Getting To Know Your Biblical Beliefs And Background?
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Because of people like you who demean, decry, and dismiss others who don't agree with your narrow views.
No label from meI don't mind being labeled. Just make sure it is the right label.
No religious background before I was saved in prison. Read the Bible for 3 years in prison and lived the book of Acts as I understood it. When I was released from prison I researched all of the main denominations to determine which ones I thought were closest to the book of Acts church pattern I had been living in prison.
After careful research I chose to affiliate with the Assemblies of God because I was in agreement with their doctrines but also their spiritual reality I found them to be the closest to the book of Acts on the earth today. Also attended a few nondenominational churches through the years that were just the same in spirit and doctrine as the AOG. My calling is to preach the Full Gospel including salvation by being born again and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for regeneration, but also including the subsequent experience of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, healing, casting out demons, all the gifts of the Holy Spirit that were in operation in the book of Acts. And a focus on the great commission.
Eschatological Belief: pre-millennial, (rapture is nonnegotiable fact that will occur before the millennial reign begins) However, pre-tribulation vs post-tribulation rapture I am not dogmatic about. I lean toward pre-tribulation but I am still researching the post-tribulation argument and deciding which hermeneutic is superior in my own mind. I have a list of books I am reading on the subject recommended by theologians and professors of seminary classes and I am not in a hurry to decide.
OK. I am ready for your label.Please by kind I cry easily.
I fully believe in the gifts for (Today) I received the gift of speaking in other tongues in my room while in prayer 43 years ago, same today as then.
I attended a few AOG churches in my early Christian Life, no real disagreement, other than I'm Ahmillennial.
Thanks for the response
If you don't want to participate, feel free to exclude yourself.
Demean, Decry, Dismiss, are in the eye of the beholder, this is a forum for debate and discussion, don't get bent on others views, draw the sword of the word and get to battle
I was the same for 20 years, and I spent a solid 6-12 months studying the Pre-Trib rapture and concluded Ahmillennial was the biblical truth
Thanks for the response!
I am of the non-denominational Christian belief. As far as eschatology goes I think post-tribulationism rapture is accurate and it will coincide with the return of Christ, resurrection, and white throne judgment.
I am not sure about millennialism versus amillennialism because I don't think the Bible is clear enough to settle it one way or another.
Ahmillennialism is our belief
It really means (No) Millennial
Ahmillennial: Second coming, resurrection of all, catching up believers, Heaven & Earth dissolved by fire, GWT final judgement of all, eternal kingdom in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, (No Millennium) Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins
Thanks for the response!
Ahmillennialism is our belief
It really means (No) Millennial
Ahmillennial: Second coming, resurrection of all, catching up believers, Heaven & Earth dissolved by fire, GWT final judgement of all, eternal kingdom in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, (No Millennium) Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins
Thanks for the response!
I probably believe in amillenialism and just didn't realize it, then. I'm not always good with these fancy theological terms.
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Have you read:No label from me
I fully believe in the gifts for (Today) I received the gift of speaking in other tongues in my room while in prayer 43 years ago, same today as then.
I attended a few AOG churches in my early Christian Life, no real disagreement, other than I'm Ahmillennial.
Thanks for the response
The Parousia A Careful Look at the New Testament Doctrine of our Lord’s Second Coming, By James Stuart Russell
It is in the public domain. Written in 1878 I think. It is supposed to be a very good presentation of hermeneutics from the amillennial point of view. I have started it plan to finish someday as I have time. The copy I am reading has a forward by both Spurgeon and RC Sproul who even though they do not agree with all of the theology declare that he has some really good things to say about it.
In determining which interpretation is best I am persuaded by which author does a better job of following all the rules of hermeneutics.
I want to read the best arguments from each position before I determine which one is weak in heremeneutics and which is strong. So far I lean toward pre-tribulation, pre-millenial but I have not finished studying each view.
Yes.. This is the first reasurection..
