Eschatology differences & how people get treated
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So if God sends an angel, the angel is an apostle? if God sends a man, the man is an apostle? Elisha sent his servant to Naaman; the servant is an apostle?
Garee, it is not right to assume that entities are all the same because they happen to share one attribute. Yes, Jesus was sent by the Father, and in that sense, He is an apostle. However, that is not all that He is. If you think "apostle" encompasses the full breadth of Jesus' person, character, identity, and mission, you are being naïve... and if you argue it, you're being foolish.
Garee, it is not right to assume that entities are all the same because they happen to share one attribute. Yes, Jesus was sent by the Father, and in that sense, He is an apostle. However, that is not all that He is. If you think "apostle" encompasses the full breadth of Jesus' person, character, identity, and mission, you are being naïve... and if you argue it, you're being foolish.
The way I understand It is as parable using the things seen to represent the unseen eternal spiritual understanding . He began developing that parable of the secon born right from the beginning. Te would establish the first born as those born again . Not the first Adam as in all shall die .to represent un-regenrated mankind. But the second, Jesus as in all who have the seed of Christ are born again .
God set up the pledge to Abraham the order of the second born gets the blessing
Genesis 50:24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
I think you could say the second Adam a new beginning .
God set up the pledge to Abraham the order of the second born gets the blessing
Genesis 50:24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
I think you could say the second Adam a new beginning .
Its not all of the gifts .His sufferings the greatest.
If God sends a Ass (Balaams') it does not change the meaning of the word. One sent.
God is no served by human in any way shape or form .
Apostle a reflection of God's glory like the glory of the Sun reflected in the moon . So not just a mere apostle but the chief representation.
I think Catholicism has completely destroyed the purpose of the word. By using a Greek word to hide the purpose.
If God sends a Ass (Balaams') it does not change the meaning of the word. One sent.
God is no served by human in any way shape or form .
Apostle a reflection of God's glory like the glory of the Sun reflected in the moon . So not just a mere apostle but the chief representation.
I think Catholicism has completely destroyed the purpose of the word. By using a Greek word to hide the purpose.
I didn't say that it did. However, if God sends an ass, that doesn't make everyone sent an ass does it?
Where is that in Scripture?
Now you're changing the meaning of "apostle". What does it mean, Garee? One sent, or a reflection of God's glory?
Why do you keep dragging Catholicism into every discussion? Goodness, man, don't you understand the meaning of the word, "relevant"?
Where is that in Scripture?
Now you're changing the meaning of "apostle". What does it mean, Garee? One sent, or a reflection of God's glory?
Why do you keep dragging Catholicism into every discussion? Goodness, man, don't you understand the meaning of the word, "relevant"?
That is incorrect. The Man Christ Jesus is presently in Heaven in a resurrected, glorified, and glorious body, which is indeed flesh and bones (as He demonstrated to Thomas).
We know Christ in Spirit at the moment, but we shall also see Him face to face and shall be perfected into His likeness (1 John 3:1-3) at the Resurrection/Rapture. And when He comes to earth at His Second Coming He will come in a literal human body, yet a transformed body which will radiate light.
Therefore you need to abandon your false Gnostic ideas about the body of Christ (and perhaps the bodies of saints after they are resurrected and glorified.)
We know Christ in Spirit at the moment, but we shall also see Him face to face and shall be perfected into His likeness (1 John 3:1-3) at the Resurrection/Rapture. And when He comes to earth at His Second Coming He will come in a literal human body, yet a transformed body which will radiate light.
Therefore you need to abandon your false Gnostic ideas about the body of Christ (and perhaps the bodies of saints after they are resurrected and glorified.)
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I was with you, until you said this. With all due respect, and to put things back on topic for a second, no one can know that until Jesus returns. Apostle John saw Him a lot differently in Revelation from what you imply. Feet like burning brass and eyes like flame of fire doesn't ring very human body to me. But we'll see... maybe you're right. I'm convicted in my spirit that you're right about Him radiating light though, I can't see how He will not radiate light.
As a matter of fact the Bible plainly tells us about the Second Coming of Christ and His brightness at His coming.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (2 Thess 2:8)
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mt 24:27)
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. (Isa 60:2) [Note: this refers to Jerusalem at Christ's Second Coming]
Who being the brightness of his [God's] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Heb 1:3)
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: (2 Thess 2:8)
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mt 24:27)
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. (Isa 60:2) [Note: this refers to Jerusalem at Christ's Second Coming]
Who being the brightness of his [God's] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (Heb 1:3)
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I already agreed about that part, I know it in spirit even without looking at the Scripture.
I only said about "literal human body" part that we can't know that. Apostle John saw feet of burning brass and talked about eyes like burning fire. Unless you consider that a literal human body...? About these details, we don't know how exactly will He appear.
I only said about "literal human body" part that we can't know that. Apostle John saw feet of burning brass and talked about eyes like burning fire. Unless you consider that a literal human body...? About these details, we don't know how exactly will He appear.
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https://biblehub.com/revelation/21-22.htm the body.the head and the members of the Lambs body https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-6-19/ this is what comes down into the earth. He is the Lord of Host and the member of his body that offends is cast out/off https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:29-30&version=KJV this is what ascends into the earth, the body of Christ, the temple of God.
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Christ dispelled Thomas's wondering and doubting .
Commandment him to believe. The father gave Jesus the apostle the quickening words: "be not faithless, but believing" It worked in Thomas to both will and do the good pleasure .He confessed that work of faith from the father that worked in him.
He was not teaching Thomas how to walk by sight wondering. doubting. . never coming to faith .
John 20:26-28 King James Version (KJV) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
An Eternal Spirit does not have flesh and bone. We walk by the unseen faith of Christ that lives and works in flesh and bones. God is not a man. Why search rather than beleive?
Luke 24:39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Can't see a spirit.
Commandment him to believe. The father gave Jesus the apostle the quickening words: "be not faithless, but believing" It worked in Thomas to both will and do the good pleasure .He confessed that work of faith from the father that worked in him.
He was not teaching Thomas how to walk by sight wondering. doubting. . never coming to faith .
John 20:26-28 King James Version (KJV) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
An Eternal Spirit does not have flesh and bone. We walk by the unseen faith of Christ that lives and works in flesh and bones. God is not a man. Why search rather than beleive?
Luke 24:39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Can't see a spirit.
I would think the glory of God ascends having departed in the garden.
The brightness of his coming, is the reflected glory of God . (Not flesh and blood) The temporal temple mankind made up of corrupter flesh and blood bodies of death will be replaced with a new body .Not made up of the corrupted rudiments of this creation . The temporal corruption time keeper set in place on day four have served its purpose.
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. Revelation 21. 22-25
The brightness of his coming, is the reflected glory of God . (Not flesh and blood) The temporal temple mankind made up of corrupter flesh and blood bodies of death will be replaced with a new body .Not made up of the corrupted rudiments of this creation . The temporal corruption time keeper set in place on day four have served its purpose.
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. Revelation 21. 22-25
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You seem to see everything as corrupted and unclean when it has been made clean https://biblehub.com/acts/10-15.htm in it you see God as making(creating) an unclean thing(man) who is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. You will tug at this until you see that the Holy Spirit would not dwell in an unclean vessel(host). Highlight "are the temple of it" in the Scripture you quoted and you will see what it says the Temple actually is.