How old is our creation really?

[Fundamental]

Yes, I think you can breed out materiel but you can't add information is what I believe or make it so scarce in a population ..
I had seen a type rabbit that had migrated to 3 different climate regions, 1 could breed with only one other and I think one could still breed with both others ..

How will we know the difference wether they don’t want or simply can’t?

They can already add “information” of a donor to DNA. But then again, this needs to be inseminated later on. It needs to be born. In nature, without humans messing around, these genes can only be brought together by intercourse. Eugenics of this day is held back by ethical restraints, but they can go far in genetic engineering. They can add or remove stuff in DNA before insimination. (Yes this has limits but still....)

When observing natural selection in nature we see evolution is not so blind but driven on purpose. Selection happens by choice on some level. Choice/selection by consciousness makes the whole an intelligent design.

 

[Truth7t7]

Go for it. I purchased this when it first came out. I also listened to it again on audible many years later. Like two years ago lol.

https://store.khouse.org/products/cosmic-codes

Chuck Missler (God rest his soul) is the real deal. The man had credentials, Intelligence, savvy and real-world experience and he was quite well connected to high-level officials in the military and business.

I would disagree, Chuck Missler bought into every fantasy imaginable, Nephilim Demons and Humans procreating, Secret Bible Codes, on and on

 

[Fundamental]

This is going to sound crazy. But if you read as much is I have you will find that there is definitely certain evidence that indicates that everything is in fact revolving around the earth,
and that the earth is in fact the center of the universe.

And this is not some ancient myth I'm talking about this is the absolute latest data from from the latest and most sophisticated satellites up there.

Look up the WMAP and Planck Satellites, and the Sloan Digital sky survey. Also check out quantized redshifts data. Also check out quasar data. Check out the work oh Halton Arp.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23301-planck-shows-almost-perfect-cosmos-plus-axis-of-evil/

I have happened to study an enormous amount of data on this particular issue. And I can assure you that it is no joke my friend.

This matrix we call the universe might as well be a 2D image being projected as a 3D hologram.
Anyone seen Interstellar? What if that movie was based on people channeling through the Akashafields?
Contact from another space in time...

 

[bojack]

How will we know the difference wether they don’t want or simply can’t?

They can already add “information” of a donor to DNA. But then again, this needs to be inseminated later on. It needs to be born. In nature, without humans messing around, these genes can only be brought together by intercourse. Eugenics of this day is held back by ethical restraints, but they can go far in genetic engineering. They can add or remove stuff in DNA before insimination. (Yes this has limits but still....)

When observing natural selection in nature we see evolution is not so blind but driven on purpose. Selection happens by choice on some level. Choice/selection by consciousness makes the whole an intelligent design.

When I say ''add information'' I'm talking about like the fruit fly experiments .. The fruit flies DNA was damaged and warped in every way imaginable by dumb scientists, their juvenile thought imaginations, and experiments but they could not create any new DNA info material and certainly no beneficial info .. Who knows how many thousands of generations of fruit flies laboratory breeding involved and never anything but poor ole fruit fly with never any good mutation or new DNA info added .. Like as if GOD needed help or missed something 6000 years ago concerning fruit flies .. What then when God the Master says in His Word ''it was very good'' ?..
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[Skovand]

Selective pressures favoring random mutations is not intelligent design. Ecology drives speciation. Mimicry evolution to many at first seems like a directed path. But it’s not.

Look up the evolution of Heliconiine butterflies and passionflowers as mimicry.

 

[cv5]

Selective pressures favoring random mutations is not intelligent design. Ecology drives speciation. Mimicry evolution to many at first seems like a directed path. But it’s not.

Look up the evolution of Heliconiine butterflies and passionflowers as mimicry.

Yes environmental pressures drives speciation.
The critical flaw in your theory is: Useful new information is never added to the CODE.
All throughout biological history information has only ever been lost. Either through extinction or speciation at the very limits of its DNA signal bandwidth.

DNA code demands an intelligent designer. A truly unflappable axiom.

 

[cv5]

I would disagree, Chuck Missler bought into every fantasy imaginable, Nephilim Demons and Humans procreating, Secret Bible Codes, on and on

Chuck is of course correct in his proclamation of fallen angels mating with human women. Despite the strident protestations this is undoubtedly scriptural fact.

