WHAT IS SOON TO COME TO PASS IN THIS WORLD - BIBLE PROPHECY

[Keras]

Usually when people say things like "Something is clear" it means that they want it to be. Only the unrighteous dead are judged at the great white throne.

A classic example! Of how you want it to be.
Revelation 20:12-13 is absolutely clear; I saw the dead, great and lowly standing before the Throne....everyone was Judged by what hey had done....
The only Judgment before this event, is of the nations, when Jesus Returns. Matthew 25:31-33

You are greatly mistaken! The last trump does not take place at the GWTJ.

So, are there Trumpets in Eternity? Maybe; but the Last Trumpet sound for mortal mankind will be at the GWT, after the Millennium.
As Paul says in 1 Cor 15:52, That is when the 7000 years decreed for mortal mankind is over.

When the resurrection of the church takes place, which is prior to the opening of the first seal,

There is no 'resurrection of the Church' and the first five Seals were opened when Jesus Ascended to heaven. Revelation 5:7
The only people resurrected when Jesus Returns, are the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 year control of the world by the 'beast'. Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 20:4

The first Four Seals are open now, evidenced by all the wars, famines and plagues we have had through this Christian age. The Fifth Seal is all the martyrs from Stephen, their souls are kept under the Altar in heaven. They 'sleep' there, but God does allow them to cry out at certain times.

When Jesus appears, His voice will sound like a trumpet saying "come up here" where the dead in Christ will rise first in their immortal and glorified bodies. Then immediately after that, those still alive in Christ will be changed in a flash, immortal and glorified and will be caught up together with those who will have just resurrected. At this point the entire church from beginning to end will be gathered together in the air with their immortal and glorified bodies, where the Lord will take us back to the Father's house to those places that Jesus went to prepare for us, that where He is we may be also.

What unscriptural nonsense! The Bible does not say this will happen at all. Jesus just calls up the 2 Witnesses.
1 Cor 15:50-56 is a prophecy of what happens at the GWT Judgement. Proved by only then is Death no more. Revelation 21;4

What it does say, is that those who have stood firm in their faith during all that must happen before Jesus Returns, will be His Priests and co-rulers ON EARTH. Revelation 5:9-10
The New Jerusalem does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

Jesus resurrected immortal and glorified and when we see Him, we will be like Him. Why in the world would the Lord resurrect His church to take us back to heaven in these bodies that decay and die?

THIS is your error. We humans never go to heaven, Jesus said so; John 3:13, and He prayed that we NOT be taken there, but protected from the evil one. John 17:15
After the Millennium, God Himself and therefore heaven; will come to dwell with us on earth. Revelation 21:3

In opposition, the church will have already been judged at the Bema seat of Christ in heaven some thousand years prior.

Noted that you fail to provide scriptural support for your assertions.
The prophecy in Matthew 25:31-46 is the Judgment of the nations, not the Judgment of individuals. Verse 46 will happen at the GWT, after the Millennium.
Proved by Zechariah 14:16-21, where the nations must come annually to worship at the Temple.

You still have to explain how the entire church and the great tribulation saints can rule over the nations with Christ during the millennial kingdom.

Isaiah 66:18b-21 and Revelation 5:9-10 say how it will be.
The earth will just continue on; springtime and harvest, for 1000 years under the benign rule of King Jesus. Only at the end will Satan be allowed to again seduce the peoples and that rebellion is quickly disposed of. Revelation 20:9-10

Paul says no such thing! Where do you get the idea that this scripture is speaking about after the millennial kingdom? I Cor.15:51-53 is synonymous with I Thess.4:16-17. It's the same event. It states that we (living believers) will be changed, which is the Greek allasso defined as: to change: to cause one thing to cease and another to take its place, to transform, i.e. immortal and glorified.

Those two prophesies are 1000 years apart. Proved by the Thess quote being when Jesus comes from heaven and the 1 Cor quote being when Death is no more. We know from Isaiah 65:20, that there will be death during the Millennium.

