Is the teaching of Jesus before His crucifixion only for Jews?
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There aren't a bunch of different Laws. Moses Law = Jesus "Law" = Pauls Law
The Lord Jesus magnified the Law in Matthew 5 just like it was prophesied He would.
Paul explains this in Romans 7
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul doesn't relax the conditions of the Law as stated by the Lord. Paul shows that we can't follow the Law by our own understanding and strength, even though we want to. We need the Grace and Mercy of the Lord for obedience and for when we fail.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Is the Lord Jesus only for jewish people? I don't understand why anyone would think that. Especially Christians.
The Lord Jesus magnified the Law in Matthew 5 just like it was prophesied He would.
Paul explains this in Romans 7
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul doesn't relax the conditions of the Law as stated by the Lord. Paul shows that we can't follow the Law by our own understanding and strength, even though we want to. We need the Grace and Mercy of the Lord for obedience and for when we fail.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Is the Lord Jesus only for jewish people? I don't understand why anyone would think that. Especially Christians.
The nation of Israel was lost, without a shepherd. They had no king or kingdom. The prophets foretold of one coming who would restore the kingdom of Israel with the rightful King on the throne of David. This is a Jewish message. It was not for Gentiles nor Samaritans. When the Jews rejected their King, even after the resurrection, the Lord would get the message of the cross to the Gentile world through Paul.
Jesus first coming to Earth was to the circumcised nation (Romans 15:8)
Ephesians 2:11-12
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Ephesians 2:11-12
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
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I may have missed this point and if so excuse my redundancy. I understand Israel’s covenant and promises. What many seem to gloss over is why was Israel chosen by God? What was to be their role and relationship to the pagans near and far? Was their rejection of their prophesied Messiah such a surprise that God had to change His plan?
The verses that speak to me say that Israel was to have such a good relationship with God as to make the gentiles jealous and then present the gospel. Am I wrong?
The verses that speak to me say that Israel was to have such a good relationship with God as to make the gentiles jealous and then present the gospel. Am I wrong?
Do you obey the scribes and Pharisees as the earthly Jesus commanded the Jews or do you follow Paul (Jesus' spokesman after the ressurrection) who says we are not under the law?
Have you already given away all your properties as Jesus commanded the Jews or do you follow Paul who says that Christians can be rich provided they are generous and not arrogant?
Have you already given away all your properties as Jesus commanded the Jews or do you follow Paul who says that Christians can be rich provided they are generous and not arrogant?
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nothing has changed. all the commandments of God still apply, however to those washed in the blood of Christ, we are no longer under condemnation
who has taught you that Jesus has nothing to say to us today?
Jesus has fulfilled all that God required for the guilt of sin to be done away with
do you actually know who Jesus is? from where I sit reading your post(s) it does not seem you know Him at all
the letters, or epistles, are instructional and historic. they do not bring about salvation but they do help to explain it
salvation is impossible for us, but as Jesus said, it is possible through God
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19
so even if you have obeyed every commandment as the rich young ruler said to Jesus that he had, what Jesus is really asking, is what is worth more to you? your riches or salvation which you cannot buy, not even with all your wealth
salvation is not possible except through Jesus, so to dismiss His words, is to dismiss the very thing that the rich young man walked away from
May God have mercy and open your heart to see this
who has taught you that Jesus has nothing to say to us today?
Jesus has fulfilled all that God required for the guilt of sin to be done away with
do you actually know who Jesus is? from where I sit reading your post(s) it does not seem you know Him at all
the letters, or epistles, are instructional and historic. they do not bring about salvation but they do help to explain it
salvation is impossible for us, but as Jesus said, it is possible through God
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19
so even if you have obeyed every commandment as the rich young ruler said to Jesus that he had, what Jesus is really asking, is what is worth more to you? your riches or salvation which you cannot buy, not even with all your wealth
salvation is not possible except through Jesus, so to dismiss His words, is to dismiss the very thing that the rich young man walked away from
May God have mercy and open your heart to see this
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Jesus interpretation of the law? Do you not know that Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the final sacrifice that has fulfilled all obligations anyone has to obey the law?
