Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[Blik]

I already did. What you're doing is like others I read on the net. You think you didn't accuse a Christian of worshiping a dead Christ because you did not say specifically those words, you worship a dead Christ.
However, you worded your remarks to a member here so that the readers could infer precisely that and without stating it directly.

I reconciled all of it with my post and scripture proofs.
I don't expect anyone who thinks Jesus rose on Sunday to change their minds regardless of the scripture, the Hebrew Nisan, or any other evidence to support the fact Jesus arose on Saturday.

I'm not going to go back and forth on this. The Bible says what it says. People believe what they want to believe.

We are not responsible for what people choose to believe, but we are obliged to speak the truth of scripture.

I misquoted scripture not long ago, and a kind Christian corrected it. I am so thankful. We are honor bound to speak the truth.

The feasts predicts the steps God takes for our salvation. Every step, like Pentecost, has come about at the exact time of the celebration of the prediction. If Christ rose on Sunday instead of the Sabbath it would be the only exemption.

 

[Forcemyhand]

Matthew 28:1-6, “But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week, Miryam from Maḡdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb. And see, there was a great earthquake, for a messenger of יהוה came down out of heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garments as white as snow. And the guards trembled for fear of him, and became like dead men. And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek יהושע who was impaled. He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay.”

“it was dawning into day one of the week”...“He is not here, for He was raised”

Mark 16:1-6, “And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on day one of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who shall roll away the stone from the entrance of the tomb for us?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, for it was extremely large. And having entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, wearing a white robe, and they were greatly astonished. And he said to them, “Do not be much astonished. You seek יהושע of Natsareth, who was impaled. He was raised – He is not here! See the place where they laid Him.”

“very early on day one of the week”...“He was raised – He is not here”

Luke 24:1-3, “But on day one of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. And having entered, they did not find the body of the Master יהושע.”

“on day one of the week, at early dawn”...“they did not find the body of the Master יהושע”

John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

“on the first day of the week”...“the stone had been removed from the tomb”

Yahshua presented Himself to YHWH on the 1st day as firstfruits, but had risen att he end of the weekly Sabbath.

 

[soggykitten]

We are not responsible for what people choose to believe, but we are obliged to speak the truth of scripture.

I misquoted scripture not long ago, and a kind Christian corrected it. I am so thankful. We are honor bound to speak the truth.

The feasts predicts the steps God takes for our salvation. Every step, like Pentecost, has come about at the exact time of the celebration of the prediction. If Christ rose on Sunday instead of the Sabbath it would be the only exemption.

Amen. And thankfully, it is not an exemption.
God Bless You Blik.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yahshua presented Himself to YHWH on the 1st day as firstfruits, but had risen at the end of the weekly Sabbath.

Since the Hebrew day begins and ends at sunset, the end of the Sabbath was also the beginning of the first day of the week. Since the Sabbath was originally God's rest from all His creative works, it was also Christ's rest from His redemptive work. Therefore Christ is called "the First Fruits of them that slept" since the Feast of First Fruits was on "the morrow after the Sabbath" (the first day of the week).

It is significant that the Risen Lord appeared to Thomas eight days after His resurrection. He could have appeared on any day at any time, but He deliberately came to be worshiped by Thomas on the first day of the week.

It is also significant that Paul and his companions came from Philippi to Troas and waited for seven days, so that they could gather with the saints on the first day of the week to break bread (the Lord's Supper).

 

[Forcemyhand]

Since the Hebrew day begins and ends at sunset, the end of the Sabbath was also the beginning of the first day of the week. Since the Sabbath was originally God's rest from all His creative works, it was also Christ's rest from His redemptive work. Therefore Christ is called "the First Fruits of them that slept" since the Feast of First Fruits was on "the morrow after the Sabbath" (the first day of the week).

It is significant that the Risen Lord appeared to Thomas eight days after His resurrection. He could have appeared on any day at any time, but He deliberately came to be worshiped by Thomas on the first day of the week.

It is also significant that Paul and his companions came from Philippi to Troas and waited for seven days, so that they could gather with the saints on the first day of the week to break bread (the Lord's Supper).

Thank you for your reply, I disagree with your view, and want to state why;

We need more truth less tradition.

The Word never designates the 1st day as special, nor does it say He rose on the 1st day, but rather all 4 gospels state He ha already risen before the 1st day. And no the ending of the Sabbath is not yet the 1st day, there is a period where the sun is going down but not yet down this is ONLY the end of the 7th day, once the sun is completely set then and onlythen is it the next day.

