No 'But '

[throughfaith]

As scriptures that have been proven show, yes. Why do you argue with what is actually in agreement with some of the things you've said?

How are you not seeing subtle works salvation in that article?

 

[EleventhHour]

This article is the same false message that is being peddled across christianity.
This Article is preaching a false Gospel . no mistake.

I would state this statement in the article is completely false

Works are not simply an evidence of faith, they are a key part of the salvation process.

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It is an attempt to insert works through a back door.

 

[throughfaith]

Prove that please. Point for point as pertains to the article and your finding of verses that prove what is written in the article is false. Making an assertion twice as you have without proof does not make the article become what you claim without proof backing your claim.
Thanks again.

The Article is clearly is through faith but ' let's add all this junk on to Faith and call faith / trust/ believe something and guilt trip everyone into the Antinominism dilemma .

 

[soggykitten]

How are you not seeing subtle works salvation in that article?

That's a question, not proof of your prior assertion about the article.

 

[soggykitten]

I would state this statement in the article is completely false



Link

It is an attempt to insert works through a back door.

At this point I respectfully offer the observation that neither of you have bothered to actually read the whole article.

 

[soggykitten]

The Article is clearly is through faith but ' let's add all this junk on to Faith and call faith / trust/ believe something and guilt trip everyone into the Antinominism dilemma .

Is that in the article itself?

' let's add all this junk on to Faith and call faith / trust/ believe something and guilt trip everyone into the Antinominism dilemma .

Are you one who subscribes to Antinominism? If so that will assist my understanding of your posts.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I did not reread what I said this time put your glasses on.

I see my mistake and humbly admit it, inspite of your lack of a humble response.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

No matter how many times you start a new thread attempting to teach that repentance is not part of salvation you will never be able to change the scriptures with your flawed logic.

he Is not claiming that repentance is not part of salvation. Not sure why you think he is

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is said is that the people who make that assertion, also make the subsequent error.

Yes I see now, it was morning and I was not quite awake yet, again forgive me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the message does not include the turning away from sins (repentance) then no, it is not good news. If it does include the clear message that we can be freed from our SINS then it is good news. If the sin issue is not dealt with at all, it is not the Gospel at all.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities


Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:24 when John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.

Acts 19:4
hen said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins

Acts 10:34 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You cannot study the book of Acts without concluding that repentance in the name of Jesus should be preached from every housetop.

turning away from sin is not the gospel message, it is the message to one who has been saved not to get saved

your adding works to the gospel of Christ,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe that Paul explains that after we are spiritually born again we do not lose our fleshly nature and battle with our desires for it as we try to live our spiritual lives in following God's instructions, Rom 7:18.

Well I agree here, but this is a different subject, let’s get the first one down first

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@ForestGreenCook ,I believe we battle in areas where we are weak.

Whereas areas we are strong......God strengthen us even more.

I have seen people,who are Strong in one area become weak in the same area, I have experienced it myself the flesh and satanic influence are strong

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi Brother...
Did Jesus not find Saul/Paul ?

Acts 9:3-5
3 As he went on his way and was approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”
5 He asked, “Who are you, Lord?”
...xox...

Yes

but paul could have still resisted in unbelief. Remember, he thought as a pharisee he was ok, he had to be convinced he was a true sinner,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The washing is not a separate thing from regeneration, but is explaining the process of regeneration. Your theory is still wrong, because you are still trying to give the natural man more spiritual abilities than he has. Everyone that believes the scriptures to teach that man has to do something to get eternal salvation strives to prove that the natural man can, indeed, understand the things of the Spirit, which is a false doctrine devised by man.

We are justified by the faith (faithfulness) of Jesus Christ, Gal 2:16.

The first part is right

the washing comes, then the regeneration it is said in sequence,

the rest of your post is just your opinion and I do not agree, and can’t, because it has you having a man who is dead in sin, made alibe IN sin, before he is justified of that sin.

this is not found in scripture anywhere

 

[EleventhHour]

At this point I respectfully offer the observation that neither of you have bothered to actually read the whole article.

Oh I did indeed very closely actually.. I know every trick in the book of inserting works into salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And there's another hermeneutical error . The words in ' red ' are not extra powerful . They were added .

What? The words in red are nothing but Jesus actual spoken words, they were not added.

 

[jackrosie]

I have seen people,who are Strong in one area become weak in the same area, I have experienced it myself the flesh and satanic influence are strong

Interesting bro....I have an area,where I was extremely strong,before I was saved, God has strengthened me even more in that area........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't believe that there is a scripture that says that. Eph 2:1 says the sins are removed by the quickening.

Your right, it says we are dead because of sin, nothing else..

which means apart from justification, according to Eph 2, we are still dead in sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are made alive spiritually by the process of regeneration, not by believing in spiritual things before we are regenerated. The natural man does not have the ability to believe in spiritual things before he has been regenerated. You are ignoring Eph 2:1.

This is getting old, you keep repeating the same verse that had already been explained over and over..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is given in the process of regeneration, and spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit Gal 5:22. Regeneration does precede spiritual faith. The natural man, before regeneration only has the faith of man, and his accomplishments. He does not have spiritual faith. The scriptures prove this.

Wrong, it can’t precede, that would make god make us alive while still In sin