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mailmandan

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stepbystep said:
This Thread seems to be telling us that the Church is still under the Mosaic Laws of the Old Testament.
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The old and new covenants do not mix. Matthew 9:16 No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. For the patch will pull away from the garment, and a worse tear will result. 17 Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.
 
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Regardless of whatever your point is here, it doesn't change what Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16-17. Why don't you explain to me exactly how you "keep the Sabbath" and let's see how it lines up with scripture. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31)

Also, are you a Jew under the law?
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Are you using this site to judge my actions? I think the site is meant for discussing scripture, not as a method of judging Blik.

I have announced on this site that I am, personally, a Christian. That means that I believe that it is Christ that forgives sin, not my personal actions and believes that gives me salvation. For your information, that is the meaning of being a Christian. Those who believe that it is works them so they are under the law are atheists.

It is a complete misunderstanding of Jewishness and the OT to think that being a Jew means that the Lord does not give them grace, but they are only saved by their actions. It is plainly stated in the OT that salvation is only through blood. God is eternal, not old and new. Because we have the Holy Spirit and Christ that is new does not mean that the God of the OT had different policies than the God of the new testament. That would mean that Christ did not fulfill as is stated, but that there is a brand new God in Christ. That does not follow scripture.

Are you really interested in my nationality or are you looking for an excuse to judge me?
 
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Are you using this site to judge my actions? I think the site is meant for discussing scripture, not as a method of judging Blik.

I have announced on this site that I am, personally, a Christian. That means that I believe that it is Christ that forgives sin, not my personal actions and believes that gives me salvation. For your information, that is the meaning of being a Christian. Those who believe that it is works them so they are under the law are atheists.

It is a complete misunderstanding of Jewishness and the OT to think that being a Jew means that the Lord does not give them grace, but they are only saved by their actions. It is plainly stated in the OT that salvation is only through blood. God is eternal, not old and new. Because we have the Holy Spirit and Christ that is new does not mean that the God of the OT had different policies than the God of the new testament. That would mean that Christ did not fulfill as is stated, but that there is a brand new God in Christ. That does not follow scripture.

Are you really interested in my nationality or are you looking for an excuse to judge me?
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All I did was ask you two questions, which you did not answer. How is that judging you? There is a distinction between the old and new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13) which does not mean that God from the Old Testament is a different God from the New Testament. Same God, two different covenants.
 
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Have you read the 119th Psalm? It is the longest psalm, all praising the law of the Lord. Do you think then that Paul who was of God would tell us that we are not to listen to this?

We are all sinners, and only righteous through Christ.
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That doesn't answer my question and what I asked is not a matter of my opinion it's directly from 1 Timothy. If we are supposed to find joy in mindlessly keeping rules why does Paul say the law is for the lawless?
 
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All I did was ask you two questions, which you did not answer. How is that judging you? There is a distinction between the old and new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13) which does not mean that God from the Old Testament is a different God from the New Testament. Same God, two different covenants.
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You asked me questions about my personal life that you have no business in at all, not about scripture. It was very rude.
 
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That doesn't answer my question and what I asked is not a matter of my opinion it's directly from 1 Timothy. If we are supposed to find joy in mindlessly keeping rules why does Paul say the law is for the lawless?
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You are giving a commentary on the 119th psalm as a mindless keeping of rules. I wish David was here to show you the lord, but David and the Lord is speaking to your in this psalm. It is a road to joy, and not a mindless keeping of rules.
 
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You are giving a commentary on the 119th psalm as a mindless keeping of rules. I wish David was here to show you the lord, but David and the Lord is speaking to your in this psalm. It is a road to joy, and not a mindless keeping of rules.
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I'm not interpreting that psalm that way, that psalm is irrelevant to my question. You are refusing to address Paul's statement, I will ask it a third time though. If we are to blindly keep rules because they are the law, why does Paul say the law is for the lawless?
 
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You asked me questions about my personal life that you have no business in at all, not about scripture. It was very rude.
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Sorry you feel that way, but being rude was not my intention. I was just trying to make a point and better understand where you are coming from. People who talk a lot about keeping the Sabbath today don’t usually explain how they keep the Sabbath.
 
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mailmandan said:
No and just as Nehemiah6 stated, the Lord's Supper is a Memorial Feast -- "Do this in remembrance of Me". But the Sabbath is a shadow of things to come.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
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The last supper was a feast before Christs death as a shadow of things to come.
We keep it after his death in remembrance of what He foretold in it and what He did to fulfill it.
Sounds exactly like the sabbath rest which is a foreshadow of things to come for us who believe in Christ.
That being His second coming and our hope of a rest from our physical labors in this life and his providing for our lack on that day of Judgement before His Father God.
Do not forget the jews where looking for the conquering Messiah, which we have yet to see and that is IMO part of the Sabbath Day and perhaps some of the other celebrations of God in Christ.

But if you do not want to celebrate either that is between you and God, it is an obligation or a matter of law that you must celebrate the lords supper or the sabbath day.
But in obedience to your own conscience before you God and Lord Jesus you are to act accordingly and be pleasing to Him not to anyone else.
 
