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You're one tough nut man. How do you keep going? I'd have you in my platoon any day. I hope you've got somebody nice helping you - especially with that truck tire. I'm just on the brink of old age but the Lord has preserved me from worse. Couple of concussions and broken this and that from playing rugby, but my body will fail in the next decade or slightly more, and we'll meet in Paradise.
When Adam sinned, God did him, and all who would come from his loins, a big favor. He barred us from the Tree of Life to stop us from living bodily forever. He planned that the old and weak would die and be raised incorruptible. That body will not come from the womb, and we Christians get to eat of the Tree of Life daily forever. Even the unbeliever will not die seeing as his "healing" is because of the "leaves" of this Tree. Looks like we can agree with Paul and say; "to die is gain ... ."
Getting back to the posting, I just answered the brother who thought that 2nd Peter 3 told of the annihilation of heaven and earth. I showed that certain words needed to be studied carefully. Of course, as you say, God can do anything with His creation. But I judge that (i) God made the heavens and the earth for Christ His beloved Son (Col.1:16). If He caused them to cease, He could be accused of weakness, and that an angel got the better of Him. His Son, Jesus, would have to pass on what was made for Him and take seconds. Now, the God I know, and believe in, and Whose Words I have read, is just invincible. His Words, His creation and His plans are immutable. Satan can create some magnificent storms, but to Jehovah-Elohim, he's just a gnat buzzing in an empty bottle. Sure, the earth as we know it doomed. So is the monetary and political system. All will be purged by fire this time, not water. But the substance of the creation will remain with only is works removed as if they had never been. A garment in parable is "works" (e.g. Rev.19:8).
My argument is in posting # 109.
Go well bro.
When Adam sinned, God did him, and all who would come from his loins, a big favor. He barred us from the Tree of Life to stop us from living bodily forever. He planned that the old and weak would die and be raised incorruptible. That body will not come from the womb, and we Christians get to eat of the Tree of Life daily forever. Even the unbeliever will not die seeing as his "healing" is because of the "leaves" of this Tree. Looks like we can agree with Paul and say; "to die is gain ... ."
Getting back to the posting, I just answered the brother who thought that 2nd Peter 3 told of the annihilation of heaven and earth. I showed that certain words needed to be studied carefully. Of course, as you say, God can do anything with His creation. But I judge that (i) God made the heavens and the earth for Christ His beloved Son (Col.1:16). If He caused them to cease, He could be accused of weakness, and that an angel got the better of Him. His Son, Jesus, would have to pass on what was made for Him and take seconds. Now, the God I know, and believe in, and Whose Words I have read, is just invincible. His Words, His creation and His plans are immutable. Satan can create some magnificent storms, but to Jehovah-Elohim, he's just a gnat buzzing in an empty bottle. Sure, the earth as we know it doomed. So is the monetary and political system. All will be purged by fire this time, not water. But the substance of the creation will remain with only is works removed as if they had never been. A garment in parable is "works" (e.g. Rev.19:8).
My argument is in posting # 109.
Go well bro.
You've got some good points there. God hides certain things. If He wants men to find out, He makes a way. God was going to destroy Sodom but He hides it from all but Abraham. Why? Because he knew that Abraham was the only one who would believe Him, and because Abraham would be the only one to intercede for Lot.
The years fro Adam to Christ are calculable. The difference that theologians have is not because the years are not well documented, but because God has two calculations. In 1st Kings 6 the time from Israel leaving Egypt to beginning the building of Solomon's Temple was 480 years. But in Acts 13, if you do the maths of Paul's calculation, you come to 573 years. 93 years is the difference. Why? Because in prophecy, God does not count the years that His people are ruled by a foreign king. 93 years is the exact time in the Book of Judges that Israel was under chastisement and under foreign kings. This helps to undersand the "gap" in Daniel's prophecies. But my point is that the student of scripture CAN calculate from Adam to Jesus, but he/she has to decide whether to use prophetic years like the author of 1st Kings, or actual years like Paul.
