Calvinism and Context?

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Bbrdrd said:
I asked a fairly simple question. No philosophy required, just let your yes be yes or your no be no.
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I wouldn't know fatalism from a hole the ground to be very honest. I couldn't begin to render any opinion that would be useful.
 
Magenta said:
Like the rest, we were by nature objects [children] of wrath. Ephesians 2:3

Yet to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God- John 1:12
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received and BELIEVED.....GOD does not do this for us...WE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED!
 
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cv5 said:
I wouldn't know fatalism from a hole the ground to be very honest. I couldn't begin to render any opinion that would be useful.
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Allow me to be of assistance here:

Some are elected to salvation, and others are not (according to certain doctrines).

Sounds fatalistic to me...
 
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dcontroversal said:
You have no valid questions...and like your other calvinist pals, using verbiage to make it look like we are off base in our defense equals JACK.
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Well.........let's hope it means a lot more than Jack to the elect!
 
dcontroversal said:
received and BELIEVED.....GOD does not do this for us...WE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED!
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And God brings us to believe....which you don’t understand....he chooses,he draws and he saves...

You really aren’t understanding are you............God brings us draws us to a place of belief.....we do not bring ourselves...that is truth.......biblical.


No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws them.......truth.
 
cv5 said:
Well.........let's hope it means a lot more than Jack to the elect!
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It's kind of amusing how you state things yet behave as if what you stated is untrue. The implications of what you said about the apostles, Judas, and by extension all of us is that we're simply passengers being dragged along with no skin in the game.
 
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jackrosie said:
And God brings us to believe....which you don’t understand....he chooses,he draws and he saves...

You really aren’t understanding are you............God brings us draws us to a place of belief.....we do not bring ourselves...that is truth.......biblical.


No one can come to the Son unless the Father draws them.......truth.
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Please explain what that means?..thank you.
 
EleventhHour said:
Interesting God provides a different instruction which you have not addressed.

Gen 4:7 “If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”
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And yet @cv5 you still not addressed this and your fatalism about Judas
 
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EleventhHour said:
Since God does the choosing of some and not others for salvation..... perhaps you can explain why He chooses some and not others?

So far no one has been able to answer.
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Oh I can answer that one. Because He wanted to. That's it that's all.
And don't be mistaken.......it was the very act Him of choosing to act that made it a righteous act.
 
cv5 said:
I will address it now. Cain was not Judas. Judas was a one-off.
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I absolutely knew you were going to say that... so Judas was born with no dead spirit. He was a different creation?
 
dcontroversal said:
Most people know who Jesus is, what he has done and they are not saved....ONE MUST believe the GOSPEL OF THEIR SALVATION to be born again from above...!
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Aahhhhhh......I did say "believers" didn't I? Please reread my quote.

In effect I said that you could become a believer by simply hearing about the work of Jesus Christ AND believing without the benefit of actually possessing a Bible. And you did not have to hear it from the Apostle Paul, you could hear from the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker.
 
Bbrdrd said:
Careful with that pretzel logic.
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Pretzel logic or not, an indisputable fact of history.

Paul was a Christian and I am a Christian. But I am not Paul nor do I hold a station as important as he did.
 
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