Hey I hope you know I am not trying to be mean or just start fights in your thread, but what your saying here only seems true when you bring outside ideas to the text. I believe the Bible clearly says we are in His kingdom NOW once we are born again, and I'll read it, but if it still has the part about a 3rd temple, a future AoD and all that then I already see a problem. If you can answer this problem and show me where I have it so wrong clearly, then I'll move on to the rest, and the forth fifth, sixth and seventh temples, but when in my head at 3 your view is so fundamentally different and irreconcilable with what I believe can be true, then how will going further from that point do anything but further confuse? BTW I did read your whole OP, so you know, I was just making a point.
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I think his point is, someones building another temple. well good for them
Have a look at Hebrews 12:20-22 talking about mountains. Apparently Mount Zion has moved around a couple of places since King Davids time lol.
I live in a city built on old volcanoes and we have various mounts. Some of them have been excavated and quarried, but now people are protecting them as treasures.
People nowadays prefer to build towers in cities to show off how rich their city is, but, temples could make a comeback I suppose.
Have a look at Hebrews 12:20-22 talking about mountains. Apparently Mount Zion has moved around a couple of places since King Davids time lol.
I live in a city built on old volcanoes and we have various mounts. Some of them have been excavated and quarried, but now people are protecting them as treasures.
People nowadays prefer to build towers in cities to show off how rich their city is, but, temples could make a comeback I suppose.
Better believe the ENTIRE CHAPTER in Zechariah 14. There are not going to be that many survivors after the LORD gets through with the WAR on the NATIONS, AFTER WWIII, has decimated a large part of the world's population.
Zechariah 14:2-3 (HCSB)
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
Zechariah 14:12-16 (HCSB)
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
14 Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
15 The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
I BELIEVE the only survivors in ISRAEL, will be the 144,000; all the rest will be killed.
Revelation 19:21 (HCSB)
21 The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
PLEASE RESIST TALKING ABOUT THE PROPHECY of the END TIMES. I know it is hard, but it is not the SUBJECT that I intended to be discussed here is: The SUBJECT is NEWS from ISRAEL, about HOW, WHEN, and WHERE the coming THIRD TEMPLE will be built.
If you want to discuss Prophecy of the End Times, one of you should start a separate THREAD on: END TIMES PROPHECY
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Why will it be different?
1 it comes after the second is destroyed by the people if the prince who has yet to Come
2 it Will be Defiled by that very prince who as Daniel is told will set himself up in that temple as god and will be put an abomination of desolation whicH the people of isreal can SEE (when you SEE the abomination that f desolation spoke of by Daniel STANDING in the holy place....(this never happened in ad 70
3 immediately after the abomination there will be great tribulation such as never before or after it will get so bad if Jesus does not return all life on earth would be destroyed.
4 it will be standing when Christ returns
I was looking for a declaration from God himself but will accept those verses you gave and admit what you claimed
Will you consider what I have said it continue to post like you do. At which case ket Me know I will bow out
1 it comes after the second is destroyed by the people if the prince who has yet to Come
2 it Will be Defiled by that very prince who as Daniel is told will set himself up in that temple as god and will be put an abomination of desolation whicH the people of isreal can SEE (when you SEE the abomination that f desolation spoke of by Daniel STANDING in the holy place....(this never happened in ad 70
3 immediately after the abomination there will be great tribulation such as never before or after it will get so bad if Jesus does not return all life on earth would be destroyed.
4 it will be standing when Christ returns
I was looking for a declaration from God himself but will accept those verses you gave and admit what you claimed
Will you consider what I have said it continue to post like you do. At which case ket Me know I will bow out
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HEAR IS PROOF that IT WAS TORN DOWN BUICK BY BRICK.
That red outlined area was where I have proven in all of my posts, where the Herod's embellished TEMPLE once stood approximately. There is NO Doubt in my mind. YES that is the southwestern Part of the OPHEL, and just North of the KING DAVID's Palace. ALL THE WALLS, including the EXTERIOR WALLS, were all torn down. AND YES the City of DAVID was the Nick Name, and JERUSALEM was it's REAL NAME.