That is a convenient apologetic, yet false. Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man had died and were down in the comfort area of Hades, along with all of the other OT saints. On the other side of the chasm, was the rich man and all of the unrighteous dead. It is the latter who will be resurrected and will stand to be judged at the GWTJ.

Not what Jesus was getting at when He gave that homily. You have added your own spin to it.

So, people cannot just teach different views of God's word and without suffering the due penalty for those false teachings.

Right.- James 3:1 says; We who teach will be more severely Judged.

Jesus said we must take care to not be deceived. So it is possible for good Christians to be deceived and Paul says that people will listen to teachers of fables and refuse the truth. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
The fact that Christians have been deceived and believe fables, is quite evident by this discussion, where one of us must be wrong in our beliefs and teachings. In fact it seems that everyone who has an interest in Bible Prophecy, has a different take on what will happen in the end times.
What is for sure, Jesus will Return and all what is prophesied to happen before that glorious Day; will happen. Only those people who have stood firm in their faith and trust in Him thru it all, will go into the Millennium. Matthew 22:14

 

[Ahwatukee]

A classic example! Of how you want it to be.
Revelation 20:12-13 is absolutely clear; I saw the dead, great and lowly standing before the Throne....everyone was Judged by what hey had done....
The only Judgment before this event, is of the nations, when Jesus Returns. Matthew 25:31-33

Part I

I don't teach anything of "how I want it to be" but scripture states. Actually, the following Bema judgment is for the church which takes place after we are caught up:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad."

In addition, Revelation 19:6-8 reveals the church/bride receiving her fine linen, white and clean at the wedding of the Lamb. Then in 19:14 it shows the Lord returning to the earth to end the age with the bride/church wearing that same fine line, white and clean following Christ out of heaven and riding on white horses. This takes place at the end of the age, not the end of the millennium.

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"Hallelujah!

For our Lord God Almighty reigns. Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

"The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean."
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Then there is the following regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age to strike down the nations at Armageddon:

"They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

The "They" in the scripture above are the beast and the ten kings.

The "Called, chosen and faithful followers" who are with the Lord when He wages war against them, is the bride/church who will have previously been caught up immortal and glorified, who will have been judged at the Bema seat of Christ and who will have attended the wedding of the Lamb in heaven. After which they will follow Christ out of heaven when he returns to the earth to end the age.

The church/bride is not judged at the great white throne judgement. The scripture is clear when it says "Blessed an holy are those who take part in the first resurrection. For on such the second death has not power. In saying this, those who do not take part in the first resurrection, which would be all of those that stand at the GWTJ, the second death will have power over them, which again is why the church is not judged there.

So, are there Trumpets in Eternity? Maybe; but the Last Trumpet sound for mortal mankind will be at the GWT, after the Millennium. As Paul says in 1 Cor 15:52, That is when the 7000 years decreed for mortal mankind is over.

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."


The 'last trumpet' doesn't take place in eternity, but is imminent. It is the announcement of the Lord's appearing to gather His church, also called the blessed hope. The gathering of the church has always been imminent and which will take place prior to the on-set of God's wrath. Notice regarding the scripture above, that Paul included himself by saying "but we will all be changed." The 'change' that he is talking about is from mortal to immortality. At the time when the resurrection takes place, the bodies of the dead will be reanimated immortal and glorified with their spirits being reunited with those resurrected bodies. Immediately after that, those believers who are still alive, will be 'changed,' i.e. transformed, causing one thing to cease and another to take its place.

There is nothing in the scripture that states that the last trumpet is sounded at the end of 7000 years. And second, that last trumpet is synonymous with the "trumpet of God" in I Thess.4:16 which is only regarding the church at the time they are caught up. After the gathering of the church the wrath of God follows via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and the emergence of the antichrist. At that time the church will be in heaven and will be judged at the Bema Seat where we will receive reward or loss of reward, with the wedding of the Lamb to follow.