As for Bible codes you would have to go through that series that I suggested. And no, equidistant letter sequences ARE NOT the Cosmic Codes Chuck is speaking to in that thesis. They are vastly vastly more sophisticated than that. Do yourself a favor and listen to that series.

Chuck was definitely off-base on the number of things. He had unusual talent and therefore a different (and very effective in many ways) ministry. Different strokes for different folks. His core doctrine was definitely not heretical. Very mainline for the most part.

He was a prophecy and technology expert. I give Chuck credit (being an engineer myself) for introducing me to Christ many many years ago. And it's stuck so he must've been effective!

 

[cv5]

This matrix we call the universe might as well be a 2D image being projected as a 3D hologram.
Anyone seen Interstellar? What if that movie was based on people channeling through the Akashafields?
Contact from another space in time...

Yes I have encountered the holographic universe theory several times. It solves a lot of Cosmological problems that's for sure.

 

[bojack]

I agree about Chuck Missler too .. He has some great stuff but I think maybe some off base stuff too .. I suspected Chuck moved to NZ probably because he thought what Bush didn't finish, Obama would .. I sure was ready to get out but I was stuck having to work .. And I think when another NWO liberal gets elected by the dummies in America the stock market will crash liKe never before .. It was pretty low when Trump got elected because America was done financially ..

 

[Skovand]

Yes environmental pressures drives speciation.
The critical flaw in your theory is: Useful new information is never added to the CODE.
All throughout biological history information has only ever been lost. Either through extinction or speciation at the very limits of its DNA signal bandwidth.

Not at all. I’m not trying to sound like a jerk but I’m probably going to withdraw. I’m not saying y’all are dumb, but it’s evident that no one here has even the basics of 8th grade biology understood. Almost every other statement is so wrong I don’t even know how far back to actually go to explain it. I can’t imagine anyone here had read in the last decade even 1,000 pages worth of biological evolution. It seems that many here read creationist blogs that select random statements from studies that they are misunderstanding on purse or ignorance to frame a point that does not even exist within the study. Like the soft tissue found in T. rex. Tons of creationist sites and creationists quoted it without ever realizing that the scientist who found it is a Christian who believes all evidence supports evolution and writes how how that’s possible.

I feel as if for me personally it’s a pearl and swine type deal. The majority here don’t understand the subject and have next done contextual analysis of genesis 1-11 and so their position is not one of a academic understanding but a emotional attachment. No one here responding has googled what I mentioned and read even 3 papers on it. So I’m not wasting time. Instead, I’ll go through each chapter and write out my theological and scientific process of understanding it post it over the next few years as time permits.

 

[cv5]

I agree about Chuck Missler too .. He has some great stuff but I think maybe some off base stuff too .. I suspected Chuck moved to NZ probably because he thought what Bush didn't finish, Obama would .. I sure was ready to get out but I was stuck having to work .. And I think when another NWO liberal gets elected by the dummies in America the stock market will crash liKe never before .. It was pretty low when Trump got elected because America was done financially ..

Oh yes Chuck moved to New Zealand because he figured that the end time situation was nearing the redline in America. His family is still running that resort in New Zealand there you should take a look. Truly it is the middle of nowhere lol. Not a Walmart for hundred miles.

Supposedly Chuck was quite a wealthy man his net worth was about 80 million! A lot of tragedy in his life he lost both sons and then his wife. Poor guy. I've got a soft spot in my heart for Chuck I have to tell you.

You do know he has passed on yes?

 

[cv5]

Well........All I can say is the first thing you need to do is actually understand what is information, What is its fundamental nature and attributes and where does it come from.

DNA is digital 3 out of 4 error correcting code. It is essentially software. Biological creatures are merely the hardware. Life is a derivation of the information that begat it.

And do yourself a big favor and read into the geocentric universe theory that I earlier posted. There is a high degree of confidence that the Milky Way Galaxy is in fact the center of the universe check it out.

 

[bojack]

Short 3 minute video on a fish family evolution story .. lol

 

[UnoiAmarah]

BTW, The Bible goes to extremes to make it utterly clear that the flood was absolutely worldwide.

The LORD said, "And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud, and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh," So when did the LORD bring a cloud over the earth?

Or as he said, gird up your loins like a man and answer him, for it is demanded that you answer him-
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
declare it if you have understanding.​

I sure wish I could find these books that you are reading. Do you have any sources that I should know about?

The LORD isn't a book. While a book might be a treasure chest of knowledge, knowledge is merely data and information that allows a man that to learn of that he didn't know that he didn't even know.

If thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.​

You might read the Flood tablet shown in the video below, written before the the known time the scriptures of the Torah were first written, yet if you can't read what is written then you don't know that you don't even know if what is written about the global flood is any more true than what you believe is written in the Bible is the truth.

 

[Fundamental]

Selective pressures favoring random mutations is not intelligent design. Ecology drives speciation. Mimicry evolution to many at first seems like a directed path. But it’s not.

Look up the evolution of Heliconiine butterflies and passionflowers as mimicry.

Selection happens not so blind in nature. See how mammales choose t heir nuts, how bees select their flowers.
All this added up to the world we know today, which is selected by design.

 

[Fundamental]

When I say ''add information'' I'm talking about like the fruit fly experiments .. The fruit flies DNA was damaged and warped in every way imaginable by dumb scientists, their juvenile thought imaginations, and experiments but they could not create any new DNA info material and certainly no beneficial info .. Who knows how many thousands of generations of fruit flies laboratory breeding involved and never anything but poor ole fruit fly with never any good mutation or new DNA info added .. Like as if GOD needed help or missed something 6000 years ago concerning fruit flies .. What then when God the Master says in His Word ''it was very good'' ?..
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I fully agree bro.

But in eugenics they can add some stuff. They can now take genetic flaws out of the father and mother and replace them with a more healthy donor. So the baby born is from the mother and father, but has some parts from a different donor.
The only thing holding this back now is ethical restraint.

 

[bojack]

I fully agree bro.

But in eugenics they can add some stuff. They can now take genetic flaws out of the father and mother and replace them with a more healthy donor. So the baby born is from the mother and father, but has some parts from a different donor.
The only thing holding this back now is ethical restraint.

I am afraid of where it's going to lead, are you ?
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

There is no scientific evidence of a single giant flood covering the entire planet earth

The Genesis model I was taught holds that the entire land mass of the earth was covered under frozen waters which is based upon Genesis 1:2.

While that statement is not presented as scientific evidence because it isn't, but it is a hypothesis;

However, when one applies the water to ice ratio to the current water to land ratio it indicates that the waters on the earth would raise to vertical height above the median surface level of 2,700 feet above sea level and as well has have a horizontally expansion rate necessary to cover the entire land mass of the earth. That statement is not a hypothesis, but a axiom.

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Just for shizzle and giggles, since you don't believe what is written the OT about heavenly things then do believe what is written in the NT about earthly things? For example Luke 4:5?

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. ​

 

[Skovand]

The Genesis model I was taught holds that the entire land mass of the earth was covered under frozen waters which is based upon Genesis 1:2.

While that statement is not presented as scientific evidence because it isn't, but it is a hypothesis;

However, when one applies the water to ice ratio to the current water to land ratio it indicates that the waters on the earth would raise to vertical height above the median surface level of 2,700 feet above sea level and as well has have a horizontally expansion rate necessary to cover the entire land mass of the earth. That statement is not a hypothesis, but a axiom.

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Just for shizzle and giggles, since you don't believe what is written the OT about heavenly things then do believe what is written in the NT about earthly things? For example Luke 4:5?

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. ​

1. The Mesopotamians believed in

The Genesis model I was taught holds that the entire land mass of the earth was covered under frozen waters which is based upon Genesis 1:2.

While that statement is not presented as scientific evidence because it isn't, but it is a hypothesis;

However, when one applies the water to ice ratio to the current water to land ratio it indicates that the waters on the earth would raise to vertical height above the median surface level of 2,700 feet above sea level and as well has have a horizontally expansion rate necessary to cover the entire land mass of the earth. That statement is not a hypothesis, but a axiom.

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Just for shizzle and giggles, since you don't believe what is written the OT about heavenly things then do believe what is written in the NT about earthly things? For example Luke 4:5?

And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. ​

I believe both the Old Testament and New Testament. Genesis 1-11 is not wrote to be read as literal history. It’s wrote to be read as a Jewish mythology.

 

[Skovand]

Secondly you have to understand ancient world views vs modern world views and knowledge.

Paul says the gospel has already been heard by every creature under heaven and to the ends of the earth. Yet we know in his time the gospel did not reach Native American tribes. It’s common knowledge that within the Roman Empire those people believed and referred to the entire world as what was known throughout their Roman Empire. They did not consider americas the world because they did not even know it existed.