How old is our creation really?

[cv5]

I’ll definitely have to check it out. One of my favorite things about digging into the Torah is studying out Hebrew and doing word studies. I’m working on going through the entire Old Testament, and deutercannonical books plus books such as Enoch to tease out the patterns. One study I’m going through right now on my own, though the Talmud mentions a bit on the first part is this.

Leading up the flood we see these stories. Angels, sons of God, sleep with the daughter of men. They bore these great , potentially, giant kids who are renown. Mankind begins to built a temple within a city as if to rival the Kingdom of God and so God comes down and scatters the people and confuses them with different tongues. A giant flood wipes out all wickedness. All those stores are tied in there.

Then we come to the gospels. A war breaks out in heaven when Satan tried to destroy Jesus, presumably through Herod , and Michael casts Satan down to the earth. Fallen angels become one with humans, but not through sex like in genesis but through possession. God sends the tongues of fire into those at Pentecost allowing them all to be able to communicate as if they speak one tongue and God begins to build his Kingdom on Earth , the body and draws them all together into one.

The parallels are hyperlinked very beautifully.

Go for it. I purchased this when it first came out. I also listened to it again on audible many years later. Like two years ago lol.

https://store.khouse.org/products/cosmic-codes

Chuck Missler (God rest his soul) is the real deal. The man had credentials, Intelligence, savvy and real-world experience and he was quite well connected to high-level officials in the military and business.

 

[Fundamental]

How can you lose genetic material , you don't use the vast quantity we carry .. 24 chromosomes from each parent are selected with infinite almost possibilities through out the DNA strand from slight fingernail different shapes to hair color ..


Fruit flies are still fruit flies .. And the bacteria they said changed was actually the same bacteria on steroids they'd give it ..

Look at cows and chicken today. They lost most their genetic material because farmers only selected out those with a lot of meat on. Or cows that produce most milk. There used to be a lot more kinds of cows but after selection not one farm cow will survive nature anymore. They are geneticly changed by artificial selection.

They are still cows yes. But we do lose genetic material all the time, but by losing material you will fixate other material. This loss happens all the time. Genetic drift and fixation happen. Wether on purpose or by random events.

Key note of my previous post was that species don’t evovle by mutation but by fertilation.

 

[Fundamental]

Ha, I was talking about evolution and origin of life .. But I agree we don't know what we're talking about, especially when we go against or outside the Word ..

Socrates said that the only true wisdom is knowing you know nothing.

 

[Fundamental]

You got that right. Even parents begin telling us lies from as soon as we can understand them.

Is it any wonder we can never get the truth from here on out? And we have politicians lie to us
24/7? And then we vote the best liar into office?
A fact well established by psychologist's studies.

I as parent been teaching lies too. Thank God I got touched by His loving grace to return to the essence, which is God and the love we share given by Him. God gives the increase to anything.

I am teaching my kids very young not to believe their TV and never let any medium dictate to them who to love or hate. We had to as parents because schools have turned into liberal propaganda camps. We even have an illegal government where the biggest loser pushed new laws to raise the abortion term.
These liberals are killing the unborn as childritual for medical purposes.

It’s better for dictators that people believe they originated from fish then from a God demanding righteousness and justice
This theory of evolution had to be forcefully educated in christian schools. Christians themselves never wanted it in their schools. It’s like christian schools educating in islam too now. Rather then to educate ABOUT islam and the theory of evolution they blattant teach IN islam and ET from outside the christian perspective.

 

[Fundamental]

Mutations do occur but are deleterious/deadly to the organism.

Yes mutations happen all the time. But evolutionists should admit that they believe in pseudoscience when they see it as cause of the biodiversity today.

 

[Fundamental]

Totally agree my friend. They are experimenting with transhumanism and A.I.
The globalist satanic elite are all in on this thing. The herd is being driven in that direction right now as we speak.

The end of the age is nigh everybody. This is it we're almost there.

We will lose our life on this earth or our soul or both.

The herd is been directed before we were born. It tried many attempts over global control and is now doing it again. The influence of television and newsmediums is still beyond my comprehention. But I was once myself a believer of what this world was teaching me. See how TV reminds us constantly, narratives in tv shows etc; we are systematicly being prepped for a “new normal”.

I have experienced most people chose to live the lie because it gives them safety and comfort. Being christian isnt a comfortable position on this earth, alas.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I never said anything about it being produced by a bunch of Hebrew elitist. I was saying Moses did not invent language, or writing and that the stores he recorded by the spirit was also stories told from generation to generation and wrote down from generation to generation and was expressed as primitive pictures from generation to generation and that the stories even begin before the Hebrew language existed as evidence by very similar stories predating the Torah from other parts of Mesopotamia. So when a god inspired Moses to write it down he used symbolism moses was already familiar with.