There is no 'resurrection of the Church' and the first five Seals were opened when Jesus Ascended to heaven. Revelation 5:7
The only people resurrected when Jesus Returns, are the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 year control of the world by the 'beast'. Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 20:4

The 'first resurrection' is made up of phases:

* Jesus the first fruits of those

* The church at His coming

* The Male Child/144,000 who are caught up to God's throne

* The two witnesses

* The great tribulation saints

All of the above belong to the first resurrection. 'First' does not mean 'only.' The first resurrection is in contrast to the resurrection which takes place at the end of the millennial kingdom, which is the resurrection of the unrighteous dead. They will also receive resurrected bodies albeit for their punishment in the lake of fire.

In Revelation 2:26-27, Jesus says for those in the church who over come, He will give authority over the nations." The nations are those who will enter into the millennial kingdom to repopulate the earth which we will rule over with Christ. According to you, the church would be able to rule over the nation because we would not resurrected until after the end of the millennial kingdom.

The gathering of the church is and has been imminent since Paul received this information from the Lord, which is why he included himself as being one of those who would be alive when the resurrection took place.

The church is next to be resurrected, changed and caught up and remains imminent.

(Continued)

 

[Ahwatukee]

Part II

The first Four Seals are open now, evidenced by all the wars, famines and plagues we have had through this Christian age.

That "the first four seals are now open" is false!

The first seal rider on the white horse is representing the antichrist. He is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse in Rev.19:11 which is the Lord. That said, the antichrist has not yet been revealed and therefore the first seal could not have yet been opened.

In addition, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be unprecedented events on a level the world has not yet seen.

First seal/Rider on the white horse = The emergence of the antichrist

Has not yet been revealed, therefore, none of the other seals can be opened until the first one is opened.

Second seal/Rider on the red horse = Given power to take peace from the earth so that men kill one another.

This peace that is taken from the earth will be much worse than any world war that we have previously experience. When it states that men will kill each other, I don't believe that it is only referring to military against military, but people in general will be killing one another as well.

Third Seal/Rider on the black horse = World-wide famine

"A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius," is demonstrating a little bit of food for a lot of money. And this famine will be world-wide.

Fourth Seal/Rider on a pale green horse = Death with Hades

Death and Hades are given power to kill a fourth of the earths population via sword, famine, plague and the beasts of the earth. Based on our current population, a fourth would be about 2 billion people killed within the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.

The Fifth Seal is all the martyrs from Stephen, their souls are kept under the Altar in heaven. They 'sleep' there, but God does allow them to cry out at certain times.

There is nothing that says that these martyrs are from Stephen, as well as nothing that says that they are sleeping. That's an assumption on your part. On the contrary, they are conscious and aware and are having a conversation with the Lord, which would demonstrate that they are very much conscious and aware. Sleep is only referring to the body.

What unscriptural nonsense! The Bible does not say this will happen at all. Jesus just calls up the 2 Witnesses.
1 Cor 15:50-56 is a prophecy of what happens at the GWT Judgement. Proved by only then is Death no more. Revelation 21;4

These two witnesses will be resurrected after 3 1/2 days of lying in the streets of Jerusalem. The word 'anastasis' translated as 'Resurrection' means to 'stand up again in a physical body. There were people who were resurrected in their same mortal body and there will be people who will be resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies. These two witnesses are being resurrected and therefore take part in the first resurrection.

What it does say, is that those who have stood firm in their faith during all that must happen before Jesus Returns, will be His Priests and co-rulers ON EARTH. Revelation 5:9-10

The New Jerusalem does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

The church will not be on the earth during the time of God's wrath. In fact you will never see the word 'ekklesia/church' mentioned within the narrative of God's wrath The following are those who will be on the earth during the tribulation period:

* The unbelieving nation of Israel, who are symbolically represented by the woman of Revelation 12

* The Male Child/144,000 out come out of Israel, who will be caught up to God's throne in the middle of the seven years

* The great tribulation saints which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which makes them Gentiles

* And of course, the wicked

Revelation 5:9-10 is synonymous with Revelation 20:4-6, referring to the great tribulation saints who will have been resurrected after Christ's return to the earth to end the age. These, along with the church and the 144,000 will rule with Christ on the earth during the millennial kingdom, all being in their immortal and glorified bodies.