Another help is the heptadic structure of scripture. It is constructed in sevens (see Ivan Panin). God restored the earth to Eden in six days and rested the seventh. Could He be doing that again? From Adam to Christ is 4,000 years (4002 - Darby), and Hosea 6:2 says that Israel's chastisement is "two days" until their restoration. Now Israel have been under chastisement since 70 AD, so "two days" can only be two thousand years (Ps.90:4; 2nd Pet.3:8). So if Acts 15:14-16 is correct, Israel will be restored at the beginning of the seventh one-thousand-year period since Adam. However, this does nothing to help us decide what happened BEFORE Adam - and how long it took.
God bless.
The years fro Adam to Christ are calculable. The difference that theologians have is not because the years are not well documented, but because God has two calculations. In 1st Kings 6 the time from Israel leaving Egypt to beginning the building of Solomon's Temple was 480 years. But in Acts 13, if you do the maths of Paul's calculation, you come to 573 years. 93 years is the difference. Why? Because in prophecy, God does not count the years that His people are ruled by a foreign king. 93 years is the exact time in the Book of Judges that Israel was under chastisement and under foreign kings. This helps to undersand the "gap" in Daniel's prophecies. But my point is that the student of scripture CAN calculate from Adam to Jesus, but he/she has to decide whether to use prophetic years like the author of 1st Kings, or actual years like Paul.
Another help is the heptadic structure of scripture. It is constructed in sevens (see Ivan Panin). God restored the earth to Eden in six days and rested the seventh. Could He be doing that again? From Adam to Christ is 4,000 years (4002 - Darby), and Hosea 6:2 says that Israel's chastisement is "two days" until their restoration. Now Israel have been under chastisement since 70 AD, so "two days" can only be two thousand years (Ps.90:4; 2nd Pet.3:8). So if Acts 15:14-16 is correct, Israel will be restored at the beginning of the seventh one-thousand-year period since Adam. However, this does nothing to help us decide what happened BEFORE Adam - and how long it took.
God bless.
If you're saying this physical creation will stand forever I disagree .. A little unrelated but I've had two visions in successive nights of being in the direct presence of God and the love, sense of belonging, contentment and satisfaction is beyond description, the other the next night out of the presence of God but in stages as being led away , it was the most horror and hopelessness I've never even imagined, so frightening it took months to get over it .. I think if God hadn't give me the first dream that I wouldn't have been able to live with the second one .. Definitely not of this world as we know it .. Just for starters I believe we will be able to transcend time and witness Noah or any other point of history we want .. But that will be boring compared to what we will have in store for us .. And the measurements, description of the New Jerusalem can not be compared to anything we could imagine .. And I'm pretty impressed with our present home on this earth already .. Eye has not seen nor ear heard .. I know we can take it to the bank with knowing only a glimpse .. IOW this present earth and creation isn't big or grand enough to compare as grand and wonderous as it is ..
I don't agree with the SDA's but Walter Veith has some impressive teaching on creation .. Teaching on the curse and the fall of Adam , God cursing the ground, animals changing from vegetation to meat eating is some good stuff he teaches .. Walter did a lot of experiments feeding carnivorous and omnivorous animal vegetables .. Here's a documented story of a lioness who refused to eat any meat her whole life
Personally sir, I don't care what so called ashiest or human philosophers question. The issue here, is that some seem to be bothered by modern day sensibilities. If you only had two people brought forth in the Garden of Eden, then I think common sense tells you how the human race began. Marriage and inter-marriage, was necessary until the population grew large enough. After all, there was no laws at this time and men did what was right in their sight. That is until Moses and the Law. Then it was no longer permissible, to know a close relative.
Psalm 78:69; And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.
Psalm 104:5; Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psalm 119:90; Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
1st Chronicles 16:30; Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psalm 93:1; The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psalm 96:10; Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
As to your dreams they are for you. But I can relate the Word to them. Psalm 16:11;
"Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore."
The opposite is to be cast from His presence. I believe it is known as "outer darkness with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth". Have you ever considered that "outer darkness" is mentioned three times in the New Testament. Once it applies to Israel for shunning the kingdom (Matt.8:12), and twice it is directed at Christians (Matt.22:13, 25:30). Makes one think that the dream might have had a profound meaning for you.
Psalm 104:5; Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Psalm 119:90; Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
1st Chronicles 16:30; Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psalm 93:1; The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psalm 96:10; Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
As to your dreams they are for you. But I can relate the Word to them. Psalm 16:11;
"Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore."
