Did Jesus sweat real blood in the garden?

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MyrtleTrees

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I think you are correct. The phrase, "as it were" (one word in the Greek), could mean "like". There is no second verse to support making a doctrine out of it.
Yes, I think you are right! And I have seen other verses too, that use that phrase "as it were" in them too. Someone mentioned some to me the other day, here.
 
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I get that but I'm more speaking to creating the thread...it seems like a dispute just to have a dispute. If it isn't meant to convey that there was blood in the sweat I see no purpose in contesting it, kind of like those who argue over whether the robe placed on Jesus was dark red or purple since without reading deeply into the matter it all just seems rather trivial. In either case the description is meant to convey a sense of agony, and it is an agony we cannot fathom. So then what does it matter if one finds the medical case incredible or if one believes there physically was blood present?

I would think in that parable of working sufferings unto death as the father poured out the cup of wrath. The Spirit of Christ could of used water and blood . to metaphors that represent the work of the Spirit of Christ that he works in us. Paul labored as in pains hoping Christ through the gospel would be formed in Timothy

But to indicate the unseen work of sufferings he used sweat .in the same way he uses spit in a another parable, or dew in another or rain in another as a way of representing the living water of the word . The doctrines that fall inspired from above coming down our our hard hearts.

I another parable he uses water and blood to quench the thirst for hearing the gospel. David poured out the wather as if it was blood and would not drink it poured it out to the Lord not seen Literal sweat like literal blood without the essence of spirt life is dead it cannot perform any work other that returning to the dust.

Both the JW'S and the Catholic desire that literal blood without the Spirit could profit. One imagines they are drinking literal blood the other forbids it also forbidding the father who empower the Son to perform the labor of their love.

Drinking literal blood signifies a person has sweat working in jeopardy of their own spirit life yoked with the life of another. .

Note . . .Water or blood as it . the work of the unseen Holy Spirit

1 Chronicles 11 King James Version (KJV) And David was then in the hold, and the Philistines' garrison was then at Bethlehem. And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, that is at the gate! And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord.
And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest.

Why did the Lord forbid it?
 

Lanolin

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not sure Ive ever seen anyone sweat blood.

Although theres the common saying 'blood, sweat and tears' . If it was really blood would the Bible have said he was bleeding in the garden instead?

I think most people read it symbolically like he was in great agony or pain. I suppose you might need to go back to the original translation of the greek to figure out what it meant.
 
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They are just stumbling over the "as it were" way of speaking. It simply means he was sweating blood. It was not just blood alone, it was sweat coming out of sweat pores but since it was mixed with blood and not clear but blood tinged it was like blood to the observer. They are wondering if it just meant great drops of sweat. And no, that would not deliver the same meaning as sweat that looked like it had blood in it when it comes to describing the level of agony. It is pretty obvious that mentioning blood at all would only make sense if the sweat was tinged with blood not if it was clear sweat. No one says "your sweat looks like great drops of blood" unless they see red in the sweat. I don't understand why people can't comprehend the intended meaning but I suppose it would the level of familiarity with certain phrases used in literature.

Its not when we see the red . used as a shadow in parables But when he see it then he wil move men by his faith worliking in the then then will sweat like Juses h when the father was orking to stenthen him .

The life of the flesh is in the blood. that livfe is spirit life. .

12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.

13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

It was the bloodless work (the witness of God) "two" working as one before the crucifixion demonstration the bloody work. The witness of men a multitude. believers and unbelievers . . . the "legion" . .
 

Lanolin

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Does praying earnestly make YOU sweat?

Have you ever done it? Prayed until your sweated it all out? Ive had tears, but I dont recall sweat although the way that some jewish people pray you think they are doing an entire workout.
 
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not sure Ive ever seen anyone sweat blood.

Although theres the common saying 'blood, sweat and tears' . If it was really blood would the Bible have said he was bleeding in the garden instead?

I think most people read it symbolically like he was in great agony or pain. I suppose you might need to go back to the original translation of the greek to figure out what it meant.
I would offer. Blood and faith, or blood as faith does not mix. A distinction must be made , between the things of God not seen, and those of man seen.

The first part of the three day and night in the heart of the earth or belly of the whale. "A place of extreme suffering" is in the demonstration in the garden of Gethsemane" . It was then the father began pouring out the cup of wrath and the Son suffered unto death, sufferings being strengthened to finish the work . It was promised in Isiah 53. A demonstration of the Father and Son working alone. And as revealed there was no help in strengthening prayer a work from the disciples. It could not be part of the demonstration of the Isaiah 53 parable . It was the work of two.

The demonstration of Father and Son alone working was to provide the peace of God that surpasses our understanding Giving us his understanding working in us. Two "the witness of God" . No Father, no Son. . . . .No Son, no Father.

After waking up the witness of man, the disciples, then the three day demonstration of the lamb of God slain for sin moved to part two. . . the cross demonstration. The witness of man. Where a multitude of people were part, some cheering, some sufferings, others wondering.. working praying.

Making literal blood the source of spirit life leads as a example of Catholicism. They had one recently and he disappeared underground . the bible calls them a worker with as familiar spirit called Padre Pio.(patron saint) One who many say they commune with even today to aid their faith from doubt. Some say they can smell Padre Pio's presence.

His hands bled continuously . He also could be in two different places at the same time etc .He as a lying spirit is said to still bringing lying signs as wonders to draw men away from the faith of Christ. Christ's labor of love that works in us as it is written. That showed they did not understand how to hear by faith as it is written.

I would offer. Blood and living water represents spirit life. Either blood or water has no life of its own .It returns to the field of clay from where it came from.

It would seem the JW's misunderstand the hearing of faith (Christ's)as it is written by taking away the God given use of literal blood while a person still has life. They literally must refuse it as a law of their fathers that lord it over the pew sitters faith . The life of the flesh is in the blood . Spirit life is not blood or water.

Jesus sweat, real sweat in first demonstration .Real blood in phase two the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 
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Does praying earnestly make YOU sweat?

Have you ever done it? Prayed until your sweated it all out? Ive had tears, but I dont recall sweat although the way that some jewish people pray you think they are doing an entire workout.
Prayer is a work of Christ working in us .He gives us something to cry to and a answer as a living hope . Jesus had the wrath of sin, eternal damnation poured on him. Unimaginable shown as sweat.

Prayer is a work. Christ moved David His choice of a king to represent him to record many prayers he taught David that worked in David . He had plenty experience learning about green pastures. Its where his family left him knowing the prophet Samuel came to anoint. It was almost like his family did not want to be embarrassed with stinky David and his parables as psalms. The poetic tongue of God.
 

Dino246

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Its not when we see the red . used as a shadow in parables But when he see it then he wil move men by his faith worliking in the then then will sweat like Juses h when the father was orking to stenthen him .

The life of the flesh is in the blood. that livfe is spirit life. .

12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.

13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

It was the bloodless work (the witness of God) "two" working as one before the crucifixion demonstration the bloody work. The witness of men a multitude. believers and unbelievers . . . the "legion" . .
I'm not sure if you're having issues with your eyesight or if you are just not bothering to proofread your posts, but your spelling errors are getting worse.
 
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I'm not sure if you're having issues with your eyesight or if you are just not bothering to proofread your posts, but your spelling errors are getting worse.

Thanks I missed that.