THIS is your error. We humans never go to heaven, Jesus said so; John 3:13,

Sir, you have a lot of studying left to do. In John 3:13, Jesus is just saying that no one has ascended into heaven except for Him. But there are other scriptures that teach that the Lord will be coming back to gather His church and to take them to heaven, as promised below:

"In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.

The Father's house would be referring to heaven. Jesus said that He was going to the Father's house to prepare a place for believers and that He was going to come back and take us there, i.e. to the Father's house which is in heaven. Therefore, your claim that I am in error is false.

and He prayed that we NOT be taken there, but protected from the evil one. John 17:15

Jesus prayed that His disciples at that time not be taken off the earth. If they had been removed from the earth, where would the gospel be? There would have been no one to preach Christ. The disciples not being removed is not to be applied to the entire church as meaning that we will never be taken to heaven. That is an erroneous interpretation. Regarding our going to heaven to be with the Lord, we also have Jesus saying the following:

"Lord, where are You going?” Simon Peter asked.

Jesus answered, “Where I am going, you cannot follow Me now, but you will follow later.”

Where was Jesus going? He ascended to the right hand of the Father. The disciples and all believers, will be resurrected, changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up to the Lord and taken back to the Father's house.

After the Millennium, God Himself and therefore heaven; will come to dwell with us on earth. Revelation 21:3

The above does not take place until after the millennial period in the eternal state. What does that have to do with what takes place prior to that time period?

Noted that you fail to provide scriptural support for your assertions.

Well then you have not been paying close attention, because I have provided scripture to support my teachings.

The prophecy in Matthew 25:31-46 is the Judgment of the nations, not the Judgment of individuals. Verse 46 will happen at the GWT, after the Millennium. Proved by Zechariah 14:16-21, where the nations must come annually to worship at the Temple.

This is the judgment of the sheep and the goats, which takes place on this earth when the Lord returns to end the age! Let's look at the scripture:

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

'When the Son of Man comes,' would infer when the Lord returns to the earth. If He's already in heaven, He would not need to come in His glory, because He would already be in heaven. The angels coming with Him is synonymous with Matt.24:30-31 when the inhabitants of the earth will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven. At that time He will send out His angels and they will gather His elect from the four corners of the earth. These that the angels gather will be those who are still alive and made it through the tribulation period, which will be those great tribulation saint who will have kept the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and who will not have worshipped the beast, his image nor received his mark. These, along with Israel, will enter into the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies and will repopulate the earth.

And I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, because everything so far has been misinterpreted. You obviously have been swayed by other teachings, which are false

 

[Keras]

I don't teach anything of "how I want it to be" but scripture states. Actually, the following Bema judgment is for the church which takes place after we are caught up:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad."

The Judgment of every individual happens at the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15 To Eternal Life or Eternal death and the rewards or punishment as decreed.

In addition, Revelation 19:6-8 reveals the church/bride receiving her fine linen, white and clean at the wedding of the Lamb. Then in 19:14 it shows the Lord returning to the earth to end the age with the bride/church wearing that same fine line, white and clean following Christ out of heaven and riding on white horses. This takes place at the end of the age, not the end of the millennium.

Jesus Returns accompanied by the armies of heaven. Matthew 16:27, Revelation 19:14 The fact they are dressed in white robes is no reason to think they are human saints.

The church/bride is not judged at the great white throne judgement. The scripture is clear when it says "Blessed an holy are those who take part in the first resurrection. For on such the second death has not power. In saying this, those who do not take part in the first resurrection, which would be all of those that stand at the GWTJ, the second death will have power over them, which again is why the church is not judged there.

