How old is our creation really?

[Fundamental]

Which paper was the most profound to me would be one about passionflowers and and butterflies and the development of mimicry. The paper about soft tissue in the T. rex was really cool. The evolution of fruit of the pawpaw trees related to the consumption of the mega fauna like the giant American ground sloth was really neat. The papers on the genetic influence of Homo neanderthalensis on early H. sapiens in Eastern Europe vs albinism resulting in the modern “ European” was very neat. But my favorite is definitely papers by Estefania Fernandez.

Fair enough.

And those have convinced you are living on an old earth being mutated by other species over a billion years? Being roughly visible half a billion year ago ? That there is any man on earth smart enough to combine all this data and get to a point “aha we came from fish 450 million years ago”? Do you really?
Would it not be more logical to say there was simply more bio diversity on earth which got whiped out by a global disaster leaving few behind? While they have not evolved over millions of years but we are getting back up at our feet since few thousand years ago?
And whatever the case may be, we simpy will never know.

But it’s hard to ignore all what’s been left behind by our very own ancestors on earth. I just don’t see why the global flood would be a myth (when different continents share similair stories) while bones in the ground could add up to millions of pdf’’s online being taken serious.

The Bible speaks of interbreeding with humans, that explains those different humanoid bones in the ground to me. Even Jacob and Esau share total different physical aspects.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Again, I’m not an atheist by any means. Before I even believed in evolution strongly or gave much thought to it by studying Hebrew and studying patterns of the Tanakh and seeing what other scholars teased out of the stories and studying literature analysis it became clear a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 was not an honest understanding of the story. Same for Job and Jonah. Both of those stories are clearly wrote as fictional tales to convey a truth. Jesus himself used many fictional parables and examples and finally in revelation we see it being really used to create a artistic tale.

I'm not saying that you're an atheist, I'm saying that evolutionary biology is atheistic. It's a deception to draw men away from God through appealing to our sense of reality.

Dissecting the various proposals to rescue faith by abandoning the literal reading doesn't address the underlying issue. It ignores the 800 lbs gorilla by distracting itself and treating the situation as an intellectual problem. But the heart of the matter is spiritual.

If you are honest and open with yourself you will eventually come to a point, a discovery of some fact, that makes the charade impossible to maintain. You'll have to decide which master you will serve.

 

[bojack]

I’m sorry bro, not myself lately

Well that is what we see. We can take 2 different genetic variations and if they are interbreedable (sorry for that word lol) get a new genetic variation out of that.
We see with dogs for instance that evolution through selection is not caused by mutations but by interbreeding. This happens in ONE generation without needing millions of years.
Since “99” procent of earths bio diversity that ever existed has already gone extinct, it is fair to say we had different genepools being caused by interbreeding in the past.
chickens we eat today are selected out and breeded out of a specific genepool too and grow faster then any species in nature.

In nature genetic codes are only isolated through genetic drift, but that is a different story then natural selection. Those are practicly opposites.

There are restrictions in genetic codes per kind , you can breed for 6000 yrs but if it ain't in there you can't create it .. There are limits you can't go past and like I mentioned before ''God could have triggers coded into DNA'' but I can't admit information can be created by a man or animal at will .. Breed some 6 legged turkeys like John Madden used to have on thanksgiving NFL and I'll consider .. lol .. And just because I got 3 toes on one foot and 7 on the other don't mean I can't count to ten lol .. love discussing these things by the way

 

[bojack]

That’s not accurate. Darwin did not steal the ideas. He was already independently working on it. He ran into many problems along the way including ships sinking and having to almost start over from the beginning.

He made very good observations. Even down to considering spiders use electricity to fly through the sky. Which they do.

Since then we’ve had thousands of scientists from every culture, race, faith, and nationality focus on specific areas of topic within dozens of scientific friends and they all support evolution.

Darwin and his simple single cell .. SMH
At least watch from 8 min .. In other videos Dr James Tour is presently working on reattaching severed optic nerves, spinal cords and regaining connections to heal paralysis .. He has video of a rat they severed its spine at the neck and in 3-4 weeks it was back running around , he also invented a way to produce nano carbon sheets cheaply and using unsorted regular garbage plastic waste ..

 

[Skovand]

I'm not saying that you're an atheist, I'm saying that evolutionary biology is atheistic. It's a deception to draw men away from God through appealing to our sense of reality.

