Is Catholicism the Oldest Christian Faith?
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Yep, another fraud. Here is a Cornerstone Magazine's expose:
https://web.archive.org/web/20051202084221/http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?228
And from Christianity Today,
NEWS
Jack Chick’s Anti-Catholic Alberto Comic Book Is Exposed as a Fraud
A comic book produced by a fundamentalist publisher named Jack Chick is causing an uproar among Roman Catholics. It purports to be the true story of a Jesuit priest named Alberto Rivera, who was raised and trained in a Spanish Jesuit seminary, and whose job was to infiltrate and destroy Protestant churches. The comic book, titled Alberto, says the reason Protestant churches don’t speak out against Catholicism the way they should is that they are infiltrated by Jesuits.
The comic book has been so popular that Chick has published a sequel, Double Cross, which claims to be the true story of how the priest rescued his sister from a convent in England, where she was a nun, and where she was bleeding to death from flagellation and other mistreatment. The sequel also alleges that Kathryn Kuhlman was a secret agent of Rome and claims that Jim Jones, the leader of the Jonestown cult, was secretly a Jesuit.
Both magazines are saturated with anti-Catholic slurs and unsavory innuendo. The most astonishing charge is that the name of every Protestant is kept in a computer file in the Vatican, and that the Catholic church is preparing for a twentieth-century Inquisition.
The Catholic church is understandably upset. Its Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, based in Milwaukee, has asked the state attorney general’s office in California, where the magazines are published, to investigate Chick Publications for false advertising and consumer fraud. The attorney general’s office recently declined to do so.
Many Protestant bookstores carry small, comic-book-like Bible tracts published by Chick, as well as his earlier, full-size comics on Christian subjects. The Alberto magazine, however, has caused such a fuss that many bookstores have refused to sell it. To counteract that pressure. Chick published a special tract that he distributes free, in which he says Catholic propaganda teams pressure bookstore owners to remove Alberto, and that only a few “totally committed” gospel bookstores still dare to carry it.
A year ago, Alberto Rivera himself issued a sworn statement defending the allegations. He declared in part that, “Alberto is a true and actual account and I will face a court of law to prove the events actually took place.”
He may get his chance. This reporter’s investigation shows that not only was Rivera not a Jesuit priest, but also that he had two children during the time he claimed to be living a celibate life as a Jesuit. Neither, it seems, does he have a sister in England who was a nun. Rivera has been sought by police for writing bad checks in Hoboken, New Jersey, and for stealing a credit card in Florida. Those revelations taint the credibility of the fantastic stories Rivera tells in the comic books.
Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, is a native of the Canary Islands. He has traveled widely and has been associated with numerous Christian organizations and churches, including several in California. He is being sued in a Los Angeles court at the present time by a man who said that Rivera, on behalf of the Hispanic Baptist Church which he started, borrowed $2,025 with which to invest in property, but never purchased the land. When the man asked for his money back, he received a receipt acknowledging his “contribution” of $2,025. . .
Metz, G., Clapp, R., Hopkins, J. M., Shuster, W. G., & Minnery, T. (1981). Jack Chick’s Anti-catholic Alberto Comic Book Is Exposed as a Fraud. Christianity Today, 25(5), 354–356.
I have to say, that was the lamest inquisition ever. If I were you, I would stick to things that are verifiable and not libel against another group.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051202084221/http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?228
And from Christianity Today,
NEWS
Jack Chick’s Anti-Catholic Alberto Comic Book Is Exposed as a Fraud
A comic book produced by a fundamentalist publisher named Jack Chick is causing an uproar among Roman Catholics. It purports to be the true story of a Jesuit priest named Alberto Rivera, who was raised and trained in a Spanish Jesuit seminary, and whose job was to infiltrate and destroy Protestant churches. The comic book, titled Alberto, says the reason Protestant churches don’t speak out against Catholicism the way they should is that they are infiltrated by Jesuits.
The comic book has been so popular that Chick has published a sequel, Double Cross, which claims to be the true story of how the priest rescued his sister from a convent in England, where she was a nun, and where she was bleeding to death from flagellation and other mistreatment. The sequel also alleges that Kathryn Kuhlman was a secret agent of Rome and claims that Jim Jones, the leader of the Jonestown cult, was secretly a Jesuit.
Both magazines are saturated with anti-Catholic slurs and unsavory innuendo. The most astonishing charge is that the name of every Protestant is kept in a computer file in the Vatican, and that the Catholic church is preparing for a twentieth-century Inquisition.