It is crystal clear that the ONLY people resurrected when Jesus Returns, is the martyrs of the GT. Rev 20:4

The 'last trumpet' doesn't take place in eternity,

The Last Trumpet must be at the end of God's decreed time for mankind. At the final Judgment, after the Millennium.

That "the first four seals are now open" is false!

Your explanations are wrong and just speculative.
History proves we have had terrible wars, shocking famines, decimating plagues and the Fifth Seal obviously refers to all the martyrs f the Christian era. They 'sleep' under the Altar in heaven. They are not conscious, excepting when God wills it.

Where was Jesus going? He ascended to the right hand of the Father. The disciples and all believers, will be resurrected, changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up to the Lord and taken back to the Father's house.

Dreamers rubbish. Why would the Lord do this?
We are told to preach the Gospel until He Returns. Matthew 28:19-20
Immortality is only conferred at the GWT Judgment, when the Book of Life is opened.

Well then you have not been paying close attention, because I have provided scripture to support my teachings.

The few scriptures you do post do not support your beliefs.

And I am not going to respond to the rest of your post, because everything so far has been misinterpreted. You obviously have been swayed by other teachings, which are false

My beliefs are purely what the Bible says. I have had no other teachings on Bible Prophecy form anyone.
You though; have accepted teachings that are fables and Satanic lies. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

The Last days is nearly upon us, people who think they will be 'raptured' away from any hardship, may be seriously disadvantaged as sudden and dramatic things happen.

 

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Warning!!!!!!! Protect yourself now!!!!!!!

As it was in the Days of Lot (type and shadow prior to the Rapture)

Mobs of evil men will break into the house of Righteous men and women raping both. Incest will be as normal as same-sex marriage.

 

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The Lord said this to me this month of October, prior to me just watching this video tonight!!!!!!!!!

He said, "warn my Righteous people!"

 

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[Keras]

Time for the Judgement to Begin:

1 Peter 4:7-11 The end of all things is upon us, therefore to help you pray, you must lead self controlled and sober lives. Above all, love each other, because love cancels out a host of sins. Be hospitable to one another, without grumbling and each one should use whatever gifts that they have received from God to serve others. Use your gifts and strength to glorify God through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and power for ever.

1 Peter 4:12-16 Dear friends, do not be surprised by the fiery trial which is to try you, as though something strange were happening to you, but rejoice, that you participate in the suffering of Christ, then when His glory is revealed, your joy will be great. If you are reviled for being a Christian, count yourself happy, for the Spirit of God rests upon you and if you do suffer, it must not be for any criminal deed. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

1 Peter 4:17-19 For it is time for judgement to begin; it is beginning with God’s own household, as Scripture says; If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the impious and sinful? So let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to Him, while continuing to do good; their Maker will not fail them.

1 Peter 5:10 After your brief suffering, the God of all grace who called you to His eternal glory in Christ will Himself make you perfect, establish, strengthen and settle you. Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

‘The end of all things is upon us’. Peter does not mean the end of the world, but the end of this present age, our time; right now!

‘do not be surprised by the fiery trial’. This can refer to the persecution of the early church, but is mainly to us in the last days, as we face the forthcoming judgement by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis: the Sixth Seal event. 2 Peter 3:7

‘His glory revealed’. Firstly that revealing will be to Jesus’ born again people: 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10. Later; at the Return of Jesus, He will be seen by all the world. Matthew 24:30, Revelation 19:11

‘ The Judgement begins in God’s household’. The terrible fire judgement prophesied so many times throughout the Bible, will initially strike the Middle East, which includes the present State of Israel. Many prophecies say how all the holy Land will be ‘burnt and devastated’, Jeremiah 9:10-12, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 10:23

‘make you perfect, establish, strengthen and settle you’. This will be the fulfilment of all the great promises of how the Lord will gather His faithful Christian people, Ezekiel 34:11 and how He will pour out His Spirit upon them, Ezekiel 37:14, Isaiah 35:1-10 Then they will be established and settled into all of the area promised to Abraham. Genesis 17:8, Isaiah 62:1-5

