How old is our creation really?

[GandalfTheWhite]

Read Cain’s lineage and then Seth’s lineage. The point of their place in scripture is within the context of what’s wrote. It’s a small but beneficial berean study showcasing the pattern set up throughout the Bible about eternal life vs destruction. Righteousness vs sin.

Cain and Seth's lineage is Adam

 

[Fundamental]

If he created everything on the sixth day, why do we not find fossils in the say geological layers? Why do we not find humans in the same layer as T-Rex? Why do we not find giant american sloths in the same layer as the earliest ferns? We see distinct ecosystems and habitats in different layers and when we get ice core samples , and compare it to the microscopic layers in petrified woods within layers all dating to the same time we see similar chemical compositions that clue us into things like the atmosphere. We see different life forms in different layers. We see different chemical compositions in these layers. When we check these layers in America against the same layer in China we see the same indicators. For example, if we go back far enough we see reptiles but we don’t see mammals. We can go back so far that only tetrapods exists and there are no bipedal animals. We can go back through layers and see conifers, but no angiosperms. The layers line up with dozens of radiometric dating methods depending on which ones we need to narrow in on a date. If we go back we stop seeing tools being used. We see no bones with tool made scars or tool scarring patterns on it. Then we begin seeing some and see them get more and more complex.
That’s in direct contradiction to the unscientific notion that everything was created within literal six days of one another.

Have you ever seen layers form over time and compared the pace of those in each different region?
Do you honestly believe that forming layers on a world with different climates worldwide is consistent?

They calculate oxygen and carbon in ice layers and measure out how old that piece is. But they don’t know anything about the conditions on earth when that ice was formed. Vulcanic eruptions can screw a lot up. Radiometric datings are for instance already screwed up due to Fukushima.
Scientists not knowing this 1000 years from now will not be able to explain what they are reading without knowing all conditions.

Why would scientists today know the conditions of our earth thousands of years ago? Let alone stand millions!

 

[Fundamental]

We see helpful mutations now within viruses. Junk DNA is a misunderstood statement by most lay people. You can check out the writings by the Christian scientist , Francis Collins, who lead the human genome project and is one of the leading geneticists in the world. He explains the genetic side of these arguments and why the whole “ dna/rna” speciation without evolution is simply not plausible.

The fossil record also undermines it. As stated in a post prior to this one. As we go back further and further we can see the morphological developments within clades.
For example what is the earliest fossils of tetrapods? Are their canines found in any of the geological layers at that point? If not, then what was the first one? What’s the first mammalian bipedal creature? Why is not found in the same layers as the earliest tetrapods?

Nobody denies mutations. The earliest fossil is a cyanobacteria. They say all life originated from an algae. From algae to pods to fish to amphebians to reptiles to birds to mammals to humans.
All this can happen if you simply choose to believe in an old earth and magical mutations.

I choose God did it.

 

[Fundamental]

I was talking about simple content and understanding in any language not code or secret hidden code ..

Then even in my most simplest reading I still bump unto mysteries demanding faith to overcome all doubt.

Absolutely true .. The Word of God creates not only the physical world and upholds it but even within a physical world and if Jesus turned the water into wine then all is true as He spoke, speaks and inspired to write and even beyond if we hear His voice on a matter that becomes substance once you hear answered prayer in prayer .. You can take it to the bank ...We don't speak it enough .. But otherwise the most faithless nonbeliever can rely on physical law 100% . Unless God intervenes supernaturally at His will or our request according to our faith ... What goes up must come down dependable .. LOL . The chicken definitely came first .. And a chicken laid it with genetics created from the original created kind .. I actually remember thinking about that question before I believed in God .. Even thinking whatever laid the first chicken egg was not a chicken lolol, how ridiculous and a waste of time that was ..

LOL it is a waste of time. But what if 2 different genetic codes added up to chickens we know today? Isn’t the one born out of the egg the one and only new species? Making its egg the first.

 

[Skovand]

Nobody denies mutations. The earliest fossil is a cyanobacteria. They say all life originated from an algae. From algae to pods to fish to amphebians to reptiles to birds to mammals to humans.
All this can happen if you simply choose to believe in an old earth and magical mutations.

I choose God did it.

As a Christian obviously I believe God did it too. Just not by making a pile of dust watered by mist that he breathed into and the golem became a living being and then it was split in half ( and it is split in half not rib. Look at it in hebrew. That’s the only place the word rib is translated from the word side. They did thst because even the earliest Christians knew being cut in half was to extreme and so they fudged it a bit.) Anyways the living mud was split in half and made into a woman. Now... that’s believing in magic.... but we can trace the scientific flow within the fossil record as I already pointed out.

Don’t forget that it says God makes it rain. It talks about making it rain way more than creationism. So does that mean you also don’t believe in basic meteorology? God clearly used evolution to create species and God clearly uses the moon, gravity, and rotation of the earth and it revolves around the sun and a mass of other things like forests to generate the weather.

 

[Skovand]

Have you ever seen layers form over time and compared the pace of those in each different region?
Do you honestly believe that forming layers on a world with different climates worldwide is consistent?

