How old is our creation really?

[eternally-gratefull]

Also, I limit the time of spend doing these kinds of discussions. I mostly do it so that future college kids who are seeing a issue with a literalist interpretation vs clear scientific evidence.
Again if you believe in God and also see that science clearly teaches an old earth and evolution look into the forums at BioLogos.

https://discourse.biologos.org/

There are dozens and dozens of real Christians and scientists there.

Kids should read all things

evolution is satanic. old earth has death occuring before sin even enters the world

i Gave two great books, another is the hydroplate theory y dr walt brown,

i belief both have bits of truth in them and the truth is somewhere in between. It it is better science than those who are out to attack god and lead people away from him

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not at all. There are thousands of journals out there about fossilization that does not require a global flood.

I’m not the one avoiding 99.99% of scientists and experts and scientific papers. In a few more weeks I’ll have more time and I’ll start making posts every few weeks centered around all these issues.

Anyways. Best luck until then.

99.9. Lol

whatever dude

thanks for a goof laugh if nothing else

God warned us of mockers like you in the last days, saying all things are the same from the begining, forgetting about the flood,

that’s what your so called science is based on.

 

[Skovand]

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Nr38Reasons.pdf

 

[Skovand]

Kids should read all things

evolution is satanic. old earth has death occuring before sin even enters the world

i Gave two great books, another is the hydroplate theory y dr walt brown,

i belief both have bits of truth in them and the truth is somewhere in between. It it is better science than those who are out to attack god and lead people away from him

Except I’m not against God and neither is the thousands of scientists who are also Christian that disagree with the bad theology of creationism. Definitely not satanic since we believe that Jesus is Lord and that we must abide in him bearing fruit of the spirit.

https://biologos.org/articles/flood-geology-and-the-grand-canyon-what-does-the-evidence-really-say

 

[bojack]

The old chicken and the egg adage is mythical...a Christian knows that God created the chicken first and she laid an egg.

If he created everything on the sixth day, why do we not find fossils in the say geological layers? Why do we not find humans in the same layer as T-Rex? Why do we not find giant american sloths in the same layer as the earliest ferns? We see distinct ecosystems and habitats in different layers and when we get ice core samples , and compare it to the microscopic layers in petrified woods within layers all dating to the same time we see similar chemical compositions that clue us into things like the atmosphere. We see different life forms in different layers. We see different chemical compositions in these layers. When we check these layers in America against the same layer in China we see the same indicators. For example, if we go back far enough we see reptiles but we don’t see mammals. We can go back so far that only tetrapods exists and there are no bipedal animals. We can go back through layers and see conifers, but no angiosperms. The layers line up with dozens of radiometric dating methods depending on which ones we need to narrow in on a date. If we go back we stop seeing tools being used. We see no bones with tool made scars or tool scarring patterns on it. Then we begin seeing some and see them get more and more complex.
That’s in direct contradiction to the unscientific notion that everything was created within literal six days of one another.

Ha, you still can't explain soft dino tissue and different size, mass animals will float or sink at different rates together . Some would be larger and survive longer and many other ''reasonable'' reasons .. But still the only place where geologic columns are found excluding all other different life forms are neatly graded out on a fake scientific chart illustration in text book cartoons or wall charts.... There was a pre-flood difference of environments as proven according to the bible first rain at the onset of the great flood destruction .... And how many times did the size of the ''big bang'' change ? Like every 10 years we were assured that each current theory was fool proof true and solid .. Now they're teaching ''it all come from nothing'' by itself lol .. Yet the Word of God has stood true the whole while ...

 

[Skovand]

I wonder why Adam and Eve, is they were immortals, needed a tree of life in the garden. If they were immortal they would not need to eat from it.

Ha, you still can't explain soft dino tissue and different size, mass animals will float or sink at different rates together . Some would be larger and survive longer and many other ''reasonable'' reasons .. But still the only place where geologic columns are found excluding all other different life forms are neatly graded out on a fake scientific chart illustration in text book cartoons or wall charts.... There was a pre-flood difference of environments as proven according to the bible first rain at the onset of the great flood destruction .... And how many times did the size of the ''big bang'' change ? Like every 10 years we were assured that each current theory was fool proof true and solid .. Now they're teaching ''it all come from nothing'' by itself lol .. Yet the Word of God has stood true the whole while ...

what are you even talking about lol.
you find the same mass levels throughout different geological records. In the same records that T. rex is in you find plants, different size dinosaurs, and insects and in the same geological records you find giant american ground sloths and and wooly mammoths you also find plants, different size reptiles and birds, and humans. It’s not layered with heaviest to smallest but by species....

Yes there are lots of answers for soft tissue.

https://biologos.org/articles/soft-tissue-in-dinosaur-bones-what-does-the-evidence-really-say

 

[Skovand]

Also, the scientist who found the soft tissue, Mary, is a friend of BioLogos. She’s a Christian and a scientist and believes in what I’ve been saying.....

https://biologos.org/articles/not-so-dry-bones-an-interview-with-mary-schweitzer/

 

[bojack]

I wonder why Adam and Eve, is they were immortals, needed a tree of life in the garden. If they were immortal they would not need to eat from it.

what are you even talking about lol.
you find the same mass levels throughout different geological records. In the same records that T. rex is in you find plants, different size dinosaurs, and insects and in the same geological records you find giant american ground sloths and and wooly mammoths you also find plants, different size reptiles and birds, and humans. It’s not layered with heaviest to smallest but by species....