Isaiah 49:8-11 The Lord says: In the time of My favor, on the Day of Deliverance, I will come to your aid. You are My people, destined to be a light to the nations and to restore the Land. Go free now and in the Land, you will find food and water in plenty. It will not be too hot when the One who loves them will guide them along highways. My people; coming from all parts of the world, will shout for joy as they enter their Land. For God will comfort His people in their distress. Isaiah 35, Zechariah 8:1-8

 

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The conference that is held in Heaven

Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.” 1 Kings 22 NKJV

It may come as a surprise to many Christians that Satan still has access to Heaven, with the account given to us in Job, Chapters 1 and 2 and, as well, we see from this Text that there are evil spirits present there.

As to exactly what they are allowed to do we aren't told. This is a demon spirit that is addressed here. So, if there is one evil spirit in Heaven, no doubt, there are many others.

The Scripture tells us that one day soon, actually at about the midpoint of the Great Tribulation, that Satan and all of his evil hosts will be cast out of Heaven, there having no more access.

The account says, "And there was war in Heaven (pertains to the 'Mystery of God' being finished [Revelation 10:7]): Michael and his Angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his Angels (this pertains to Satan and all the Angels who followed him being cast out of Heaven, which will take place, as stated, at the midpoint of the Great Tribulation; why the Lord has allowed Satan and his minions to remain in Heaven all of this time, we aren't told; it is a 'Mystery,' but it will now be finished).

Pastor Jimmy Swaggart Bible Commentary


There is much to be revealed in these scriptures...your thoughts.

By the Power of the Holy Spirit, Jesus saw into the future, observing Satan as he will be cast out of Heaven at the approximate midpoint of the coming Great Tribulation Period. This is called a "mystery," and is referred to in Revelation 10:7.

This is the Seventh Trumpet Judgement, and serves as the announcement for the casting out of Satan. Revelation 10:6 tells us that this has long been delayed, but will ultimately be brought to pass. This is necessary, the casting out of Satan, before the kingdoms of this world can become those of God and Christ, as announced in Revelation 11:15

 

[Dino246]

The conference that is held in Heaven

Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.” 1 Kings 22 NKJV

It may come as a surprise to many Christians that Satan still has access to Heaven, with the account given to us in Job, Chapters 1 and 2 and, as well, we see from this Text that there are evil spirits present there.

As to exactly what they are allowed to do we aren't told. This is a demon spirit that is addressed here. So, if there is one evil spirit in Heaven, no doubt, there are many others.
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Pastor Jimmy Swaggart Bible Commentary
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There is much to be revealed in these scriptures...your thoughts.

The passage in 1 Kings doesn't identify the "lying spirit" as a demon.

 

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[Ahwatukee]

The OP takes the futurist interpretation of events. That certainly isn't the only way to view them, and it has contributed to much of the fluff peddled to the Church in the last fifty years.

88 Reasons, anyone? Let's start taking a critical look at the fruit of this view.

Hello Dino! How can this be anything but a view of the future? Let's look at each listed item:

END-TIMES EVENTS

1. The Rapture of the Church - 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Hasn't yet taken place, as the church is still being built

2. The Great Tribulation - Matthew 24:21-22

Hasn't yet taken place, because scripture has it taking place during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven period

3. The Rise of the Antichrist - 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9

Hasn't yet taken place, because the antichrist has yet to be revealed

4. The Battle of Armageddon - Revelation 16:16; Zechariah 14:1-2

Hasn't yet taken place, because this takes place as Jesus returns to the earth to end the age

5. The Judgement Seat of Christ 2 Corinthians 5:10

Has not yet taken place and takes place in heaven

6. The Second Coming of Christ Matthew 24:29-30; Revelation 19:11-14

Hasn't yet taken place, but does when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and that after the tribulation

7. The Kingdom Age - Revelation 20:4; Isaiah 2:4; 9:6-7; 35:1-3

Millennial kingdom has not yet taken place, but takes place after the tribulation period when Christ returns to the earth