They calculate oxygen and carbon in ice layers and measure out how old that piece is. But they don’t know anything about the conditions on earth when that ice was formed. Vulcanic eruptions can screw a lot up. Radiometric datings are for instance already screwed up due to Fukushima.
Scientists not knowing this 1000 years from now will not be able to explain what they are reading without knowing all conditions.

Why would scientists today know the conditions of our earth thousands of years ago? Let alone stand millions!

I suggest spending two months and an hour or two a day to read some books wrote on this topic.

These questions are why it’s so important, and why schools are now mandated to teach biological sciences including evolution in the classrooms.

 

[Skovand]

Cain and Seth's lineage is Adam

Do you think that’s the question I was asking when I said look at their lineages? Because I asked also about their genealogy right? I imagine most wont even know what they are looking at when they read them though. ThTs why I asked instead of telling. To really learn you must be willing to study something out and be noble like the believing Berean jews.

 

[Skovand]

Do you think there is any reason why the genealogical records within genesis 1-11 is very different from the ones after? Or why did the genealogies of Cain and Seth get wrote completely different?

You can see what I actually asked right here.....

 

[Skovand]

And I suppose the name Yeshua (which = Salvation) is "not the real name of real people"

That makes no sense.......it’s just pointless ramblings that I know you believed was witty and meant something but it’s not at all related to the context of what I said. Look at the build up of Jesus and his name, and Gods name in general, and compare all of that to the few sentences leading up to the personalization of the name. ...

 

[Dino246]

God clearly used evolution to create species

That's the wackiest thing I've read all day. The two concepts are incompatible.

 

[bojack]

Surival of the fittest ... the fittest doesn’t mean the strongest. It means the ones who will adapt best to their surrounding will survive.
That is why in theory the Neanderthaler got extinct and the Homo Sapiens could coop with climate change for instance.

(I do not believe this theory but I know this theory and say this for the sake of argument)

I was saying ''that's what they ''used'' to teach'' ..

 

[bojack]

Then even in my most simplest reading I still bump unto mysteries demanding faith to overcome all doubt.



LOL it is a waste of time. But what if 2 different genetic codes added up to chickens we know today? Isn’t the one born out of the egg the one and only new species? Making its egg the first.

Are you saying kinds after their kinds or one kind plus another kind .. I'm saying breeders of animals can breed out traits according to the genetic information available but they can't produce new genes or a new kind .. You can even isolate genetic codes enough to where the same kind can't reproduce but that is due to too much loss of information not new information ....

 

[Bbrdrd]

All truth is a gods truth. Including evolution.

All truth is indeed God's truth, but evolution denies all sorts of things the Bible reveals.

And it's not that I'm saying evolution isn't persuasive, it absolutely is. Yet it cannot be true, because we know that Christ came and died for sin and Christ affirmed the Genesis creation narrative.

Denying Genesis denies Christ's lineage, it denies the true entrance of sin, it denies God's plan of salvation. It's not simply a question of preferred origin narratives, it's critical to maintain Christianity.

 

[Skovand]

That's the wackiest thing I've read all day. The two concepts are incompatible.

They are 100% compatible because genesis 1-11 is not a historical or scientific origins story to creation. It’s a Jewish mythological account setting up the patterns for the Torah and even to the gospels. Lots of scholarly work has been done on the contextual analysis of those chapters.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God clearly used evolution to create species r.

this is the most misinformed and unscientific post I have read in ages,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the wackiest thing I've read all day. The two concepts are incompatible.

Each after its own KIND

Evolution is making new kinds. Not micro evolution across each kind

in fact. If you look at the genome, from what I remember, the changes were already their just just became more active. It’s called God made a perfect being, and even allowed for changes when needed,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They are 100% compatible because genesis 1-11 is not a historical or scientific origins story to creation. It’s a Jewish mythological account setting up the patterns for the Torah and even to the gospels. Lots of scholarly work has been done on the contextual analysis of those chapters.

Wow man. You just exposed yourself

 

[Skovand]

Each after its own KIND

Evolution is making new kinds. Not micro evolution across each kind

in fact. If you look at the genome, from what I remember, the changes were already their just just became more active. It’s called God made a perfect being, and even allowed for changes when needed,

The same process for micro evolution is the same process for macro evolution. Same as adaptations. Micro evolution results in species variations and eventually subspecies. Then over time , as the fossil record shows, we see these gradual changes result into speciation which is called macro evolution.

As for being the least scientific post you’ve ever read let’s be honest. Many of y’all don’t even know what science is.

 

[Skovand]

Wow man. You just exposed yourself

Expose what? Basic understanding of contextual analysis of scripture and science...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The same process for micro evolution is the same process for macro evolution. Same as adaptations. Micro evolution results in species variations and eventually subspecies. Then over time , as the fossil record shows, we see these gradual changes result into speciation which is called macro evolution.

As for being the least scientific post you’ve ever read let’s be honest. Many of y’all don’t even know what science is.

The fossil record shows a flood

there is no such thing as one species become another