If you know about the feast of firstfruits you would know why Yahshua chose that timing, and no it was not to be worshiped on the 1st day, that is man made non scriptural fairy tale. the women were at the tomb first, He told them not to touch Him, Yahshua was fulfilling the feat days.,

 

[Blik]

Since the Hebrew day begins and ends at sunset, the end of the Sabbath was also the beginning of the first day of the week. Since the Sabbath was originally God's rest from all His creative works, it was also Christ's rest from His redemptive work. Therefore Christ is called "the First Fruits of them that slept" since the Feast of First Fruits was on "the morrow after the Sabbath" (the first day of the week).

It is significant that the Risen Lord appeared to Thomas eight days after His resurrection. He could have appeared on any day at any time, but He deliberately came to be worshiped by Thomas on the first day of the week.

It is also significant that Paul and his companions came from Philippi to Troas and waited for seven days, so that they could gather with the saints on the first day of the week to break bread (the Lord's Supper).

Do you really think that God changed the Sabbath day of the week without telling us, just giving us these hints? God told us plainly straight to the point when God established the day. We have to disagree with a direct order on the base of man's faulty reasoning to change it.

I wonder why men think changing it is so important? Could it be that men are in rebellion to the Lord and this is a way of showing it?

 

[lenna]

I don't think that when scripture tells us that the law is a shadow of things to come it is to be understood that it cancels all other scripture. The things to come is that we will live with the Lord in heaven, we will need no law. That statement does not cancel the entire 119th psalm, or Romans 7:12 in which Paul states the law is holy, righteous, and good.

False prophets who were Gnostics entered the church of Corinth. They had told the church that God was spiritual only, and everything physical was against God including celebrating the salvation Christ brings. Paul told them Gnostics were wrong, to let no man judge their celebrations.

I may say that it is scripture to celebrate Christ, but I may not judge anyone who refuses to celebrate Christ with a feast. You are free to change the Sabbath and to deny the feasts, God gave you that freedom and no one has the right to deny you that freedom. You have no right to deny me the right to speak of scripture.

well of course. it only cancels the law. the law is for those who have not accepted Christ

no part of scripture cancels another part of scripture and NO ONE has said that. if that is what you think people are saying, then you need to back it up and read with more care. However, Jesus death on the cross changed things.

I don't care about the Gnostics and there are plenty of false prophets and teachers today. in fact, more than ever

you are free to Sabbath all you want. you need to stop judging others because they disagree

THAT, is the actual point of most of my posts to you

now say you never judged. go back and read where I replied to the posts where you most certainly did

saying to people that only those who love God for real will keep the Sabbath is extreme judging

You have no right to deny me the right to speak of scripture.

childish. no one, repeat NO ONE has said any such thing to you. speak all day long but stop accusing and judging and telling people they do not love God because they have left the OT and are now following the NT in their worship

I can tell you your judgement of others is wrong and not your place and that is what I am doing. your indignation is ridiculous along with your false accusations

 

[SoulWeaver]

saying to people that only those who love God for real will keep the Sabbath is extreme judging

I agree with this assessment.
What's worse, this is false witness because we do keep the sabbath. We keep the updated and expanded commandment. "You have heard... But I tell you..." Jesus updated every commandment to a higher standard.
Sabbath was about resting in God and leaving our own works. This was not possible to do without Christ so the Jews did a weekly ordinance as a sign of what's to come. I never get the answer for this: Hebrews 4 says sabbath is something that is "entered". Do you "enter" a weekly ordinance? Obviously it's there still it's just not an ordinance any more.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

One more thing. Did everyone who teaches literal 7 day creation week notice that God is still resting and the 7th day of creation still lasts? We enter into it. Because "it is finished" - "the works were finished from the foundation of the world".

 

[notuptome]

Do you really think that God changed the Sabbath day of the week without telling us, just giving us these hints? God told us plainly straight to the point when God established the day. We have to disagree with a direct order on the base of man's faulty reasoning to change it.

I wonder why men think changing it is so important? Could it be that men are in rebellion to the Lord and this is a way of showing it?

God did not change the law or the Sabbath. God fulfilled the law and the Sabbath in Christ His Messiah. Christ is displayed for all to see.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[soggykitten]

Do you really think that God changed the Sabbath day of the week without telling us, just giving us these hints? God told us plainly straight to the point when God established the day. We have to disagree with a direct order on the base of man's faulty reasoning to change it.

I wonder why men think changing it is so important? Could it be that men are in rebellion to the Lord and this is a way of showing it?

Some opposition to the Biblical Sabbath occurs because some people are opposed to anything related to Jewish tradition. I think we have to keep that in mind and pray for such people. They're blind living their own tradition.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath.
Mark 2:23-28 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grain fields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?" 25 He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26 In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27 Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is LORD even of the Sabbath."