The opposite is to be cast from His presence. I believe it is known as "outer darkness with weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth". Have you ever considered that "outer darkness" is mentioned three times in the New Testament. Once it applies to Israel for shunning the kingdom (Matt.8:12), and twice it is directed at Christians (Matt.22:13, 25:30). Makes one think that the dream might have had a profound meaning for you.
I understand your position and it is common .. I wouldn't care except like I mentioned before .. Witnessing to the lost who question the Bible with legitimate questions .. God seems to have always had his chosen to follow his law and separate responsibility .. Many people teach that fallen angels produce the giants by mating with human women , I think it's ridiculous because the book of Enoch says that ''EACH NEPHHILLIM was 300 ft tall'', Jewish fables and fairytales .. And Darwin and company have been deceiving people since forever .. I've heard that many Christians who entered college lose their faith in God after the first year because of deception , fake science, peer pressure or compromise with science ..
Minds are rarely changed but we discuss our points .. Jesus said in His Fathers house are many mansions .. I don't believe it is of the physical realm and I also believe the spiritual realm is more real than the physical that is bound by physical law .. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels but people will be there too who reject the Gospel Truth ..
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But we can not deny our English or any modern language Bible is “coded”. To take Genesis as it was written I need to study Hebrew. And when we find out the true meaning of how things were written down in Hebrew, scholars still find new stuff till this day. New stuff meaning; how they place words in context.
Words we use today for specific translations were not the words used back then and have several more meanings.
I think one life is not enough to study this lol. But I have chosen God and I take the Bible as the full autority over my life, where we came from and where we are going to. My humble little study in the Bible made me quickly realise that it is the Word of God.
Words we use today for specific translations were not the words used back then and have several more meanings.
I think one life is not enough to study this lol. But I have chosen God and I take the Bible as the full autority over my life, where we came from and where we are going to. My humble little study in the Bible made me quickly realise that it is the Word of God.
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But it is the Word of God that creates. Let there be. For we know by faith our universe was created by the Word of God.
Reality in the physical form is not even that physcial. And the elements adding up to a phsyical world are far from physical. Yet they are generated by physical forms. The great paradox we call life. I can only explain this if they were both created simultaneously.
I can think about this for nights while watching the night sky.... The chicken and the egg.
Reality in the physical form is not even that physcial. And the elements adding up to a phsyical world are far from physical. Yet they are generated by physical forms. The great paradox we call life. I can only explain this if they were both created simultaneously.
I can think about this for nights while watching the night sky.... The chicken and the egg.
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Absolutely true .. The Word of God creates not only the physical world and upholds it but even within a physical world and if Jesus turned the water into wine then all is true as He spoke, speaks and inspired to write and even beyond if we hear His voice on a matter that becomes substance once you hear answered prayer in prayer .. You can take it to the bank ...We don't speak it enough .. But otherwise the most faithless nonbeliever can rely on physical law 100% . Unless God intervenes supernaturally at His will or our request according to our faith ... What goes up must come down dependable .. LOL . The chicken definitely came first .. And a chicken laid it with genetics created from the original created kind .. I actually remember thinking about that question before I believed in God .. Even thinking whatever laid the first chicken egg was not a chicken lolol, how ridiculous and a waste of time that was ..
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Yeah. We are rarely moved to change our minds - at that moment. But a niggling remains, and who knows ... perhaps in a year, or ten? I have had to change my mind so many times. But then so did Paul
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things" (1st Corinthians 13:11).
That is the grand advantage of man. He is not instinctive only. He can reason things out. The good detective keeps an open mind at all times. Have you considered that not a single scripture has you landing in hell for not believing the gospel? It for your works that you land in the Lake of Fire (Isa.66:24; Rev.20:12).
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things" (1st Corinthians 13:11).
That is the grand advantage of man. He is not instinctive only. He can reason things out. The good detective keeps an open mind at all times. Have you considered that not a single scripture has you landing in hell for not believing the gospel? It for your works that you land in the Lake of Fire (Isa.66:24; Rev.20:12).
… all of which depend on unproveable assumptions (i.e.: speculation). 