Calvinism and Context?

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Bbrdrd said:
You're overcomplicating the question.

Do you simply recognize the gospel as truth, or do you believe it?
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Sorry,I have replied..I can’t reply how you want me to reply...I have answered,unfortunately you don’t understand my answer.
 
jackrosie said:
God brought me to believe the word,through the testifying of His spirit,to my spirit,I knew straight away that I was his child/ born again.....but it has taken quite a while for Him to open up scripture to me ,that I now understand.
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Just a question....how can you say the above while using the word BELIEVE when you said the following in August?

Aug 29 I didn't believe and choose God,as you supposedly did.
 
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jackrosie said:
Sorry,I have replied..I can’t reply how you want me to reply...I have answered,unfortunately you don’t understand my answer.
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Your answer is a non-answer, it's an evasion of the question. I understand well enough, especially as you act like my question that is simple enough a child could understand is somehow beyond your ability to understand.

What I have asked doesn't call for any sort of explanation or nuance. There are two options and it can be stated in a single word. Yet you're completely unable to give a direct answer and have to provide commentary.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Just a question....how can you say the above while using the word BELIEVE when you said the following in August?

Aug 29 I didn't believe and choose God,as you supposedly did.
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I said I didn't believe and choose God as you supposedly did.

Meaning God brought me to belief...I did not bring myself.

I did not believe as you said you believed....as in "you believed"..............God brought me to belief.......but I had heard the gospel,taught at school and a vicar I worked for....but had never read a bible in my life before I was saved...,only after my saving,I went and bought one straight away.
 
Bbrdrd said:
Your answer is a non-answer, it's an evasion of the question. I understand well enough, especially as you act like my question that is simple enough a child could understand is somehow beyond your ability to understand.

What I have asked doesn't call for any sort of explanation or nuance. There are two options and it can be stated in a single word. Yet you're completely unable to give a direct answer and have to provide commentary.
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It is apparently all beyond our comprehension :cautious:
 
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Duskey said:
If I’m right then you’re a sock puppet. You actually believe God created you to be that?
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Lol. Lets just say I believe in all-powerful God (overwhelming super all-powerful beyond all comprehension that is) that superintends every element in my life every millisecond of every day. Furthermore I would say especially and exceptionally in the matter of repentance.

Let me say something else: as the scripture clearly declares and commands us to do, I earnestly pray that God does TAKE CONTROL (and I mean literally control, pulls on the levers pushes all the buttons) of my life in every meaningful way imaginable.

Do you?

Moreover I do earnestly pray that Jesus Christ our Lord comes back to this earth and absolutely TAKES CONTROL of every single soul, mind, molecule and will under His rulership.

Do you?

IMO, According to scripture, this "free will" business is an expiring commodity. We are almost at the end of the age as I see it. Then we then have the millennium, (far better but is going to have some rough sledding toward the end), then the eternal kingdom of perfect obedience, where there will be no free will any longer there will only be God Will.

One more point I would like to make: Any supposed "free will" that is not PERFECTLY ALIGNED to Gods will...is SIN! Anybody care to argue with this?
 
Bbrdrd said:
Your answer is a non-answer, it's an evasion of the question. I understand well enough, especially as you act like my question that is simple enough a child could understand is somehow beyond your ability to understand.

What I have asked doesn't call for any sort of explanation or nuance. There are two options and it can be stated in a single word. Yet you're completely unable to give a direct answer and have to provide commentary.
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Sorry..I am evading no question...your question doesn't make sense to me,...again you are trying to force me to answer your question ,how you want me to.....I can't do that.....
 
Bbrdrd said:
Your answer is a non-answer, it's an evasion of the question. I understand well enough, especially as you act like my question that is simple enough a child could understand is somehow beyond your ability to understand.

What I have asked doesn't call for any sort of explanation or nuance. There are two options and it can be stated in a single word. Yet you're completely unable to give a direct answer and have to provide commentary.
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One thing I have noticed with all false religions, cults etc. that I have dealt with over the years....they all, without exception, will answer questions with a non-answer or an evasive answer....they will also use repeated, regurgitated catch phrases and or words that tilts the response to support the error they believe and or peddle.....

Like Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses......they ALL will use or say they believe in the Jesus of the bible.....yet upon investigation and being honest, they both peddle a Jesus not found in scripture....or like CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS....they incorporate the word Christian in their name and yet the dogma they peddle is no more a Christian than a brothel in Pompeii before it got buried in Volcanic Ash and the pyroclastic flow from Mount Vesuvius blowing it's top.
 
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jackrosie said:
I said I didn't believe and choose God as you supposedly did.

Meaning God brought me to belief...I did not bring myself.

I did not believe as you said you believed....as in "you believed"..............God brought me to belief.......but I had heard the gospel,taught at school and a vicar I worked for....but had never read a bible in my life before I was saved...,only after my saving,I went and bought one straight away.
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At some point somebody had to cross the rubicon.

No matter what God did or didn't do to bring you to it, you either had to accept or reject the gospel. Whether that includes being brought to life, given new desires, or any other bit on God's part isn't really relevant.

So the only question is...did you actually believe the gospel?
 
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Bbrdrd said:
At some point somebody had to cross the rubicon.

No matter what God did or didn't do to bring you to it, you either had to accept or reject the gospel. Whether that includes being brought to life, given new desires, or any other bit on God's part isn't really relevant.

So the only question is...did you actually believe the gospel?
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It absolutely comes down to two choices....

a. Either God believed for them
b. They CHOSE to believe the gospel

My bible, absolutely supports "b" as the way a man or woman gets born again from above!
 
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Bbrdrd said:
So there is something that a man does in the process of his salvation, not completely and wholly attributable to God?
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In my opinion? Nothing.........absolutely nothing.

God is not allowing mere men to superintend the requirement of a Bride for His Son.

And what to do fallen men have to do with things that have occurred in eternity past before the foundation of the universe anyway?
 
cv5 said:
In my opinion? Nothing.........absolutely nothing.

God is not allowing mere men to superintend the requirement of a Bride for His Son.

And what to do fallen men have to do with things that have occurred in eternity past before the foundation of the universe anyway?
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So...men are saved without believing? God does that for them?
 
Bbrdrd said:
At some point somebody had to cross the rubicon.

No matter what God did or didn't do to bring you to it, you either had to accept or reject the gospel. Whether that includes being brought to life, given new desires, or any other bit on God's part isn't really relevant.

So the only question is...did you actually believe the gospel?
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Nope,I did no accepting,my saving was irresistible ...I had no choice,because I had already been chosen before I was born...look at scripture..no one can come to the Son unless the Father draws them.....not those exact words,I can quote the exact words if you like.

No one can see the Kingdom of God unless they are born again....I am 100% born again....all Glory goes to God...He saved me...I did not save myself.
 
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cv5 said:
In my opinion? Nothing.........absolutely nothing.

God is not allowing mere men to superintend the requirement of a Bride for His Son.

And what to do fallen men have to do with things that have occurred in eternity past before the foundation of the universe anyway?
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Prime example of my post about catch phrases, tilted responses etc....

Mere men hey....MADE in the image of God, and loved so much God sent his son to pay our debt and settle the matter....

Exactly what religion does....devalues the worth of Men.....that even the angels look on and wonder....what is man that though are MINDFUL OF THEM....

YOU have serious issues man!
 
cv5 said:
In my opinion? Nothing.........absolutely nothing.

God is not allowing mere men to superintend the requirement of a Bride for His Son.

And what to do fallen men have to do with things that have occurred in eternity past before the foundation of the universe anyway?
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So the elect are born saved?
 
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