Yes there are lots of answers for soft tissue.

https://biologos.org/articles/soft-tissue-in-dinosaur-bones-what-does-the-evidence-really-say

Aren't most dinosaurs found near the top but they are found in all levels . Then you have them deep also .. If dinos dies out millions of years ago there shouldn't be any today much less mingled with everything else known to man .. And sea shells on tops of mountains .. Polystrate fossils supposedly through millions of years of accumulated strata .. And some folks don't bat an eye at the evidence, they just forge ahead with their eyes shut ....

 

[blueluna5]

While the Bible is known to make gigantic leaps in time without specific details. It seems at first sight Abraham was born about 2000 years after Adam. This would show us a young creation according to our Bible.

Yet science had me almost convinced our earth is billions of years old. But knowing they lie and mock anyone raising serious questions I denounced science when it comes to our origins. I was really devoted in my studies but all I found was slander, corruptions, half truths to sell a full lie...

Yet my own mind raised a serious question last night: If our God is infinite, why would He only start creating roughly 6000 to 10000 years ago?

Maybe I should rewatch my beliefs on this and only see human life as a young creation? Any insight in this is very welcomed.

In my opinion the earth is very young. Sure, God could take billions of years to create it but what for? He's powerful enough to make things happen instantly. On top of that he doesn't want it to last long. A day is like a thousand years to God so we're talking a week to God. Dealing with sin for a week.

I like how they discovered dinosaur DNA recently....I thought they were millions of years old?! Then there's all those pesky dragon i mean dinosaur ancient artifacts. It's like people knew about them or something!

The environment was not the same in the past. It would be difficult for anyone to figure out the exact formula for dating without having the actual environment. They know the oxygen level was higher, hence giant insects.

They're also still working on that lovely evolution theory so the baseline is already incorrect. Animals such as dinosaurs for example were bigger in past, not smaller. And there were a lot more plants and animals in the past at well. Hello extinction.

 

[Bbrdrd]

I can say with utmost confidence creation is at least 2 weeks old.

 

[bojack]

Many animals were giant preflood , dragonfly fossils 2' long but nothing grows as big today that would be de-evolution, right ?

 

[Skovand]

Aren't most dinosaurs found near the top but they are found in all levels . Then you have them deep also .. If dinos dies out millions of years ago there shouldn't be any today much less mingled with everything else known to man .. And sea shells on tops of mountains .. Polystrate fossils supposedly through millions of years of accumulated strata .. And some folks don't bat an eye at the evidence, they just forge ahead with their eyes shut ....

We don’t have to keep our eyes shut. There again are thousands of journals from every country on these topics.

Take the Appalachian mountains. There are many great books on the natural history of places like Alabama, that talks about seashells on mountains.

This is a link that’s not in depth. But you can trace deeper links on the subject. We can track geological layers and their relationship to shifting plates.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/6255/minturn-formation-colorado

 

[Skovand]

Many animals were giant preflood , dragonfly fossils 2' long but nothing grows as big today that would be de-evolution, right ?

Why would that be devolution? That was related to the Carboniferous variables. Which is actually one of my favorite eras.

 

[bojack]

Why would that be devolution? That was related to the Carboniferous variables. Which is actually one of my favorite eras.

Because their lizard could beat up my lizard , lol

 

[Skovand]

The Carboniferous period was during the Paleozoic era. That’s when the Meganeura, especially the M. monyi you alluded to, lived. Millions and millions of years later, we’ll after the splitting of Pangea ( claimed to be caused by the flood according to creationist) is when we had T. Rex in the Cretaceous period. “ he’s not actually from the Jurassic era”. The movies got him confused for the Allosaurus.

 

[bojack]

We don’t have to keep our eyes shut. There again are thousands of journals from every country on these topics.

Take the Appalachian mountains. There are many great books on the natural history of places like Alabama, that talks about seashells on mountains.

This is a link that’s not in depth. But you can trace deeper links on the subject. We can track geological layers and their relationship to shifting plates.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/6255/minturn-formation-colorado

Kinda looks like massive water uniformed erosion run off to me happened at some point .. And it's called the great flood

 

[bojack]

Why would that be devolution? That was related to the Carboniferous variables. Which is actually one of my favorite eras.

Doesn't evolution teach the strong survive, what happened ?

 

[bojack]

The Carboniferous period was during the Paleozoic era. That’s when the Meganeura, especially the M. monyi you alluded to, lived. Millions and millions of years later, we’ll after the splitting of Pangea ( claimed to be caused by the flood according to creationist) is when we had T. Rex in the Cretaceous period. “ he’s not actually from the Jurassic era”. The movies got him confused for the Allosaurus.

You saw that on one of those cartoon charts I was talking about, right ?

 

[Skovand]

Evolution does not work in the way of everything becoming better and better. Somethings get better. Somethings get worse. Somethings revert back to previous things.

Whales evolved from tetrapods just like humans. As time went , “primates” had some species that begin to move towards bipedalism. While whales decided to revert back to an aquatic state just like dolphins.

But reverting back to a primitive trait is not synonymous with “devolution “. Neither is retaining primitive traits , such as moss has, in the face of the evolution of conifers or angiosperms.

 

[Skovand]

Doesn't evolution teach the strong survive, what happened ?

That’s actually a lay persons common misunderstanding of “survival of the fittest”. Ecology is a better drive for evolution than that false notion of creating stronger, faster, meaner super beasts.