Are the words of Jesus not for Christians?

[John146]

That's like saying "the only remedy for a stomach ache is Paul's command to drink wine."

You nor anyone else knows if one can "lose" one's salvation.

The prodigal came back (was lost and removed himself)
Paul said "suffer shipwreck"
Paul said "the last state is worse than the first"
And "I have delivered such a one over to satan..."

Osas is full of holes

The only holes that show up is when one does not properly rightly divide the Scriptures...

Paulines say not to? What is a Pauline? Not to what?

 

[Kolistus]

Allow me to make this very clear once again. I Was not and have not been taught by any man. I have always done my own personal studies. I look up and study all of related scriptures. I do the studying! I do not adopt and repeat the teachings of men.



Just FYI, the Roman Catholic religion is not Christian, but is a counterfeit Church. Anyone who has truly studied the word of God only need to do a cursory examination to come to the conclusion that she is not of Christ. I could start with that idolatrous Egyptian obelisk that is sitting out in St. Peter's square. This does not glorify God in any way, shape or form, no matter what apologetics people come up with.

The RCC's understanding saved by grace is not supported by God's word. They believe that once a person is baptized that all of that persons sins are forgiven up to that point. Sins that are committed after that are absolved through priests who dole out God's grace through sacraments, such as saying a specific number of hail Mary's, which is not scriptural whatsoever! The word of God tells believers to go directly to God the Father in the name of His Son. There is not need for priest to be our mediator, for we already have a mediator, Jesus Christ. Then there is this nonsense of transubstantiation where when people partake of the Eucharist, that they are eating the literal flesh and blood of Christ. If can except it, Roman Catholicism is the woman who will ride the beast.



"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

And this was fulfilled. We read in the gospels, acts and other NT books, that Peter, Paul, John and other apostles fulfilled those signs. But remember also what the other scriptures say regarding this:

Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? But eagerly desire the greater gifts."

The answer to all of the questions above is 'NO!' Not everyone has the same gifts, but according to what the Spirit gives.

I continue to say this, we need to take into consideration all related scriptures on any given subject, not just some.

Amazing post! Someone should pin this!

 

[lenna]

sadly pride is a major thing, many believe pauls thorn in the flesh was to keep his pride in check, maybe we all need a thorn to keep our pride in check

well I wouldn't ask for one

Bible says to humble ourselves....maybe learn more about that

I really don't know about the 'thorn in the flesh', other than Paul asked I think 3x's? to have it removed and God told him His strength was sufficient for Paul...

 

[lenna]

It doesn’t sound like a group of scholars who love the Lord with all their heart.

well no

but my point being we now see Christians dismissing much of what Jesus said...while saying they do believe of course

the world, secular religion, seems to be having a big impact on even doctrines that were once sacrosanct

 

[lenna]

Well, you read the scripture for yourself. If someone is a believer, but holds a grudge not willing to forgive a fellow believer, then Jesus says of that person, neither heavenly Father forgive you. In fact in the context, the man was originally forgiven all his debt, but when he would not have compassion on his fellow believer, his sins were reinstated.

this is another point you bring up here that I did not mention

I have heard and read where people adopting this 'gospels are not for Christians' will say we do not need to do make things right with others.

nothing could be more wrong. people will never be one in Christ if they hold grudges and dislike other believers and this divisive spirit is alive and well all over the place

glad you brought this up cause it is an integral part of it all.

FORGIVE AS YOU HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN

Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:32

what people need to understand is that forgiveness is not an emotion, it is a decision. hanging on to bitterness and the desire for revenge destroys us from the inside out and science will even bear that out

sometimes forgiveness is a process. praying for the person that hurt you or whatever often helps

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well I wouldn't ask for one

Bible says to humble ourselves....maybe learn more about that

I really don't know about the 'thorn in the flesh', other than Paul asked I think 3x's? to have it removed and God told him His strength was sufficient for Paul...

I would not ask either lol

 

[lenna]

I would not ask either lol

what's that verse? sufficient for the day is the evil thereof? in Matthew somewhere (I tend to remember verses in the KJ cause I was brought up on it)

I like to say 'don't look for trouble. it will come along all by itself'

 

[lenna]

That's not what I said. If anyone is experiencing those gifts, then they were obviously given to them by the Spirit.

just so!