Dissecting the various proposals to rescue faith by abandoning the literal reading doesn't address the underlying issue. It ignores the 800 lbs gorilla by distracting itself and treating the situation as an intellectual problem. But the heart of the matter is spiritual.

If you are honest and open with yourself you will eventually come to a point, a discovery of some fact, that makes the charade impossible to maintain. You'll have to decide which master you will serve.

Again, this is not a conflict of faith and science. Faith and science are not two masters. There is one master and that is God. I don’t have any doubt whatsoever about God. Science is not atheistic. That includes evolutionary biology. Evolution is not related to atheism at all. By being 100% honest with myself I’m able to easily see God clearly used evolution to get us here. Then unrelated to that I’m able to clearly see that genesis 1-11 is not meant to be taken as a literal story. It’s clearly mythological. It was wrote to be mythological. I’ll never have an issue of choosing faith vs science because they are not at war. Science is not at war with the Bible. It’s at war with one interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Skovand]

Darwin and his simple single cell .. SMH
At least watch from 8 min .. In other videos Dr James Tour is presently working on reattaching severed optic nerves, spinal cords and regaining connections to heal paralysis .. He has video of a rat they severed its spine at the neck and in 3-4 weeks it was back running around , he also invented a way to produce nano carbon sheets cheaply and using unsorted regular garbage plastic waste ..

I’ve been reading and watching things by James Tour since 2008. He had some interesting podcasts.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Do you think that’s the question I was asking when I said look at their lineages? Because I asked also about their genealogy right? I imagine most wont even know what they are looking at when they read them though. ThTs why I asked instead of telling. To really learn you must be willing to study something out and be noble like the believing Berean jews.

If you are asking/telling us about the meaning of the genealogies, I have been sharing it on this site for a long time.

Revelation in the names of Genesis 5

ADAM– “man” / “mankind” (Root word “Adamah” which means “earth”
SET – “Appointed” / “Appointed another seed”
ENOSH – “Mortal” / “Being Mortal” from the Hebrew Root word “Anash”
KENAN – “Sorrow”
MAHALALEL – Consists of two Hebrew words:“Mahalal” which means “Blessed’ / “Praised” and “EL” which means God. The name thus means: “Blessed/Praised of YHVH”
YERED – “Shall Descend” / “Shall come down”
CHANOCH (ENOCH) – means “teaching” “To teach/instruct people”
MATUSHELACH – consists of two Hebrew words:
Met – which means “death”
Shelach – which means “Shall bring forth” Put them together and it reads “Death shall bring forth”
LAMECH–“Despairing” / “Those in despair”
NOACH– “Comfort” / “Rest”

Together: “Man/Mankind appointed mortal sorrow. The blessed/praised of YHVH shall descend/come down and teach/instruct people that His death shall bring, those in despair, comfort/rest.

Revilation in Cain's lineage

Adam - Mankind
Cain – spear / fleshly action or fixity
Enoch – teaching / instruct
Irad – fugitive or sequester (isolate)
Mehujael – blotted out from God/ smitten from God
Methusael – man who is of God
Lamech – those in despair

Mankind in its fixity will teach/instruct to isolate yourself from YHWH like a fugitive and be blotted out from YHWH, and man who is from God will be in despair.

 

[bojack]

If you are asking/telling us about the meaning of the genealogies, I have been sharing it on this site for a long time.

Revelation in the names of Genesis 5

ADAM– “man” / “mankind” (Root word “Adamah” which means “earth”
SET – “Appointed” / “Appointed another seed”
ENOSH – “Mortal” / “Being Mortal” from the Hebrew Root word “Anash”
KENAN – “Sorrow”
MAHALALEL – Consists of two Hebrew words:“Mahalal” which means “Blessed’ / “Praised” and “EL” which means God. The name thus means: “Blessed/Praised of YHVH”
YERED – “Shall Descend” / “Shall come down”
CHANOCH (ENOCH) – means “teaching” “To teach/instruct people”
MATUSHELACH – consists of two Hebrew words:
Met – which means “death”
Shelach – which means “Shall bring forth” Put them together and it reads “Death shall bring forth”
LAMECH–“Despairing” / “Those in despair”
NOACH– “Comfort” / “Rest”

Together: “Man/Mankind appointed mortal sorrow. The blessed/praised of YHVH shall descend/come down and teach/instruct people that His death shall bring, those in despair, comfort/rest.

