You mean to say that world in John 3:16 actually means world, and not some diametrically opposed algorithm embraced by pharisaic eliminators of grace?
What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?
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EleventhHour
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Incorrect we have X = X
A lost man can hear the gospel and respond, believing what he heard is truth .. and God will give him eternal life
X is given the opportunity to believe but chooses not to believe.thanks, this is the good part
we've got X ≠ X -- the lost becomes found! Adam is taken from the ground where he was made and placed in the garden - why not created in the garden? why not walk there himself? how far away was he made? why did he have to be placed?
how does X become 'not X' ?
there's some function applied G(X) = Y, and we're not talking about X anymore, we're talking about Y
X, by Theorem John 3:18, is condemned. not saved. by definition, because X does not believe
it is Y, who believes, that is saved.
X is the preimage of Y, and G transforms X, mapping it to Y
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if Y believes, X is no more -- Y is a new creation, effected by G
so what is G?
how does G act on X?
does G originate with X?
is G 1:1? is G onto? does an inverse G' exist?
Matthew 11:27 / Luke 10:22 say what FGC said. So there's a difference in what Paul means about everyone knowing the plainly evident things of Gods existence and what Christ says about no one knowing God except who He chooses to reveal Himself to.
Matthew 11:28-30 shows Jesus Christ offering an open invitation to everyone.
You're not following.
The unbelieving do not believe.
The unbelieving are condemned.
The believing believe.
The believing are saved.
The unbelieving are not the believing. X is not Y.
To become believing there must be a transformation G(X) = Y
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eternally-gratefull
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Romans 1 says although the knew god...
sorry bro FGC is in error
there is no such thing as a true atheist
How can anyone believe before they are saved?....God saves us,which brings us to believe....how else can we believe,how can we bring ourselves to believe?
I agree no one has an excuse for atheism
But awareness of His existence and qualities is not the same as knowing Him - He says to know Him is eternal life.
How does He say this?
Jeremiah 4:22
" For My people [are] foolish, They have not known Me. They [are] silly children, And they have no understanding. They [are] wise to do evil, But to do good they have no knowledge."
Before I became born again.....I remember seeing a lot of bible books in the vicar house,I worked in,he preach to me a lot.......how could I believe,without God drawing me to him and opening up my heart,to receive him....God brought me to salvation in his timing.....that’s my belief.
When God saves you,you know it in your spirit,there is no doubt whatsoever.
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EleventhHour
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The believing come to belief by hearing the message of the Gospel and responding, they enter through the narrow gate, God does not drag them through.
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EleventhHour
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You mean to say that world in John 3:16 actually means world, and not some diametrically opposed algorithm embraced by pharisaic eliminators of grace?
I for the life of me cannot wrap my head around why anyone who would want to fashion God into this anti biblical design.
They seek to deny what God gave each man, the ability to be persuaded and respond to the Gospel call, so that even the angels in heaven rejoice.
Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”
Luke15:10
Yet they state they cannot boast because God does it all and gives them an advantage.. sure that makes sense.
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eternally-gratefull
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I agree no one has an excuse for atheism
But awareness of His existence and qualities is not the same as knowing Him - He says to know Him is eternal life.
How does He say this?
Jeremiah 4:22
" For My people [are] foolish, They have not known Me. They [are] silly children, And they have no understanding. They [are] wise to do evil, But to do good they have no knowledge."
They still have no excuse.
Romans 1:18–22 (NKJV): For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools
they know god they just refuse to acknowledge him hence why they have no excuse because if you continue. It also says they understand the penalty of sin
Man can lay hold of redemption in Christ Jesus by the works of faith.
just like Abraham did in the beginning as our example and was declared righteous as a result of his works in faith.
That is true, He shows us our blindness and need of Him so we are then free to choose.
He presents us/confronts us with the choice.
"Choose this day whom you will serve"
Just like we are to preach the Gospel and function in that same capacity of presenting people with the choice so they can know they have have been given a choice in Jesus and choose for themselves.