You are right, God "invented language" and also He gave Moses the creation account to write down.

 

[bojack]

Look at cows and chicken today. They lost most their genetic material because farmers only selected out those with a lot of meat on. Or cows that produce most milk. There used to be a lot more kinds of cows but after selection not one farm cow will survive nature anymore. They are geneticly changed by artificial selection.

They are still cows yes. But we do lose genetic material all the time, but by losing material you will fixate other material. This loss happens all the time. Genetic drift and fixation happen. Wether on purpose or by random events.

Key note of my previous post was that species don’t evovle by mutation but by fertilation.

Yes, I think you can breed out materiel but you can't add information is what I believe or make it so scarce in a population ..
I had seen a type rabbit that had migrated to 3 different climate regions, 1 could breed with only one other and I think one could still breed with both others ..

 

[Skovand]

You are right, God "invented language" and also He gave Moses the creation account to write down.

God did not invent language. Genesis1-11 is wrote in a mythological manner. God set up the process with the universe that resulted in the evolutionary ecology of everything in existence. Moses wrote what he was inspired to write by God who used Moses vocabulary and worldview.

Moses wrote that the world was a flat disc floating on water protected by a space dome that kept space water off of us and that the earth was still and the sun revolved around it. That is what Moses believed and wrote.

 

[cv5]

God did not invent language. Genesis1-11 is wrote in a mythological manner. God set up the process with the universe that resulted in the evolutionary ecology of everything in existence. Moses wrote what he was inspired to write by God who used Moses vocabulary and worldview.

Moses wrote that the world was a flat disc floating on water protected by a space dome that kept space water off of us and that the earth was still and the sun revolved around it. That is what Moses believed and wrote.

I would avoid the mythological take on Genesis. Yes I'm very well aware of the Babylonian view of the cosmos. I can tell you with complete confidence that Genesis is altogether different.

The stakes are just too high to get sucked into the Babylonian/Evolutionary matrix worldview.

Ultimately the exodus account is God destroying the false Egyptian worldview.
Same goes for the apostle Paul.

For inquiring mind like yours I would recommend Chuck Missler. He's not right about everything but he certainly provides plenty of food for thought. There is tons of stuff on YouTube for free.

BTW, The plasma universe theory matches the Genesis creation account sequence perfectly.
I don't know if you know what a plasma Z-pinch is but you should find out.

 

[bojack]

God did not invent language. Genesis1-11 is wrote in a mythological manner. God set up the process with the universe that resulted in the evolutionary ecology of everything in existence. Moses wrote what he was inspired to write by God who used Moses vocabulary and worldview.

Moses wrote that the world was a flat disc floating on water protected by a space dome that kept space water off of us and that the earth was still and the sun revolved around it. That is what Moses believed and wrote.

Scripture that proves the earth is flat ? Sorry, I don't see it ...

 

[Skovand]

Scripture that proves the earth is flat ? Sorry, I don't see it ...

If you google that the earth is flat according to the Bible you’ll see multiple links that lay it out and some include things like ancient Jewish writings and word studies.

 

[Skovand]

For some reason it deleted the last chunk of statement.

In Daniel it says a tree grew from the center of the earth that was so tall the whole world could it. That’s not possible on a spherical earth.

Jesus said he was taken up onto a mountain and shown all the kinds dons of the world. Same issue as with the tree.

The Bible says God dots above the circle of the earth. The word there implies plate like, flat, and not spherical.

The Bible mentions the four corners of the earth several times. The ancient Jews did not know the world was a sphere. They believed it was a sort of round off square. Until the satellite images came back humans did not know exactly what the earth was shaped like.

Joshua mentions the sun moving around the earth. The earth though actually moved around the sun.

The Bible also says any woman who does not bleed on her marriage night is not a Virgin. But that’s not true either.

The Bible never says anything about meteorology exact thr God makes it rain.

 

[Skovand]

I would avoid the mythological take on Genesis. Yes I'm very well aware of the Babylonian view of the cosmos. I can tell you with complete confidence that Genesis is altogether different.

The stakes are just too high to get sucked into the Babylonian/Evolutionary matrix worldview.

Science does not have solid answers o abiogenesis or exactly how matter or the universe formed. What they do know is what all science, not just some or even most, but all science towards is evolution. But science plays no part in why Genesis is mythological. It’s mythological because of how it was written.

 

[bojack]

If you google that the earth is flat according to the Bible you’ll see multiple links that lay it out and some include things like ancient Jewish writings and word studies.