I have Several videos that substantiates this statement, as TRUTH from Official's of the City of David, posted here. As you can see it was a plowed FIELD of Potatoes in 1915, TOO.
Here is one of the Videos, where two officials from the modern City of David, admit was ANCIENT JERUSALEM:
Micah 3:12 (HCSB)
12 Therefore, because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the hill of the temple mount will be a thicket.
JERUSALEM at the TIME OF Solomon's TEMPLE.
The MYTH was that Solomon built on the HIGHEST HILL, is rebuked by this lower Hill called the Original MOUNT ZION, was the TRUE Location of the Temple that Solomon build. Prince Simon Bar Kochba in 132 A.D. after running the Roman's out of Jerusalem, ordered the TEMPLE built again, but first the Temple mount must be lowered, because the Roman's built a Temple to Jupiter, and built it on the original Temple Mount on the bedrock, defiling it. So he has a crew mining the defiled bedrock and hauling to south to a ravine to improve the southern road to Jerusalem. Simon only got as far as getting the defiled bedrock removed, when 3 years later when the Roman's attacked with 12 Legions, and Prince Simon Bar Kochba, was KILLED in Battle by the Roman's.
The video above features two of the City of David's politicians proclaiming the City of David was ANCIENT JERUSALEM, Posted June 3, 2020.
KEEP IN MIND, the JEWS still think the TEMPLE Was On Top of the highest HILL. They point to Sandals wearing down the stones, and assuming that all of them were from Pilgrims going to the TEMPLE. They FORGET, the TOP of ROCK was Fortress Antonia, that held 6000 TROOPS that had to come down that same road to patrol Jerusalem. If 50 men (or even more) were sent every half hour, that would make 100 pairs of Roman Sandals marching down that same road, per hour. So 24 Hours per day there would be 100 pairs of Roman Sandals coming down that road, that would make 2400 pairs of Roman Sandals walking down to Jerusalem, a little over 1/3 of the garrison to man the MAJOR TASK of the DAY, SO, to and fro would make it 4,800 boots OR MORE, on that paving stones, each day. To see how the JEWS Trivialize the ROMANS BEING THERE. Look at the RIDICULOUS Model they BUILT, to house 6000 Troop of the 10th Legion, plus 4000 Support Personal:
Do you think the JEWS Trivialized the SIZE OF THE FORTRESS ANTONIA, to only about 200 Troops, or what? The size of the FORTRESS to house that many Troops had to be the size of the ENTIRE COMPLEX.HERE IS REALITY!
True location of the is on the LOWER HILL, and the Hill up top was FORTRESS ANTONIA. So Sandals on the feet of Roman Soldiers wore down the road coming from the North, and Pligrims Sandals wore down the road bed coming from the South.
Acts 21:30-32 (YLT)
30 All the city also was moved and there was a running together of the people, and having laid hold on Paul, they were drawing him out of the temple, and immediately were the doors shut,
31 and they seeking to kill him, a rumour came to the chief captain of the band that all Jerusalem hath been thrown into confusion,
32 who, at once, having taken soldiers and centurions, ran down upon them, and they having seen the chief captain and the soldiers, did leave off beating Paul.
JOSEPHUS SAID THE Covered Causeways between the Fortress Antonia and the Temple Complex measured 600 feet long approximately.
The Center building in the Fortress of Antonia was called the Praetorium
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WOW! You are TOTALLY CONFUSED, and the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM DOES START UNTIL THESE EVENTS TAKE PLACE.
THESE ARE LITERAL PROPHECIES, that WILL HAPPEN EXACTLY LIKE HE DESCRIBED THEM:
Zechariah 14:1-10 (HCSB)
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley {the 144,000}, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
10 All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses. {That is all the way for just north of Jerusalem, all the way down to the Southern End of the DEAD SEA.}
All of that will LITERALLY HAPPEN JUST BEFORE HIS 1000 Year KINGDOM STARTS. NO AND's, IF's, or MAYBE's. IT WILL HAPPEN!