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The last supper was a feast before Christs death as a shadow of things to come.
We keep it after his death in remembrance of what He foretold in it and what He did to fulfill it.
Sounds exactly like the sabbath rest which is a foreshadow of things to come for us who believe in Christ...
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If that’s true, then please explain to me exactly how you "keep the Sabbath" and let's see how it lines up with scripture. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31)
 
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I'm not interpreting that psalm that way, that psalm is irrelevant to my question. You are refusing to address Paul's statement, I will ask it a third time though. If we are to blindly keep rules because they are the law, why does Paul say the law is for the lawless?
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Isn't that what the law does for us, it defines lawlessness? It is for us who are not righteous in ourselves, we are only righteous through Christ, not of our own works but through what Christ did for us.

I think the 119th psalm is relevant as it gives us what sin is all about. I think when you say that following Christ is to blindly keep rules, you are distorting scripture. Living as a follower of Christ is joyful, stress free. When you say it is only blindly keeping rules, it makes following Christ into something unattractive and it isn't.
 
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Isn't that what the law does for us, it defines lawlessness? It is for us who are not righteous in ourselves, we are only righteous through Christ, not of our own works but through what Christ did for us.

I think the 119th psalm is relevant as it gives us what sin is all about. I think when you say that following Christ is to blindly keep rules, you are distorting scripture. Living as a follower of Christ is joyful, stress free. When you say it is only blindly keeping rules, it makes following Christ into something unattractive and it isn't.
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Considering your willingness to twist God's words I'll let your putting words in my mouth slide.

So you're saying when Paul told Timothy "that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[b] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[c] doctrine, " he meant to imply that Christians even after submitting to the gospel are counted among that number? That those who are in Christ remain unholy and profane, needing the law to guide them?
 
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Considering your willingness to twist God's words I'll let your putting words in my mouth slide.

So you're saying when Paul told Timothy "that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[b] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound[c] doctrine, " he meant to imply that Christians even after submitting to the gospel are counted among that number? That those who are in Christ remain unholy and profane, needing the law to guide them?
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Of all the nerve, to say that quoting scripture is twisting God's words!! And you say that God's word tells us we are not made righteous through Christ, but by our own efforts!!! You have a log in your eye.
 
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it is NOT an obligation or a matter of law

Typo correction
 
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Come on.
Show grace and tolerance for the ignorant and deceived.
How many lies did you believe to be true at one time?
Let God be their judge and you be innocent.

Call them out on the content and the error and let God take the offense against them for you if He so desires.
For it is the kindness of God that lead us to repentance.
So lets do our best in being like our heavenly Father in that.

Do not let your own words praise you.
Which to me also means do not take up your own personal defense when insulted.
But rather try to adsorb the insults and stay focused on the work of the kingdom for the sake of those who have ears to hear.
 
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mailmandan said:
If that’s true, then please explain to me exactly how you "keep the Sabbath" and let's see how it lines up with scripture. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31)
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I stop working as an act of faith in Gods provision for my life both spiritual and physical and enjoy that time relaxing with God loving him and loving my family and my neighbor.
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Love the Lord your God with all your might and all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
All the law rests on this and this is how you keep it from the heart.
Whats that other one
Love does no wrong, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
 
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Of all the nerve, to say that quoting scripture is twisting God's words!! And you say that God's word tells us we are not made righteous through Christ, but by our own efforts!!! You have a log in your eye.
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for those of you who do not know this, ms. blik thinks that the romans invented sun. worship, and all of us who go to church on sun, are actually worshiping nimrod the sun god.

and that the Law of Moses is binding on the whole world.

her and i go way back, and we have agreed to disagree. but, i think it is helpful to know what the beliefs are whom you are interacting with..
 
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Lion222 said:
I stop working as an act of faith in Gods provision for my life both spiritual and physical and enjoy that time relaxing with God loving him and loving my family and my neighbor.
How does it go
Love the Lord your God with all your might and all your strength and love your neighbor as yourself.
All the law rests on this and this is how you keep it from the heart.
Whats that other one
Love does no wrong, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
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Why don’t you seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded in regards to the Sabbath? How can you keep a certain law when you only keep part of it?
 
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Are you using this site to judge my actions? I think the site is meant for discussing scripture, not as a method of judging Blik.
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and there's that false claim again

help help I am under attack

Blik said:
Of all the nerve, to say that quoting scripture is twisting God's words!! And you say that God's word tells us we are not made righteous through Christ, but by our own efforts!!! You have a log in your eye.
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but wait...does not sound like you are hiding under a table there Blik

why are you claiming another is saying something you actually believe? you have completely twisted that post and made it your own. much like you do with scripture

you know, the Bible tells us to take the log out of our own eye before trying to move the speck out of your brother's eye

you sound apoplectic :cautious:
 
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gb9 said:
for those of you who do not know this, ms. blik thinks that the romans invented sun. worship, and all of us who go to church on sun, are actually worshiping nimrod the sun god.

and that the Law of Moses is binding on the whole world.

her and i go way back, and we have agreed to disagree. but, i think it is helpful to know what the beliefs are whom you are interacting with..
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yeah

there is quite a mashup between old and new testaments as well as historically inaccurate renderings in what she posts

been there done that too :rolleyes:
 
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