The Catholic church is understandably upset. Its Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, based in Milwaukee, has asked the state attorney general’s office in California, where the magazines are published, to investigate Chick Publications for false advertising and consumer fraud. The attorney general’s office recently declined to do so.
Many Protestant bookstores carry small, comic-book-like Bible tracts published by Chick, as well as his earlier, full-size comics on Christian subjects. The Alberto magazine, however, has caused such a fuss that many bookstores have refused to sell it. To counteract that pressure. Chick published a special tract that he distributes free, in which he says Catholic propaganda teams pressure bookstore owners to remove Alberto, and that only a few “totally committed” gospel bookstores still dare to carry it.
A year ago, Alberto Rivera himself issued a sworn statement defending the allegations. He declared in part that, “Alberto is a true and actual account and I will face a court of law to prove the events actually took place.”
He may get his chance. This reporter’s investigation shows that not only was Rivera not a Jesuit priest, but also that he had two children during the time he claimed to be living a celibate life as a Jesuit. Neither, it seems, does he have a sister in England who was a nun. Rivera has been sought by police for writing bad checks in Hoboken, New Jersey, and for stealing a credit card in Florida. Those revelations taint the credibility of the fantastic stories Rivera tells in the comic books.
Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, is a native of the Canary Islands. He has traveled widely and has been associated with numerous Christian organizations and churches, including several in California. He is being sued in a Los Angeles court at the present time by a man who said that Rivera, on behalf of the Hispanic Baptist Church which he started, borrowed $2,025 with which to invest in property, but never purchased the land. When the man asked for his money back, he received a receipt acknowledging his “contribution” of $2,025. . .
Metz, G., Clapp, R., Hopkins, J. M., Shuster, W. G., & Minnery, T. (1981). Jack Chick’s Anti-catholic Alberto Comic Book Is Exposed as a Fraud. Christianity Today, 25(5), 354–356.
I have to say, that was the lamest inquisition ever. If I were you, I would stick to things that are verifiable and not libel against another group.
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I do read about this and I conclude this is fraud not Alberto.
I was call chick about this and chick staff say, that chick write a letter to Canadian catholic churc 3 x ask what bank was Alberto check, so chick able to call,the bank for verification, and they don't answer.
Chick call Canadian police ask if there is criminal record for this fraud, and police don't have it
Again catholic have lie reputation
How about why Alberto know that American presidential inauguration will face obelisk ( Rome /Vatican God ) before it happen. WHY California court not take the case?
More likely they don't have a case and catholic did what she did before, lie
I was call chick about this and chick staff say, that chick write a letter to Canadian catholic churc 3 x ask what bank was Alberto check, so chick able to call,the bank for verification, and they don't answer.
Chick call Canadian police ask if there is criminal record for this fraud, and police don't have it
Again catholic have lie reputation
How about why Alberto know that American presidential inauguration will face obelisk ( Rome /Vatican God ) before it happen. WHY California court not take the case?
More likely they don't have a case and catholic did what she did before, lie
Oh MY!!! Before this council was called the church looked to the people closest to the apostles training to settle questions. Like Acts telling of them going to James, brother of Christ to settle questions about what laws gentiles were to follow. Constantine used the same methods that government uses to solve questions. Before Constantine the government and the people's faith was not together, but people who followed Christ carefully followed only Christ, not worldly customs. Constantine untied them. Before Constantine the church carefully did not add anything to doctrine, Constantine said the Holy Spirit was in the council so they could add whatever they felt was right. Before some individual churches had Sunday services, after Constantine it was made law to use Sunday as the Sabbath. Passover was changed by law to Easter. Before Constantine, only people who truly loved the Lord were classed as Christian, after Constantine it was Christianity was made attractive to all and many had one foot in heaven and one in the world. The changes were many, not about the deity of Christ only.
What I believe is what the Catholic Church teaches. The teaching is approved by those in authority.
The Catholic Church only has a few Scriptures that it insists on a particular meaning. Lots of leeway I find. There have been many times in my life that I came to understand something the Catholic Church taught that I couldn't believe. Faith builds each time.
The Catholic Church only has a few Scriptures that it insists on a particular meaning. Lots of leeway I find. There have been many times in my life that I came to understand something the Catholic Church taught that I couldn't believe. Faith builds each time.
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I think I know the difference. Someone discovered the meaning of the doctrine of God. He is not bringing new ones .The bible is complete sealed with 7 seal with a warning not to add or subtract from the whole. Revelation is still the last chapter .