I don't need to google ... And I know how to apply context ''rightly dividing the word'' .. And I don't see any errors in the bible or waste time playing ''gotcha'' .. Besides, property at the east coast and many other places is pretty flat , in the mountains not so much .. Using the Pythagorean theory you can pretty much disprove flat earth using moon/sun shadows together from a triangulation perspective point on earth to prove the sun is about 400 times further away from earth than the moon is .. Three angles 90*,89* and 1*, puts the sun way outside any dome theory confinement .. Jesus said He will cast our sins as far as the east is from the west . At the equator is the only place you can travel due east in a straight line forever and if you travel due north in a straight line you will eventually change to due south until you come to the south pole then you're headed north again perpetually .. Flat earth claims you must constantly turn left, N,W,S,E like NASCAR ... LOL

 

[cv5]

For some reason it deleted the last chunk of statement.

In Daniel it says a tree grew from the center of the earth that was so tall the whole world could it. That’s not possible on a spherical earth.

Jesus said he was taken up onto a mountain and shown all the kinds dons of the world. Same issue as with the tree.

The Bible says God dots above the circle of the earth. The word there implies plate like, flat, and not spherical.

The Bible mentions the four corners of the earth several times. The ancient Jews did not know the world was a sphere. They believed it was a sort of round off square. Until the satellite images came back humans did not know exactly what the earth was shaped like.

Joshua mentions the sun moving around the earth. The earth though actually moved around the sun.

The Bible also says any woman who does not bleed on her marriage night is not a Virgin. But that’s not true either.

The Bible never says anything about meteorology exact thr God makes it rain.

There is a cosmic curveball in the Bible, commonly known as prophecy, which inevitably causes every worldly doctrine to strike out.

The nation Israel was prophesied to fail in their mandate a long long time ago practically right out of the gate......

https://biblehub.com/nkjv/deuteronomy/30.htm

Furthermore the Bible makes it clear that the prophets were writing about things that they did not nor could not understand. This of course under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit a.k.a. an outside influence.

1Pet 1:10
10Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

 

[bojack]

For some reason it deleted the last chunk of statement.

In Daniel it says a tree grew from the center of the earth that was so tall the whole world could it. That’s not possible on a spherical earth.

Jesus said he was taken up onto a mountain and shown all the kinds dons of the world. Same issue as with the tree.

The Bible says God dots above the circle of the earth. The word there implies plate like, flat, and not spherical.

The Bible mentions the four corners of the earth several times. The ancient Jews did not know the world was a sphere. They believed it was a sort of round off square. Until the satellite images came back humans did not know exactly what the earth was shaped like.

Joshua mentions the sun moving around the earth. The earth though actually moved around the sun.

The Bible also says any woman who does not bleed on her marriage night is not a Virgin. But that’s not true either.

The Bible never says anything about meteorology exact thr God makes it rain.

We had a 5,000 gal chemical tank built and set .. An engineer noticed a site glass 24'' higher than planned so while they were arguing I went and built a 24'' platform with two steps, actually it had already been built I just cut and welded the steps and took it just outside the shop and it fit perfect .. I said ''there ya go, I lowered the site glass 24 inches'' .. Same difference as Joshua ..

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[cv5]

For some reason it deleted the last chunk of statement.

In Daniel it says a tree grew from the center of the earth that was so tall the whole world could it. That’s not possible on a spherical earth.

Jesus said he was taken up onto a mountain and shown all the kinds dons of the world. Same issue as with the tree.

The Bible says God dots above the circle of the earth. The word there implies plate like, flat, and not spherical.

The Bible mentions the four corners of the earth several times. The ancient Jews did not know the world was a sphere. They believed it was a sort of round off square. Until the satellite images came back humans did not know exactly what the earth was shaped like.

Joshua mentions the sun moving around the earth. The earth though actually moved around the sun.

The Bible also says any woman who does not bleed on her marriage night is not a Virgin. But that’s not true either.

The Bible never says anything about meteorology exact thr God makes it rain.

This is going to sound crazy. But if you read as much is I have you will find that there is definitely certain evidence that indicates that everything is in fact revolving around the earth,
and that the earth is in fact the center of the universe.

And this is not some ancient myth I'm talking about this is the absolute latest data from from the latest and most sophisticated satellites up there.

Look up the WMAP and Planck Satellites, and the Sloan Digital sky survey. Also check out quantized redshifts data. Also check out quasar data. Check out the work oh Halton Arp.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23301-planck-shows-almost-perfect-cosmos-plus-axis-of-evil/

I have happened to study an enormous amount of data on this particular issue. And I can assure you that it is no joke my friend.

 

[cv5]

Heads Up! New Large Asteroid 'SW 2020' To Fly Below Our Satellites, Nasa says, Tomorrow Morning

 

[Skovand]

I’ll be honest I doubt that there is any real evidence for our universe being centered around our planet. But congrats for being theologically consistent with what the Bible teaches as science.