Revilation in Cain's lineage

Adam - Mankind
Cain – spear / fleshly action or fixity
Enoch – teaching / instruct
Irad – fugitive or sequester (isolate)
Mehujael – blotted out from God/ smitten from God
Methusael – man who is of God
Lamech – those in despair

Mankind in its fixity will teach/instruct to isolate yourself from YHWH like a fugitive and be blotted out from YHWH, and man who is from God will be in despair.

I learned something new , thanx .. May our Lord send a mighty repentance across the lands and revive us all in the Spirit .. Amen

 

[bojack]

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[Lucy-Pevensie]

Nobody denies mutations. The earliest fossil is a cyanobacteria. They say all life originated from an algae. From algae to pods to fish to amphebians to reptiles to birds to mammals to humans.
All this can happen if you simply choose to believe in an old earth and magical mutations.

I choose God did it.

Nobody denies mutations but I can't believe that mutations are improvements. In order to accept evolution as it is taught today we are expected to accept that accidental damage has changed one species into a completely new & perfect species.

 

[Fundamental]

There are restrictions in genetic codes per kind , you can breed for 6000 yrs but if it ain't in there you can't create it .. There are limits you can't go past and like I mentioned before ''God could have triggers coded into DNA'' but I can't admit information can be created by a man or animal at will .. Breed some 6 legged turkeys like John Madden used to have on thanksgiving NFL and I'll consider .. lol .. And just because I got 3 toes on one foot and 7 on the other don't mean I can't count to ten lol .. love discussing these things by the way

I fully agree bojack
When we see what we can achieve in dogs in merely one generation; what could 6000 years do in a world with a much richer bio diversity? Biodiversity isn’t evolving into more, it’s shrinking leaving less and less genetic variation behind. Thus having fixated most species today.

Also in Genesis we read there was more human genetic material. Sons of Gods had children with humanoid women. There were a lot more humankinds roaming this earth but simply vanished of this earth.
People digging up their bones today come up with the wildest theories, but refuse to take eyewitnesses from the past as real.

It’s in our Bible more then in our schoolbooks (origins).

 

[Fundamental]

Again, this is not a conflict of faith and science. Faith and science are not two masters. There is one master and that is God. I don’t have any doubt whatsoever about God. Science is not atheistic. That includes evolutionary biology. Evolution is not related to atheism at all. By being 100% honest with myself I’m able to easily see God clearly used evolution to get us here. Then unrelated to that I’m able to clearly see that genesis 1-11 is not meant to be taken as a literal story. It’s clearly mythological. It was wrote to be mythological. I’ll never have an issue of choosing faith vs science because they are not at war. Science is not at war with the Bible. It’s at war with one interpretation of the Bible.

Have you read a book of Richard Dawkins to name one?
It’s a full on attack against creationism. They lost btw.

Catholic schools may have adopted this theory in their schools. But that doesn’t stop us for exposing their lies.

 

[bojack]

I fully agree bojack
When we see what we can achieve in dogs in merely one generation; what could 6000 years do in a world with a much richer bio diversity? Biodiversity isn’t evolving into more, it’s shrinking leaving less and less genetic variation behind. Thus having fixated most species today.

Also in Genesis we read there was more human genetic material. Sons of Gods had children with humanoid women. There were a lot more humankinds roaming this earth but simply vanished of this earth.
People digging up their bones today come up with the wildest theories, but refuse to take eyewitnesses from the past as real.

It’s in our Bible more then in our schoolbooks (origins).

I never ruled out god creating other ''man'' on the 6th day .. In fact I think genesis states it .. But those who think Adam and Eve were the only two in the beginning I can not refute or have any problem .. As long as I operate within the confines of the Word or disregard direct statements such as 6 days of morning and evening = 1 day each .. I had stated in an earlier post you tell your kids '' you can play and explore anywhere in the yard but don't get out of the yard '' ...

 

[Fundamental]

Nobody denies mutations but I can't believe that mutations are improvements. In order to accept evolution as it is taught today we are expected to accept that accidental damage has changed one species into a completely new & perfect species.

That is what they are basiscly teaching. That gradual mutations over millions of years add up to a new species. I see them confusing different species with other ones.

We clearly see there were different kinds of humans roaming the past. But I can not clearly see we evolved out of fish or share a common ancestor with apes.

What I really see? God created something perfect but there were opposite forces. Forces God said not to get wise in. But we as species gave ourselves over to knowledge and we got changed by fallen angels. God had to intervene with a global disaster leaving only the genetic material of few behind.