How would you view the difference between the development of doctrine and a new doctrine ?
How would you view the difference between the development of doctrine and a new doctrine ?
Real church ? The living walking temple of God, the body of born again believers? Or bricks and statues of dead men to watch over the building?
The real one is made up of many lively stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God, the church.
The real one where men do not lord it over the non venerable pew sitters . But rather they walk by faith the unseen will of God found in sola scriptura. And not of the evil generation who walk by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observing the temporal and not the unseen eternal .
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The real one is made up of many lively stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God, the church.
The real one where men do not lord it over the non venerable pew sitters . But rather they walk by faith the unseen will of God found in sola scriptura. And not of the evil generation who walk by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observing the temporal and not the unseen eternal .
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Always interesting to read of how the Roman Catholic Church believe they were the first.
The Church of the new believers was run by the Group in Jerusalem . Paul still reported to them. He argues with them at times too LOL
Only the Roman Catholic Church claims Peter moved to Rome and became a leader of a church there,
Yet Peters ministry was in Babylon where he sent his Epistles from.
So no the Roman Catholics were not the first church.
Now as stated by our Roman Catholic member the Original poster. many churches have split from the Roman Catholic church too . Most of the main stream churches are simply breakaways of one form or another, This is a good thing. As people realized the errors of the Roman Catholic system they attempted reformation, sadly it didn't go far enough and they became another religious organisation.
But outside of this mainstream has always been the independents. Yes these too had members or leaders who also came out of mainstream.
But this is good, as the original disciples all came out of the Jewish Religion System.
So the oldest church is the one that followed Jesus for 3 years and then met together after his resurrection, in the upper room and when the Holy Spirit came thousands more joined.
Yes they all left their Religion of Judaism. Same as any true believer today needs to get out of any Religious movement and find a like minded body of believers who are following the Holy Spirit. Not following man, not following traditions. Demonstrating the Gifts of the Holy Spirit daily.
But we must all remember, most of the people in all churches are searching, they are not the devil, the system maybe of the devil, but the people are just lost sheep. So lets keep them all in our prayers.
The Church of the new believers was run by the Group in Jerusalem . Paul still reported to them. He argues with them at times too LOL
Only the Roman Catholic Church claims Peter moved to Rome and became a leader of a church there,
Yet Peters ministry was in Babylon where he sent his Epistles from.
So no the Roman Catholics were not the first church.
Now as stated by our Roman Catholic member the Original poster. many churches have split from the Roman Catholic church too . Most of the main stream churches are simply breakaways of one form or another, This is a good thing. As people realized the errors of the Roman Catholic system they attempted reformation, sadly it didn't go far enough and they became another religious organisation.
But outside of this mainstream has always been the independents. Yes these too had members or leaders who also came out of mainstream.
But this is good, as the original disciples all came out of the Jewish Religion System.
So the oldest church is the one that followed Jesus for 3 years and then met together after his resurrection, in the upper room and when the Holy Spirit came thousands more joined.
Yes they all left their Religion of Judaism. Same as any true believer today needs to get out of any Religious movement and find a like minded body of believers who are following the Holy Spirit. Not following man, not following traditions. Demonstrating the Gifts of the Holy Spirit daily.
But we must all remember, most of the people in all churches are searching, they are not the devil, the system maybe of the devil, but the people are just lost sheep. So lets keep them all in our prayers.
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Yes, the first mentioned sect or denomination is the Nazarene. The Catholic sect is not listed. We walk by faith, the unseen eternal . It working in us inform us of those who say we do need a man to teach us. Identifying them as antichrists.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:26-27
I’ve provided you with two different sources with complete citations. And Jack Chick was a disturbed individual who seemed sincere just gullible. But I will leave with this, if the Vatican was so powerful and all knowing why is it that All their churches are emptying out in Europe and the Americas? That has to be the lamest plan for world domination ever.
ps. I agree that the office of Pope is unbiblical and anti-Christ. I disagree and the overwhelming evidence shows otherwise that the pope and the Roman church are involved in some sort of giant conspiracy. You know you’re dealing with a pseudo conspiracy when you try and force the other side to prove a negative. Just saying.
ps. I agree that the office of Pope is unbiblical and anti-Christ. I disagree and the overwhelming evidence shows otherwise that the pope and the Roman church are involved in some sort of giant conspiracy. You know you’re dealing with a pseudo conspiracy when you try and force the other side to prove a negative. Just saying.
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