 

[lenna]

The teaching that every believer should have these gifts is dangerous, because it creates churches where unless they perform them, then they are deemed as not saved. So quest what?! You get churches where everyone and his brother is speaking in languages, because nobody wants to be labeled as not saved. So what you have is a bunch of people just babbling and calling it speaking in languages.

heard some real doozies myself but also heard the genuine

people are so turned off by some of these so called 'manifestations' and I can't blame them, but it is wrong to call people demonic or that they all speak from a demonic spirit as some have done

I think your approach is probably the right one

 

[lenna]

I agree with you that we ought to forgive others sins, since God forgave us of our great sins against him.

But if I don't, what do you think will happen? By what you are saying, I would be thrown into the fire and burned. Again, are you saying that means I would have lost my salvation?

well what do YOU think? what does God say about that? do any of us know better that God or have the power to over ride what He says?

 

[lenna]

Then the osas type thinker decides when to pull the default "oh well they never were saved"

major roadblock to accepting what the NT states plainly and for all to read

keep the faith!

well or you might hear 'then you are working for salvation'

nah. we are supposed to be taking on the character of Christ...too many want to take on the character of the person giving their 'opinion' cause it fits in better with their paradigm

I also think that is why people are saying not all the words of Christ apply to us. those people, you know the ones who were so disobedient, are the ones He was talking to

I don't think you will say that when Jesus looks into your eyes and you cannot look back

better to meet His gaze now and love Him now

 

[John146]

well what do YOU think? what does God say about that? do any of us know better that God or have the power to over ride what He says?

The Bible says my sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ based upon believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. My sins being washed have nothing to do with me forgiving others. Should I forgive others? Absolutely, but my salvation is not dependent upon it.

 

[John146]

major roadblock to accepting what the NT states plainly and for all to read

keep the faith!

well or you might hear 'then you are working for salvation'

nah. we are supposed to be taking on the character of Christ...too many want to take on the character of the person giving their 'opinion' cause it fits in better with their paradigm

The NT is not in force until after the resurrection of Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

what's that verse? sufficient for the day is the evil thereof? in Matthew somewhere (I tend to remember verses in the KJ cause I was brought up on it)

I like to say 'don't look for trouble. it will come along all by itself'

I do the same (quote KJV) for same reason
amen. That’s why we should look to serve not to be served

 

[lenna]

The NT is not in force until after the resurrection of Christ.

well then we should make the gospels part of the Old Testament

 

[Magenta]

....in fact I believe osas thinking can be a pass to live a carnal christian life.

Then the osas type thinker decides when to pull the default "oh well they never were saved"

As if they know that.

They don't

So John lied?

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged
to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

 

[lenna]

The Bible says my sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ based upon believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. My sins being washed have nothing to do with me forgiving others. Should I forgive others? Absolutely, but my salvation is not dependent upon it.

right

because the gospels don't apply to us

nor Acts

nor James

9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister[c] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.
I John 2

 

[lenna]

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

isn't the key to understanding the above as a reference to those with an anti Christ spirit?

that would be a particular class of people and does not mean everyone as is so often interpreted

these are false teachers. anti Christs are false teachers

 

[Magenta]

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

isn't the key to understanding the above as a reference to those with an anti Christ spirit?

that would be a particular class of people and does not mean everyone as is so often interpreted

these are false teachers. anti Christs are false teachers

Anyone not confessing Jesus is an enemy of God with the spirit of the anti-Christ (as per 1 John 4:3).

 

[stepbystep]

Surely you would agree that not every statement by Jesus in the 4 gospels are for the Body of Christ today? Matthew 10:5 and Matthew 15:24 are some examples.

Sadly, that borders on an insulting statement concerning the Gospel of Jesus.

Both Scriptures you cherry picked have true value for the church today. In that they have true value, they are for the church today. All teachings of Jesus have true value for the church today, thus, they are all for the church today.

The idea of a two gospel ideology is an affront to the Gospel of Jesus in my opinion. Jesus came to earth to shed his blood on the cross of Calvary for all men! Thus, his Gospel is for all men!