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Most everything that Jesus said to His disciples, promises, rebukes, etc., even before Pentecost, is applied to all believers. For example:
"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, spoke a blessing and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, saying, “Take it; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it. He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many. Truly I tell you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.”
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
The Lord instituted the breaking of bread with His disciples, but is applied to all who would believe in Him throughout the entire church period. And the second scripture is likewise to be applied to all believers.
"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, spoke a blessing and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, saying, “Take it; this is My body.”
Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it. He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many. Truly I tell you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.”
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
The Lord instituted the breaking of bread with His disciples, but is applied to all who would believe in Him throughout the entire church period. And the second scripture is likewise to be applied to all believers.
God has various good news given to different audience during different time periods
God told Abraham the good news he will have many descendants like the stars of heaven and the sand in the shore in genesis 15
God told David the good news that a descendant from him will be ruling from his throne in 2 samuel
God told Israel the good news, after about 400 years of complete silence, that this descendant from David is finally here in the flesh, to usher them into that promised kingdom of heaven on earth in Luke 1
Finally after Israel the nation rejected the messiah for the final time by stoning Stephen, God announced to the whole world the good news thru the apostle Paul that, all of us, gentiles or Jews can be saved thru believing in Jesus death burial and resurrection (Romans 11:11, 1 cor 15:1-4)
You can now understand how God is not a liar, even if the content of the good news has changed throughout the ages?
God told Abraham the good news he will have many descendants like the stars of heaven and the sand in the shore in genesis 15
God told David the good news that a descendant from him will be ruling from his throne in 2 samuel
God told Israel the good news, after about 400 years of complete silence, that this descendant from David is finally here in the flesh, to usher them into that promised kingdom of heaven on earth in Luke 1
Finally after Israel the nation rejected the messiah for the final time by stoning Stephen, God announced to the whole world the good news thru the apostle Paul that, all of us, gentiles or Jews can be saved thru believing in Jesus death burial and resurrection (Romans 11:11, 1 cor 15:1-4)
You can now understand how God is not a liar, even if the content of the good news has changed throughout the ages?
Agreed! Likewise, there are groups out there who consider Paul a false apostle and therefore reject his writings as being the word of God. However, by doing so they are getting rid of a lot of scriptural information and promises such as the living being changed and caught up in I Thess.4:16-18 and I Cor.15:51-53, as well as a myriad of others. And by doing so they put themselves under the same condemnation as those mentioned in 2 Peter 3:16 who He said were ignorant and unstable people and that they did so to their own destruction.
Definitely not a good idea to remove books or information from the word of God
Definitely not a good idea to remove books or information from the word of God
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Great post, by the way. Very informative.
I usually handle situations like this similar to the way I would handle a confrontation with an atheist, by not enganging with them at all.
It is my opinion that all attempts at expressing your viewpoint to these rocks with legs is a futile waste of your precious time.
You will always lose. Why? Because we come at it from a viewpoint of believing what the bible says, whereas these people have already made up their mind that every word in the bible is false.
My advice: agree to disagree until the Holy Spirit opens the door.
I usually handle situations like this similar to the way I would handle a confrontation with an atheist, by not enganging with them at all.
It is my opinion that all attempts at expressing your viewpoint to these rocks with legs is a futile waste of your precious time.
You will always lose. Why? Because we come at it from a viewpoint of believing what the bible says, whereas these people have already made up their mind that every word in the bible is false.
My advice: agree to disagree until the Holy Spirit opens the door.
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"Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Jesus also said the following to His disciples and all believers:
"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours." - Matt. 6:14-15
And
"Then the master summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave all your debt because you begged me. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’ In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed.
That is how My heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”
But all that said, I did put into my post that most everything that Jesus said to His disciples is to be applied to all believers. There are of course things that He said to them that was for them specifically.
Jesus also said the following to His disciples and all believers:
"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours." - Matt. 6:14-15
And
"Then the master summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave all your debt because you begged me. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’ In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed.
That is how My heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”
But all that said, I did put into my post that most everything that Jesus said to His disciples is to be applied to all believers. There are of course things that He said to them that was for them specifically.
So I guess depending on how you were taught, the church you attend, all of us will have different ideas on which apply and which don't.
The Roman Catholics for example, take John 20:23 very seriously, in their priestly duties. No other church really cares about that verse though.
As for Mark 16:16-18, its most fascinating. The Church of Christ and some others would take Mark 16:16 seriously but reject 17 and 18.
Charismatics would however, take 17 and 18 seriously but reject 16 in terms of water baptism being necessary for salvation.
The Roman Catholics for example, take John 20:23 very seriously, in their priestly duties. No other church really cares about that verse though.
As for Mark 16:16-18, its most fascinating. The Church of Christ and some others would take Mark 16:16 seriously but reject 17 and 18.
Charismatics would however, take 17 and 18 seriously but reject 16 in terms of water baptism being necessary for salvation.
I thought the only way unto salvation is through the message of the cross? It seems you are the one who believes in dual salvation plans.
Only by trusting in the shed blood of Jesus can a man be saved. But you are saying that if one believes something other than that specific message, one can be saved. What gives? Is it the shed blood of Christ or not?
Only by trusting in the shed blood of Jesus can a man be saved. But you are saying that if one believes something other than that specific message, one can be saved. What gives? Is it the shed blood of Christ or not?
Most of the time, those that stand fast on the "there has always been only one gospel" doctrine, when you ask them what exactly is the content of that one gospel, they will reply in some vague broad point "its about faith in Jesus, believe in Jesus etc".
Then when you asked them how the OT saints believe in Jesus, that one gospel, when he is not even sent to Earth yet, they will fall back on the "Oh, they were looking forward to the Cross", an equally vague explanation.
Then when you asked them how the OT saints believe in Jesus, that one gospel, when he is not even sent to Earth yet, they will fall back on the "Oh, they were looking forward to the Cross", an equally vague explanation.