We think eugenics is new? I think it was there ever since mankind got corrupted by evil forces to hijack this world. These fallen angels have been trying to create their own human in the past and they are doing it now again. They want to connect us to a digital network you and I know nothing about (yet). But we see it’s here already in some sleeping form getting more active each day.

The Agent Smith out of the Matrix might very soon be a genuine charactar in this real world. Now it is still spiritual and digital, but may soon be very very physical.

 

[bojack]

Have you read a book of Richard Dawkins to name one?
It’s a full on attack against creationism. They lost btw.

Catholic schools may have adopted this theory in their schools. But that doesn’t stop us for exposing their lies.

Dawkins, get a load of this Bro .. lol .. Dawkins should have his answer ready and waiting but he still doesn't have a clue outside his godless fantasy ..

 

[Fundamental]

I never ruled out god creating other ''man'' on the 6th day .. In fact I think genesis states it .. But those who think Adam and Eve were the only two in the beginning I can not refute or have any problem .. As long as I operate within the confines of the Word or disregard direct statements such as 6 days of morning and evening = 1 day each .. I had stated in an earlier post you tell your kids '' you can play and explore anywhere in the yard but don't get out of the yard '' ...

I asked this once on the forum.
Are the people in Genesis the same as the people in Genesis 2? Seems Adam was created for different reasons then those in Genesis 1.
The only command was not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Yet Adam and Eve did so and by that lost acces to the tree of eternal life.

We may not take this story too literal as Moses must’ve simpled it out for all mankind to understand. Moses came from an empire with libaries bigger then most countries have today. I think he had no other choice to put it in a nutshell and prioritize content.
A 6 year old can understand what God is saying in Genesis 1 but it takes as an adult a lot of faith and investigations to really and try to understand what went on. And yet we’ll never know

 

[bojack]

I saw one of them explaining how a land animal grew into a whale saying over eons the nostrils began to merge and move from the snout and become a present day blowhole on their back Bwahahahaha .. And become a perfect sea creature straining out plankton to eat .. I say get that man a straight jacket who says this type thing being serious ..

And the life cycle of the guinea worm is the most incredible thing ever , there are no chances ..

 

[Fundamental]

Dawkins, get a load of this Bro .. lol .. Dawkins should have his answer ready and waiting but he still doesn't have a clue outside his godless fantasy ..

I have seen that one
And in some way he has a strong point. Although they are so persistent in the wrong model by ignoring the hand of God, a creator.

We share genetic variation coming from our mother and father. BUT We lose/gain genetic material by insemination. Not by mutation
We as humans have done selection through insemination over and over again.

Even when they create crops or animals in labs, they need to inseminate to get to an actual F1 generation. Selection doesn’t require mutation, it takes what is there and reorganises it.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Genesis 1-11 is not wrote in a manner to be taken literally.

So do you think Matthew 1:1 should be taken literally?

So if Genesis 1:1 isn't written in a manner to be taken literally then how do you create a universe unless you begin with an expanse of space? In the beginning God created the heaven, So what is that expanse of space but a body of matter. and the earth,

So the Genesis model begins with a spherical body of space that was created in the beginning of the universe.

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I think the Holy Ghost wrote the scriptures of the Torah to be taken literally since that is the way he teaches the precepts within them.

 

[bojack]

I asked this once on the forum.
Are the people in Genesis the same as the people in Genesis 2? Seems Adam was created for different reasons then those in Genesis 1.
The only command was not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Yet Adam and Eve did so and by that lost acces to the tree of eternal life.

We may not take this story too literal as Moses must’ve simpled it out for all mankind to understand. Moses came from an empire with libaries bigger then most countries have today. I think he had no other choice to put it in a nutshell and prioritize content.
A 6 year old can understand what God is saying in Genesis 1 but it takes as an adult a lot of faith and investigations to really and try to understand what went on. And yet we’ll never know

Yes, I believe Adam was created on the 6th day and placed in the garden .. But while he and eve lived in the garden the others which could have been as few as 6 that could include genetics all the races or Adam could have contained all the material himself .. The outside bunch had a 130 yr head start populating the earth before Cain was conceived outside the garden then more time after plus he grew up .. Abel was killed and Seth come along to replace him, more time .. Population can grow pretty quick where there's no TV . My clue is Noah's sons married daughter and could have been beautiful daughters of any race to re populate earth .. And mrs noah could have been genetically diverse from Noah, Noah himself probably was imo .. I also don't believe God ever approved of marrying sisters or extreme close kin .. On a side note I also don't believe Sarah was Abrahams 1/2 sister .. More probably a cousin ..