God does not change? He is the same yesterday, today, and always? But somehow we're suppose to accept that God changed his mind about the Sabbath he created in the beginning. The seventh day is Saturday.

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

 

[soggykitten]

well of course. it only cancels the law. the law is for those who have not accepted Christ

no part of scripture cancels another part of scripture and NO ONE has said that. if that is what you think people are saying, then you need to back it up and read with more care. However, Jesus death on the cross changed things.

I don't care about the Gnostics and there are plenty of false prophets and teachers today. in fact, more than ever

you are free to Sabbath all you want. you need to stop judging others because they disagree

THAT, is the actual point of most of my posts to you

now say you never judged. go back and read where I replied to the posts where you most certainly did

saying to people that only those who love God for real will keep the Sabbath is extreme judging



childish. no one, repeat NO ONE has said any such thing to you. speak all day long but stop accusing and judging and telling people they do not love God because they have left the OT and are now following the NT in their worship

I can tell you your judgement of others is wrong and not your place and that is what I am doing. your indignation is ridiculous along with your false accusations

Your pursuit and contempt for Blik is a sin. And we see you.

Remove the plank from your own eye before you judge anyone here by accusing them of extreme judging. When all you do post after post is precisely that. And without an ounce of compassion or love. God forgive you.

It is a falsehood, and a blatant cover of that fact, that no one has ever said that one part of scripture cancels another.

Again, this is a tactic employed to avoid responsibility for that very act. The actors think because they did not state word for word something against scripture, or a statement about a members belief being on a dead Christ, that they are then able to avoid the responsibility for implying what they dare not write word for word. And did so with the premeditated intention of having their words inferred as precisely what they would not write word for word. That they are then able to deny responsibility when their meaning is realized and addressed as publicly as they meant it to attach to this discussion.

 

[soggykitten]

God did not change the law or the Sabbath. God fulfilled the law and the Sabbath in Christ His Messiah. Christ is displayed for all to see.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

And after Jesus returned to the Father the Apostles kept the Sabbath. That would include Paul who came to Christ after Jesus' ascension. That in itself revokes any attempt to claim the Sabbath was done away by the God who created it for man when he died on the cross.

 

[Forcemyhand]

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[notuptome]

And after Jesus returned to the Father the Apostles kept the Sabbath. That would include Paul who came to Christ after Jesus' ascension. That in itself revokes any attempt to claim the Sabbath was done away by the God who created it for man when he died on the cross.

Scripture tells me that they met on the first day of the week not the seventh.

I did not say it was done away but that it was fulfilled and fulfilled for righteousness sake. One is not made righteous or more righteous by Sabbath observation. One is not made less righteous by observing another day like the first day of the week.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[soggykitten]

Scripture tells me that they met on the first day of the week not the seventh.

I did not say it was done away but that it was fulfilled and fulfilled for righteousness sake. One is not made righteous or more righteous by Sabbath observation. One is not made less righteous by observing another day like the first day of the week.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The Bible doesn't tell us the Sabbath was created to make us righteous.

 

[notuptome]

The Bible doesn't tell us the Sabbath was created to make us righteous.

Then it has no purpose?

All of the law was given to reveal our need of forgiveness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[soggykitten]

Then it has no purpose?

All of the law was given to reveal our need of forgiveness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I think you know about the Sabbath.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do you really think that God changed the Sabbath day of the week without telling us, just giving us these hints?

Is it not enough that Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week?

 

[Forcemyhand]

Is it not enough that Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week?

He was already risen by then..

every gospel says it:

Matthew 28:1-6, “But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week, Miryam from Maḡdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb. And see, there was a great earthquake, for a messenger of יהוה came down out of heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garments as white as snow. And the guards trembled for fear of him, and became like dead men. And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek יהושע who was impaled. He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay.”

“it was dawning into day one of the week”...“He is not here, for He was raised”

Mark 16:1-6, “And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on day one of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who shall roll away the stone from the entrance of the tomb for us?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, for it was extremely large. And having entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, wearing a white robe, and they were greatly astonished. And he said to them, “Do not be much astonished. You seek יהושע of Natsareth, who was impaled. He was raised – He is not here! See the place where they laid Him.”

“very early on day one of the week”...“He was raised – He is not here”

Luke 24:1-3, “But on day one of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. And having entered, they did not find the body of the Master יהושע.”

“on day one of the week, at early dawn”...“they did not find the body of the Master יהושע”

John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

“on the first day of the week”...“the stone had been removed from the tomb”