You are not going to HIGHJACK THIS THREAD, even if I have to put you on my Permanent IGNORE List, if I have to, and encourage everyone else to do likewise. If you want to continue this discussion, THEN do it on your own THREAD, perhaps the name of that THREAD SHOULD BE,
"I DO NOT BELIEVE BIBLE PROPHECY IS LITERAL"?
You are way off the suggestions of Keeping this for NEWS from ISRAEL on HOW, WHEN, or WHY the Jews want the TEMPLE Rebuilt.
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The poster espouses Zionism, Dispensationalism is closely related.
There will be a 3rd temple and reinstituted animal sacrifice, however it not be blessed by God, and is an (Abomination) to the finished work on Calvary.
Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
66 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
There will be a 3rd temple and reinstituted animal sacrifice, however it not be blessed by God, and is an (Abomination) to the finished work on Calvary.
Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
66 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
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oh ok just 144,000 in Israel, thats a pretty small number. I dont know the population of Israel at present, but its much more than that in the land now I gather.
the gentile nations are without number though, so unless you are of abrahams blood lineage and blinded from spiritual reality I dont think you need to be so concerned about any temple. If they are going to build it then they will start to do it, I suppose. people have no compunction of busting down existing dwelling places and evicting ppl to get the land. the abomination that causes desolation...sounds like a bomb to me.
the gentile nations are without number though, so unless you are of abrahams blood lineage and blinded from spiritual reality I dont think you need to be so concerned about any temple. If they are going to build it then they will start to do it, I suppose. people have no compunction of busting down existing dwelling places and evicting ppl to get the land. the abomination that causes desolation...sounds like a bomb to me.
Then how can it be desecrated? Honest question, because the "Abomination" is the fact Gods temple is being desecrated. I'm not just jumping on some "band wagon" here, I've really given this a lot of thought and prayer, as I'm sure you have your position, and I'm not saying this as a "therefore I'm right" statement. I'm just trying to convey my line of reasoning here, we can be just as certain of what we see in the text and both be saved. This last part I'm not saying this just to "you", I mean this in a very general sense amoungst believers and mean it to me more than anyone. We have got to start loving each other more. I know this is much less a problem in face to face interactions,l we tend to be a lot more polite and understanding when eye to eye. Anyway please know no matter what our eschatological differences are, I still regard you as a brother. Thank you for your point and I hope you can at least see the reasoning I'm using here.
Feel free to attach (Scripture) with your argument, it appears that you use the word (Desecrate) in reference to Daniel, I'm not a mind reader?
I have followed your postings Jim, it appears your in the (Preterist) camp, once again a direct question?
Do you believe in (Future) Second Coming of Jesus Christ?
James 1:8KJV
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I have followed your postings Jim, it appears your in the (Preterist) camp, once again a direct question?
Do you believe in (Future) Second Coming of Jesus Christ?
James 1:8KJV
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Dang man I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hijack anything. I was just sharing what the Lord compelled me to share. I was not trying to "start a war", or anything like that, you just don't like my questions because you still haven't even paid me the respect of answering my 2 questions. And then you accuse me of attacking you. Umm? Okay I'm sorry, but were we not going back and forth about the same level? So if I was out of line and apologized, do you need to apologize to me too, or was it only wrong for me?
That aside I sincerely apologize, and you can ignore me if you want, but I came here originally to simply share my view, and now that I've done that there's no need for me to stay. Sorry for upsetting you so horribly with my questions that you felt attacked. I beg your forgiveness and will never ask you about these things again now I know how bad they bother you, however I will leave you with this, if you can't even take the smallest bit of criticism or challenge to you beliefs, to the point you're getting so upset you have to "block" people for asking very simple, very logical questions, then maybe you shouldn't set yourself up for having your beliefs questioned by proclaiming them on a public forum. Just e-mail them to all your friends that agree with you 100% and you'll never have to defend your beliefs and can stay safely in your bubble. Just saying.
