Sabbath lose all "do not judge" from the Lord at the mention of these scriptures. It is a mystery.

The true church of the Lord accepts people who believe either way, and asks us to accept each other.

Truly.
To insist the Bible states what is not actually there concerning the Sabbath and Jesus' resurrection so as to make our risen Lord to have left the tomb on a Sunday, and therein justify that day as our new Sabbath is a complex effort in contradiction.

The Sabbath is still being recognized only as attending church on Sunday. Further confounding the Biblical record is the implication that Jesus who was God would cancel his own Sabbath day that he created for us. And this in order to arise on the day after Sabbath concluded in order to reconfigure Sabbath to a different day for whom?

When the Apostles recognized the Sabbath day even after Jesus ascended. And there is no mention whatsoever in Jesus words or the writings of the Apostles that that day had been changed to Sunday because their master resurrected on that day.

There is not one scripture that states the Sabbath day was changed to Sunday. And yet, there are schools of thought that insist it is so. And for some incredibly odd reason known only to those committed to the practice, the traditional Sabbath time frame, sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday, is not acceptable.

Nor is recognizing that the first day of the week in scripture, according to Jewish calendar, being Sunday per the scriptures tells us that Jesus had risen prior to that day if we read just John 20:1 .


The Resurrection
John 20:1 Now very early on the first day of the week,[a] while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene[b] came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been moved away from the entrance.[c]
[a] footnote: sn The first day of the week would be early Sunday morning. The Sabbath (and in this year the Passover) would have lasted from 6 p.m. Friday until 6 p.m. Saturday. Sunday would thus mark the first day of the following week.

Jesus was raised on the first Sabbath after Passover.

John 19: 14 (Now it was the day of preparation[ar] for the Passover, about noon.[as])[at] Pilate[au] said to the Jewish leaders,[av] “Look, here is your king!”

15 Then they[aw] shouted out, “Away with him! Away with him![ax] Crucify[ay] him!” Pilate asked,[az] “Shall I crucify your king?” The high priests replied, “We have no king except Caesar!” 16 Then Pilate[ba] handed him over[bb] to them to be crucified.

What we see happening is the high day in scripture is being overlooked.

Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31, ESV)
Leviticus 23:6-8 states the following:

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day **Note, this is Nissan 15** you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. But you shall present a food offering to the Lord for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. (Leviticus 23:6-8, ESV)

I think the question we have to ask ourselves is, why are all matters pertaining to the feast days, etc... being ignored so as to insist Jesus rose from the grave on a day, Sunday, that scripture does not support. Even considering the Jewish calendar of days. Jesus was already gone from the tomb early on Sunday when it was still dark. Sunday's dark began at sunset on Saturday!

When Jesus was not in the tomb early on Sunday morning while it was still dark, considering the Jewish calendar is Lunisolar and the counting of days is from nightfall to nightfall, Mary and the women coming to the tomb with the herbs and other accouterments to attend Jesus' body and finding the tomb empty were there on Sunday. According to the Hebrew calendar counting of days.

That would mean Jesus was gone from the tomb on Saturday. Because the Hebrew reckoning of days is from nightfall to nightfall. And Sunday would begin at nightfall Saturday unto nightfall Sunday.


John 20:1 Now very early on the first day of the week,[a] while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene[b] came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been moved away from the entrance.[c]
[a] footnote: sn The first day of the week would be early Sunday morning. The Sabbath (and in this year the Passover) would have lasted from 6 p.m. Friday until 6 p.m. Saturday. Sunday would thus mark the first day of the following week.