8. The Great White Throne Judgment - Revelation 20:11

Has not yet taken place and takes place after the millennial kingdom and in heaven

9. The Perfect Age - Eternal - Revelation 21 & 22

The eternal state has not yet begun, but will do so after the great with throne judgment

Since none of those events have yet taken place, then they can only be future events. So how then can you claim that a futurist view of those things is fluff?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Well he does have a point, technically there are several ways to view it . Some believe we have been in the tribulation period ever since the ascent of Jesus, others say that we have yet to even begin the book of revelations and others still say that it is all future events and we have yet to enter into it.
But the thing about bible prophecy is that it seems to foreshadow quite a lot and as for the rapture itself I am more of a pretrib / prewrath believer. While I do hope for a pretrib rapture I also believe it is possible we will see the events of the tribulation but not be here for God's wrath

Hi Blain!

In order to get any of those other views, one has to allegorize, twist, bend and mutilate the scriptures to get them to fit.

For example, the full Preterist who say that all of Matthew 24 and the events listed in Revelation regarding God's wrath, for the most part already taken place, claim that Jesus' return to the earth in Matt.24:30, was fulfilled through Titus and the roman legions destruction of the temple. Yet the scripture clearly states that when Jesus returns every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him. And all of the tribes of the earth will mourn when they see Him arriving on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And at that same time that He would send His angels out to gather the elect from all over the world.

Some full preterists even even claim that we are currently living in the new heavens and the new Earth. Of course, they have to abandon the plain understanding of the Scriptures to try and explain what John really meant when he said “there shall no longer be any death…mourning, or crying, or pain” in Rev. 21:4.

I could go on an on, but you see the problem with their claims of preterism.

 

[Ahwatukee]

That's obvious. But I'm just wondering if you intentionally put the Bema judgment after the wedding.

If I may interject: It would appear that the Bema Seat judgment would take place before the wedding of the Lamb where the bride receives her fine linen, white and clean. To put the Bema Seat judgment after the wedding, would seam to be in the wrong order.

So I bid, judgment first, then the wedding

 

[Ahwatukee]

Not sure what is so hard about that?

Here are a few prophesies from Revelation 22: in fact 10 prophecies (depending how you count them).

3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

So I expect that in the city there will not by any curse, God's throne will be there, God's servants will serve Him, and they will see His face, etc. Just like the text says . . . I fail to see what is hard about that ??

Not to mention no more death, crying or pain - Rev.21:4

 

[Blain]

Hi Blain!

In order to get any of those other views, one has to allegorize, twist, bend and mutilate the scriptures to get them to fit.

For example, the full Preterist who say that all of Matthew 24 and the events listed in Revelation regarding God's wrath, for the most part already taken place, claim that Jesus' return to the earth in Matt.24:30, was fulfilled through Titus and the roman legions destruction of the temple. Yet the scripture clearly states that when Jesus returns every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him. And all of the tribes of the earth will mourn when they see Him arriving on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And at that same time that He would send His angels out to gather the elect from all over the world.

Some full preterists even even claim that we are currently living in the new heavens and the new Earth. Of course, they have to abandon the plain understanding of the Scriptures to try and explain what John really meant when he said “there shall no longer be any death…mourning, or crying, or pain” in Rev. 21:4.

I could go on an on, but you see the problem with their claims of preterism.

Well I can't claim to be an expert on this subject by any means but the fact is it is required to make it say what you want it say in order to come to those conclusions I know because I studied all of them with each particular mindset and not mention the play on words comes into the faction different versons say things that seem to mean the same thing but if you paay close attention you realize that the wrods don't mean the same thing.

 

[Dino246]

Hello Dino! How can this be anything but a view of the future? Let's look at each listed item:
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Since none of those events have yet taken place, then they can only be future events. So how then can you claim that a futurist view of those things is fluff?

I didn't claim that "a futurist view of those things is fluff". Please read more carefully.