That aside I sincerely apologize, and you can ignore me if you want, but I came here originally to simply share my view, and now that I've done that there's no need for me to stay. Sorry for upsetting you so horribly with my questions that you felt attacked. I beg your forgiveness and will never ask you about these things again now I know how bad they bother you, however I will leave you with this, if you can't even take the smallest bit of criticism or challenge to you beliefs, to the point you're getting so upset you have to "block" people for asking very simple, very logical questions, then maybe you shouldn't set yourself up for having your beliefs questioned by proclaiming them on a public forum. Just e-mail them to all your friends that agree with you 100% and you'll never have to defend your beliefs and can stay safely in your bubble. Just saying.
Yes I believe He came back in their future, before that generation passed away. JUST LIKE HE SAYS WORD FOR WORD. So of course I believe He told them of a future second coming. I do NOT believe Jesus was addressing us 2000 years later as you do though.I believe Jesus was speaking to His apostles that asked Him then and there. And before anyone gets on me too bad I believe every word was FOR us, but I believe that JHesus said these words to the people right in front of Him.
I have to say that this argument, and I've had it presented to me twice in the last week, that the bible talks of a future coming judgement, they seem to not think about the fact this was written before the time I think Jesus returned in judgement of the covenant breakers at the end of that age when He destroyed the temple once and for all because it had fulfilled it's purpose in full. So I believe the "future" for those He was addressing has already passed. So YES I believe in a (Future) Second Coming of Jesus Christ? I believe it happened exactly how He said.
Do you believe a temple that God has not directly commanded man to build is "Gods temple", or "the Holy Place" they say the AoD was going to happen in?
I have to say that this argument, and I've had it presented to me twice in the last week, that the bible talks of a future coming judgement, they seem to not think about the fact this was written before the time I think Jesus returned in judgement of the covenant breakers at the end of that age when He destroyed the temple once and for all because it had fulfilled it's purpose in full. So I believe the "future" for those He was addressing has already passed. So YES I believe in a (Future) Second Coming of Jesus Christ? I believe it happened exactly how He said.
Do you believe a temple that God has not directly commanded man to build is "Gods temple", or "the Holy Place" they say the AoD was going to happen in?
Jim your words contain much double talk and concealment, without being straightforward in your response.
Jim you clearly deny a (Future) second coming of Jesus Christ from today (Sep 2nd 2020) Jim that puts you in the camp of a (Full Preterist)
Jim do you also deny a (Future) bodily resurrection of the believer?
Jim you clearly deny a (Future) second coming of Jesus Christ from today (Sep 2nd 2020) Jim that puts you in the camp of a (Full Preterist)
Jim do you also deny a (Future) bodily resurrection of the believer?
Wow I didn't notice this the first time, but you said you were going to ignore me, (fine and no problem) but then "encourage everyone else to do likewise". Guess you're not a big 1st amendment kind of guy. It amazes me how many people here jump straight to kind of childish leftist tactic of actively shutting people they disagree with down. All you'd have to do to get me to stop is ask me to stop. I'm not here to be "bad". I honestly think you're WAY over reacting to our conversation and you need to realize I'm not over here "mad" trying to get you or anything. I am just bringing up glaring problems with the teaching you're presenting here and am loving enough to say something. Heck you might learn something or see something in a way you've never seen it if I'm right, and you don't like me and want me gone but maybe God sent me here so you could open my eyes to something vital, but who cares about any of that?" lets just ignore each other, I'm sure Jesus would be proud of the body now. Took the head off and we're kicking it down the street. Praise our King!
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An abomination which causes desolation by defenition is an idle or unclean thing which is placed into a holy place of a sacred temple
This is how ever and all Jewish people would have interpreted it when Daniel was given the prophecy and jesus mentioned it in Matt 24
To make it mean anything else would be to ignore what the people who heard it would have understood it as. It’s a general part of the hermeneutical practice of interpreting the word which is called historical context
This is how ever and all Jewish people would have interpreted it when Daniel was given the prophecy and jesus mentioned it in Matt 24
To make it mean anything else would be to ignore what the people who heard it would have understood it as. It’s a general part of the hermeneutical practice of interpreting the word which is called historical context
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