Do you not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide you in your life and to enable you to walk righteously before God?
even so, we will never be perfect on this earth which is why Jesus died for us. you do not represent the truth of scripture, but rather some very confusing doctrine that it seems you have swallowed. the law was a shadow; Jesus is the obedience and fulfillment of
that law for us
Do you not have the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide you in your life and to enable you to walk righteously before God?
even so, we will never be perfect on this earth which is why Jesus died for us. you do not represent the truth of scripture, but rather some very confusing doctrine that it seems you have swallowed. the law was a shadow; Jesus is the obedience and fulfillment of
that law for us
No what i mean is, when Jesus opens the eyes of the blind this is an image of what salvation is, like a parable. When He raises the dead this is a figure of salvation, like a metaphor. When He cures and makes whole a leper, this is a direct analogy and heavenly sign describing what salvation is and how it is accomplished.
It is more than a person having been healed. I am not talking about whether those peoples souls are saved or not.
Salvation is like being cure of leprosy. You had an uncurable disease of sin that was 100% resulting in your death, but because you looked to God for mercy, trusting that He was able to grant it, He took it away and made you clean. All these things are signs to Israel not just of who He is but also of what He is there to do.
So the significance of the fact that no one was healed because they had done some task or kept some rule or made some sacrifice, but because of their faith, is that Jesus was preaching salvation to sinners by grace through faith apart from works exactly like He later taught Paul.
multiple-gospels dispensationalism is horrendously wrong, and ignorant of what Christ was doing, IMO.
It is more than a person having been healed. I am not talking about whether those peoples souls are saved or not.
Salvation is like being cure of leprosy. You had an uncurable disease of sin that was 100% resulting in your death, but because you looked to God for mercy, trusting that He was able to grant it, He took it away and made you clean. All these things are signs to Israel not just of who He is but also of what He is there to do.
So the significance of the fact that no one was healed because they had done some task or kept some rule or made some sacrifice, but because of their faith, is that Jesus was preaching salvation to sinners by grace through faith apart from works exactly like He later taught Paul.
multiple-gospels dispensationalism is horrendously wrong, and ignorant of what Christ was doing, IMO.
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[QUOTE="lenna, post: 4370267, member: 297965"
salvation is not possible except through Jesus, so to dismiss His words, is to dismiss the very thing that the rich young man walked away from [/QUOTE]
While on earth Jesus taught obedience to the law of Moses. After the ressurrection he set his people free from the bondage of the law through the apostles, especially Paul. In order to be saved we have to dismiss Jesus' words about keeping the law.
salvation is not possible except through Jesus, so to dismiss His words, is to dismiss the very thing that the rich young man walked away from [/QUOTE]
While on earth Jesus taught obedience to the law of Moses. After the ressurrection he set his people free from the bondage of the law through the apostles, especially Paul. In order to be saved we have to dismiss Jesus' words about keeping the law.
Great theologians have always said that and that is what I have believed for some 30 years. We are all led to believe that Jesus' words always take precedence over Paul's because the King is infinetely greatear than the apostle. Some 4 years ago, however, I started watching videos like the one below and began to understand why Jesus said things like: "obey the scribes and Pharisees, sell all you have", etc.
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who said they did? the law is fulfilled by Jesus
did Jesus say keep the law for salvation? He said to believe in Him for salvation. everyone who does not believe in Him is still under condemnation, including Jews.
God promised His Son, Jesus. He did not promise Paul who was persecuting the Christians until Jesus stopped Him by revealing Himself to Paul...at the time Saul
if anyone is telling you what Paul says is more important than Jesus, they are a false teacher and do not understand the scriptures
teaching that we can dismiss the words of Jesus is FALSE teaching and may even be heretical. Jesus summed up the law by giving a 'new commandment' did you miss that?
did Jesus say keep the law for salvation? He said to believe in Him for salvation. everyone who does not believe in Him is still under condemnation, including Jews.
God promised His Son, Jesus. He did not promise Paul who was persecuting the Christians until Jesus stopped Him by revealing Himself to Paul...at the time Saul
if anyone is telling you what Paul says is more important than Jesus, they are a false teacher and do not understand the scriptures
teaching that we can dismiss the words of Jesus is FALSE teaching and may even be heretical. Jesus summed up the law by giving a 'new commandment' did you miss that?