How old is our creation really?

[Skovand]

You support man's claim of evolution, where are transitional forms found in the fossil record?

I’ve answered that dozens of times already.

Let’s try this. What do you believe is a transitional form? When you hear that word, what’s the image that comes to mind. I think the first issue is that many don’t know what a transitional form is. They believe it’s like a half half ape human or bird mammal and ect...

 

[Skovand]

But do you not see the possibility of multiple more outcomes then what the theory of evolution is trying to teach us?
That we shared a common ancestor with apes and evolved into modern humans?
Making you related to practicly all species on this earth through evolution. Because if they say you originated out of fish, you also originated out of everything following that up.
Do you honestly see no other outcome? That those species simply went extinct and our bio diversity was once much richer then it is today?
Being explained in the Bible by a global flood. That is where dino’s got extinct. These stories about dragons and pictures of dinosaurs are no coincedences but based on actual interactions with them in the past.

 

[Fundamental]

I’ve answered that dozens of times already.

Let’s try this. What do you believe is a transitional form? When you hear that word, what’s the image that comes to mind. I think the first issue is that many don’t know what a transitional form is. They believe it’s like a half half ape human or bird mammal and ect...

Oh come on Skovand let us not make a short story longer then it needs to be.
Transitionals as Tiktaalik or all those humanlike fossils they see as transitionals.

If you really believe that story it is denying what the prophet Moses has revealed to us after living very close to the most mighty emperor of this earth. Egyptians knew their stuff and were descendants of those being described in Genesis having children with none human like creatures.

That is the story Skovand. God created you but satan corrupted your flesh.

 

[Skovand]

Yes. Humans evolved from a common ancestors and if you keep tracing that backwards it reaches fish and single cell species. The fish linage we came from was a species of Tiktaalik and before that a type of jawed fish.

If humans and dinosaurs ( dragons ) interacted together we would have evidence of it in the fossil record such as scarred dinosaur bones from human tools and so on.

 

[Fundamental]

Yes. Humans evolved from a common ancestors and if you keep tracing that backwards it reaches fish and single cell species. The fish linage we came from was a species of Tiktaalik and before that a type of jawed fish.

If humans and dinosaurs ( dragons ) interacted together we would have evidence of it in the fossil record such as scarred dinosaur bones from human tools and so on.

Why do you need evidence in dirt when people of the past described them and even draw images of them?
And again how does digging up Homo Erectus make you conclude that it is an ancestor?
Can the story not be there in the Bible? That there were many other human like creatures (because ”sons of God” had children with women) that got whiped out?

All I see in the fossil record is bio diversity shrinking, when one sees it growing he must have some magical glass ball. Because how can you explain evolution to different species by mutation on fabric you can NOT perform genetic research on? “It is in the fossil record” will not last forever. It is clearly NOT in the fossil record or we would not have this discussion bro.

 

[Truth7t7]

I’ve answered that dozens of times already.

Let’s try this. What do you believe is a transitional form? When you hear that word, what’s the image that comes to mind. I think the first issue is that many don’t know what a transitional form is. They believe it’s like a half half ape human or bird mammal and ect...

Evolution teaches that species evolved over a (Long Period) of time.

If this claim were true, you would see forms in transition, progressing to another form, I don't believe there are any.

Archeopytryx is the only claim I know of, and it's not even in the ball park.

 

[Skovand]

Evolution teaches that species evolved over a (Long Period) of time.

If this claim were true, you would see forms in transition, progressing to another form, I don't believe there are any.

Archeopytryx is the only claim I know of, and it's not even in the ball park.

That’s the first problem. You are trying to discuss something that you don’t understand. I suggest reading a few things on transitional species first and learning what it is and how many their are.

 

[bojack]

Piltdown Man in 1912 was a fabricated hoax, projecting the missing link between ape and man, and they kept it silent for 41 years, until it was in every public school text book and museum around the world.

The lie continues, the names have been changed to protect the guilty.

So is Lucy and every other ''proof'' they try to sell .. And Mars ? What some actually believe .. iM KULT RA

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes. Humans evolved from a common ancestors and if you keep tracing that backwards it reaches fish and single cell species. The fish linage we came from was a species of Tiktaalik and before that a type of jawed fish.

If humans and dinosaurs ( dragons ) interacted together we would have evidence of it in the fossil record such as scarred dinosaur bones from human tools and so on.