Revelation 20: KJV
4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
The (First Resurrection) seen in Revelation 20:6 you present, is nothing more than the (First Resurrection) of the believer to life seen below, the second resurrection or second death is to eternal damnation.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Like other prophesies in the OT about Jesus First and Second Coming. There is no indication of a gap. We know now that some prophesies were about his first coming and there are others to be fulfilled at his second coming but you cant tell that when reading the prophesies before Jesus came and explained some things. Jesus is reminding them of Dan 12:3 and yet we see from Rev this does not all happen on the same day.
We will disagree
Rev 20:6 below states?
(Blessed) is he that hath part in the (First Resurrection) the believers past/future as seen in John 5:28-29 below, as the believer is once again (Blessed) not to be in the (Second Resurrection) in John 5:28-29 to damnation.
Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
(Two Resurrection Are Seen Below)
(First/Life) (Second/Death)
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
S
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The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.We will disagree
Rev 20:6 below states?
(Blessed) is he that hath part in the (First Resurrection) the believers past/future as seen in John 5:28-29 below, as the believer is once again (Blessed) not to be in the (Second Resurrection) in John 5:28-29 to damnation.
Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
(Two Resurrection Are Seen Below)
(First/Life) (Second/Death)
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(The Rest Of The Dead) are believers partaking in the (First Resurrection) seen in John 5:28-29 below, verse (6) does nothing more than explain this (First Resurrection)
Revelation 20:5-6KJV
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
(Two Resurrection Are Seen Below)
(First/Life) (Second/Death)
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Scribe I followed Dispensationalism for 20 years, after learning the system in Calvary Chapels, and Baptist Churches, I followed without question.
Revelation 20:1-6 below is a depiction 100% in the Lord's (Spiritual Realm) of no earthly time, one day is a thousand (No Time)
Dispensationalism uses these verse and the word (Thousand Years) and they literally try to build a kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?
Then they wander throughout scripture, attaching kingdoms seen in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, trying to validate Revelation 20:1-6 with the references?
Scribe there is no kingdom on earth seen below, it's 100% spiritual
Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ
Yes the foundation in teaching of a (Literal) 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is (False)
Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
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Scribe I followed Dispensationalism for 20 years, after learning the system in Calvary Chapels, and Baptist Churches, I followed without question.
Revelation 20:1-6 below is a depiction 100% in the Lord's (Spiritual Realm) of no earthly time, one day is a thousand (No Time)
Dispensationalism uses these verse and the word (Thousand Years) and they literally try to build a kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?
Then they wander throughout scripture, attaching kingdoms seen in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, trying to validate Revelation 20:1-6 with the references?
Scribe there is no kingdom on earth seen below, it's 100% spiritual
Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ
Yes the foundation in teaching of a (Literal) 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is (False)
Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The Kingdom of God is both. A spiritual kingdom and a future literal. Only those who enter into the spiritual kingdom now will take part in the literal kingdom later. There is also a Now and an Not Yet aspect.
George Eldon Ladd has written an exceptionally thorough exegesis on the subject that is often quoted by theologians. I found a pdf version for download but it might not be out there anymore.
The Presence of the Future: The Eschatology of Biblical Realism
(Respectfully) You have given total Disregard to my post, I don't need a referenced theologian, Revelation 20:1-6 dosent support a (Literal Tangible Kingdom) on this earth as Dispensationalism falsely teaches, simple.
Scribe I followed Dispensationalism for 20 years, after learning the system in Calvary Chapels, and Baptist Churches, I followed without question.
Revelation 20:1-6 below is a depiction 100% in the Lord's (Spiritual Realm) of no earthly time, one day is a thousand (No Time)
Dispensationalism uses these verse and the word (Thousand Years) and they literally try to build a kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present?
Then they wander throughout scripture, attaching kingdoms seen in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, trying to validate Revelation 20:1-6 with the references?
Scribe there is no kingdom on earth seen below, it's 100% spiritual
Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ
Yes the foundation in teaching of a (Literal) 1,000 year kingdom on this earth is (False)
Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.