You weren't there, you believe the writings and claims of (Man)

Just as Piltdown man was claimed to be a transitional form in 1912, a fabricated (Fraud) that continued for 41 years

Wikipedia: The Piltdown Man was a paleoanthropological fraud in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. Although there were doubts about its authenticity virtually from the beginning, the remains were still broadly accepted for many years, and the falsity of the hoax was only definitively demonstrated in 1953. An extensive scientific review in 2016 established that amateur archaeologist Charles Dawson was its likely perpetrator.[1]

Group portrait of the Piltdown skull being examined. Back row (from left): F. O. Barlow, G. Elliot Smith, Charles Dawson, Arthur Smith Woodward. Front row: A. S. Underwood, Arthur Keith, W. P. Pycraft, and Ray Lankester. Note the portrait of Charles Darwin on the wall. Painting by John Cooke, 1915.
In 1912, Charles Dawson claimed that he had discovered the "missing link" between ape and man. In February 1912, Dawson contacted Arthur Smith Woodward, Keeper of Geology at the Natural History Museum, stating he had found a section of a human-like skull in Pleistocene gravel beds near Piltdown, East Sussex.[2] That summer, Dawson and Smith Woodward purportedly discovered more bones and artifacts at the site, which they connected to the same individual. These finds included a jawbone, more skull fragments, a set of teeth, and primitive tools.
Smith Woodward reconstructed the skull fragments and hypothesised that they belonged to a human ancestor from 500,000 years ago. The discovery was announced at a Geological Society meeting and was given the Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man"). The questionable significance of the assemblage remained the subject of considerable controversy until it was conclusively exposed in 1953 as a forgery. It was found to have consisted of the altered mandible and some teeth of an orangutan deliberately combined with the cranium of a fully developed, though small-brained, modern human.
The Piltdown hoax is prominent for two reasons: the attention it generated around the subject of human evolution, and the length of time, 41 years, that elapsed from its alleged initial discovery to its definitive exposure as a composite forgery.

 

[Skovand]

You weren't there, you believe the writings and claims of (Man)

Just as Piltdown man was claimed to be a transitional form in 1912, a fabricated (Fraud) that continued for 41 years

Wikipedia: The Piltdown Man was a paleoanthropological fraud in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. Although there were doubts about its authenticity virtually from the beginning, the remains were still broadly accepted for many years, and the falsity of the hoax was only definitively demonstrated in 1953. An extensive scientific review in 2016 established that amateur archaeologist Charles Dawson was its likely perpetrator.[1]

Group portrait of the Piltdown skull being examined. Back row (from left): F. O. Barlow, G. Elliot Smith, Charles Dawson, Arthur Smith Woodward. Front row: A. S. Underwood, Arthur Keith, W. P. Pycraft, and Ray Lankester. Note the portrait of Charles Darwin on the wall. Painting by John Cooke, 1915.
In 1912, Charles Dawson claimed that he had discovered the "missing link" between ape and man. In February 1912, Dawson contacted Arthur Smith Woodward, Keeper of Geology at the Natural History Museum, stating he had found a section of a human-like skull in Pleistocene gravel beds near Piltdown, East Sussex.[2] That summer, Dawson and Smith Woodward purportedly discovered more bones and artifacts at the site, which they connected to the same individual. These finds included a jawbone, more skull fragments, a set of teeth, and primitive tools.
Smith Woodward reconstructed the skull fragments and hypothesised that they belonged to a human ancestor from 500,000 years ago. The discovery was announced at a Geological Society meeting and was given the Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man"). The questionable significance of the assemblage remained the subject of considerable controversy until it was conclusively exposed in 1953 as a forgery. It was found to have consisted of the altered mandible and some teeth of an orangutan deliberately combined with the cranium of a fully developed, though small-brained, modern human.
The Piltdown hoax is prominent for two reasons: the attention it generated around the subject of human evolution, and the length of time, 41 years, that elapsed from its alleged initial discovery to its definitive exposure as a composite forgery.

It has nothing to do with believing the writings of man. It’s the data. I don’t have to be there to study data. What’s the point of the Piltman? Scientists have been skeptic of it since it’s original discovery because it’s not fitting the rest of the data. That’s a testament to the trust available in science.

 

[Skovand]

So is Lucy and every other ''proof'' they try to sell .. And Mars ? What some actually believe .. iM KULT RA

What’s false about Lucy?

 

[Lookupnotback]

We, Biblical creationists, don’t deny species evolve.
We deny species can evolve from single cells into complex cells branching up in so much leading up to humanity.

Evilnotion (evolution), does not happen but on small scales and always the beast returns back to the mean from which it changed after the stressors are removed from it
Plusssss all we ever see is a loss in the original info from within the beast that the changes are forced upon my a stronger mind directing it’s will upon the beast and so if allowed to return to the mean afterwards? It can’t from these attempts of us as higher creatures forcing change on other creatures as data from the original source is lost and we have never added info but just lost it through mutations.
This is the main problem in the faith needed to uphold the evilnotionary faiths, never is information added to an organism but only mutations have we observed and that is a net loss and not a mindless adding of info into the DNA from countless years and nobody!-)

 

[Lookupnotback]

Fallacy: non sequitur.

The absence of hominid fossils found with T. rex fossils does not in any way prove that humans were not alive during the Cretaceous period.

....weeeeell, I don’t know about that....if there are not man’s teeth marks on t rex’s ankles? Maybe we should be looking for man’s teeth in t rex’s belly!-),

 

[Truth7t7]

So is Lucy and every other ''proof'' they try to sell .. And Mars ? What some actually believe .. iM KULT RA

I agree, they don't have a clue, what people see are computer generated models.

Man claims they sent a space craft to Mars, landed it, used mechanical device's to test it's soil and atmosphere, then communicated this info back to earth?

They can't keep a cell phone going from tower to tower, and people believe man did that on a Mars mission?

(Real Big Smiles)

 

[bojack]

Evolution teaches that species evolved over a (Long Period) of time.

If this claim were true, you would see forms in transition, progressing to another form, I don't believe there are any.

Archeoptryx is the only claim I know of, and it's not even in the ball park.

Archeoptryx is a feathered creature , it is a bird .. I posted earlier we already have dinosaurs, mammals , insects, fish and some birds that don't fly .. Birds are fowl and all/only fowl have feathers .. Feathers are complicated and arranged each feather a unique size and place by design .. Birds and fish day 5 .. aquatic dinos spent most their time in water but designed to lay eggs on land, dinos day 6 .. Birds are older than dinos by 1 day

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

 

[Lookupnotback]

I don't see the corollary...but if you do......

....faith! Are you going to waist it on lies that go beyond reason of things like never does and organism increase in the natural info within the DNA and the info needed to build the RNA machines needed for DNA reconstruction of the info there in and on and on we go in the faith based religions needed to support the irrationalities of all natural laws in upholding evilnotion? Or just accept the black and white in God’s word and the faith that builds in a peace that goes beyond all understanding despite the circumstances one finds themselves in? That, my friend is the building up of the individual spirits of the body of the bride of Christ as the individual cells as it were of her body into a spotless bride worthy of the King of creation. ;-)

 

[bojack]

Archeoptryx is a feathered creature , it is a bird .. I posted earlier we already have dinosaurs, mammals , insects, and fish and that fly , but some birds don't fly .. Birds are fowl and all/only fowl have feathers .. Feathers are complicated and arranged each feather a unique size and place by design .. Birds and fish day 5 .. aquatic dinos spent most their time in water but designed to lay eggs on land, dinos day 6 .. Birds are older than dinos by 1 day

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Correction to correct ''and to but'' .. ''I posted earlier that we already have dinos, mammals, insects, and fish that fly ''but'' some birds that don't fly ..

 

[Dino246]

....weeeeell, I don’t know about that....if there are not man’s teeth marks on t rex’s ankles? Maybe we should be looking for man’s teeth in t rex’s belly!-),

It's a purely logical refutation. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The evidence at this point is that human and T. rex fossils have not been found in proximity. Anything beyond that is speculation. However much it "sounds" reasonable, it isn't proof.

Would fossils of today being examined 10,000 years from now "prove" that humans and elephants were not alive at the same time? According to Skovand's argument, yes. In reality, no.

 

[bojack]

I’ve answered that dozens of times already.

Let’s try this. What do you believe is a transitional form? When you hear that word, what’s the image that comes to mind. I think the first issue is that many don’t know what a transitional form is. They believe it’s like a half half ape human or bird mammal and ect...

You sound like Dawkins who had no clue when asked but ''it happened a long, long time ago'' with no proof but based only on his imagination ... Right ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Correction to correct ''and to but'' .. ''I posted earlier that we already have dinos, mammals, insects, and fish that fly ''but'' some birds that don't fly ..

I fully agree, there are (NO) transitional forms, any claims are complete fabrications of Man, just as (Piltdown Man) was for 41 years.