THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

[VCO]

There is one new man in Christ. (Jew and gentile)

That does not change the fact that the orthodox jew will be regrafted into the bride population.

Nor the fact that the temple is a marker of dispensation.

In order for the ac to rule and defile it ...it must be re established.

It will be re established .

It is fascinating watching it all come together.

Further,the throne of David will be re established.

That is why a new Jerusalem must be installed(the throne of david is eternal and reoccupied by Jesus).

That is what is going on.

The two folds, do not become ONE FLOCK, until the RAPTURE, but that is a DIFFERENT SUBJECT, and does not fit this subject. Here the subject is what is happening in ISRAEL, that is PREPARING to build the THIRD TEMPLE. So someone needs to start a new THREAD, labeled just "END TIMES". Then we could feel free to talk about anything and everything pertaining END TIMES PROPHECY.

Here is Jesus talking to the last of the Old Testament Fold, telling them that HE has other sheep, the New Testatment FOLD, and the Two will become ONE FLOCK at the RAPTURE.

John 10:14-16 (HCSB)
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know My own sheep, and they know Me,
15 as the Father knows Me, and I know the Father. I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 But I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice.
Then {obviously at the RAPTURE} there will be one flock, one shepherd.


Make room for the Old Testament Saints, who BELIEVED MESSIAH would come to pay for their Sins. They are part of the BRIDE ALSO. In fact they are out of the grave before us.

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 (HCSB)
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward,
at His coming, those who belong to Christ. {obviously at the RAPTURE}
24 Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (HCSB)
13 We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who have no hope.
14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, in the same way God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep {Euphemism for those who have died.} through Jesus.
15 For we say this to you by a revelation from the Lord: We who are still alive at the Lord’s coming will certainly have no advantage over those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.


NO, I am not trying to derail this THREAD, but I thought is was a statement I must comment on. Please someone start a THREAD for all "END TIMES PROPHECY", and we will post our comments there. Or you can use one of my own OLD THREADS:

THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, that is when we are CALLED OUT to got to the WEDDING of the LAMB.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...bride-to-go-to-the-wedding-of-the-lamb.95283/

I still stand 100% behind this TRUTH.

 

[VCO]

This is all very interesting, and I think there is an excellent case to be made for it. I truly do. The only problem I see with a "third temple" is the fact it wouldn't be Gods temple, it would be mans. The huge glaring problem I see with even the concept of a "third temple" is the fact that cannon is closed and He ordered no such temple built. EVERYTHING the temple was purposed for, EVERYTHING it shadowed and pointed to was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Right?

Another follow up point is the temple that the AoD takes place in, the alter that is desecrated is in Gods temple, it is Gods alter a pig was sacrificed on, not a counterfeit temple. So if the AoD takes place in "THE" temple of God, and this temple no longer exist, then the real problem is God's temple was judged and destroyed just like Jesus said already, God has given us His word completed and nowhere in it orders His people (Christian or Jew) to build a new temple, as a matter of fact tells us we are the temple now.

Now my two main points to conclude are that scripture has closed without God ordering us to build a 3rd temple, so anything built claiming to be "Gods temple" would have to be a total counterfeit, so could not be desecrated nor fulfill everything described in His word. The other angle is God could order the Jews to rebuild the temple, only this would first mean cannon is NOT closed, but more than that even, why on earth would a God like ours order the reestablishment of a system that points to something that took place already, and even more than that obviously this very system failed the first time around to convince many of them.

When you really start thinking this futurist idea out it is really a pretty flimsy teaching without much support in scripture without taking verses out of context.

My opinion, it is GOD WHO WANTS it Built to FULFILL Prophecy.

Isaiah 46:11-13 (NCV)
11 I am calling a man from the east to carry out my plan; he will come like a hawk from a country far away. I will make what I have said come true; I will do what I have planned.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn people, who are far from what is right.
13 I will soon do the things that are right. I will bring salvation soon. I will save Jerusalem and bring glory to Israel.“

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (NCV)
3 Do not let anyone fool you in any way. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens and the Man of Evil {Antichrist}, who is on his way to hell, appears.
4 He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God’s Temple and sit there and say that he is God.
5 I told you when I was with you that all this would happen. Do you not remember?


Who inspired all Scripture ? ? ?

How many Seats are in the TEMPLE ? ? ?

Only ONE!

For that reason, I do not think GOD cares what site the Temple is on, and may even want it on the wrong site.

Do you know that in the Millennial Kingdom, the Mortals will have a RELIGION, and it will not be Christianity as we KNOW IT ? ? ?

Do you know there is Prophesied a FOURTH TEMPLE ? ? ?

Do you KNOW that the Festival of Tabernacles or Booths, has a MANDATORY of at least Two trips to the TEMPLE OF GOD ? ? ?


Zechariah 14:16-18 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths {Tabernacles}.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

Did I just hear a BUBBLE of Christian PRIDE, that went POP!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this whole temple thing makes clear the teaching of Jesus
the temple now resides in us and not in a temple
the truth lives in us and this is the true temple
whether or not a physical temple exists doesn't change the truth of this

True

it scripture also says there will be another temple and Jesus will rule from it after an abomination of desolation and great tribulation occures

whether or not the true temple is within us or not does not change this truth

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is all very interesting, and I think there is an excellent case to be made for it. I truly do. The only problem I see with a "third temple" is the fact it wouldn't be Gods temple, it would be mans. The huge glaring problem I see with even the concept of a "third temple" is the fact that cannon is closed and He ordered no such temple built. EVERYTHING the temple was purposed for, EVERYTHING it shadowed and pointed to was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Right?

Another follow up point is the temple that the AoD takes place in, the alter that is desecrated is in Gods temple, it is Gods alter a pig was sacrificed on, not a counterfeit temple. So if the AoD takes place in "THE" temple of God, and this temple no longer exist, then the real problem is God's temple was judged and destroyed just like Jesus said already, God has given us His word completed and nowhere in it orders His people (Christian or Jew) to build a new temple, as a matter of fact tells us we are the temple now.

Now my two main points to conclude are that scripture has closed without God ordering us to build a 3rd temple, so anything built claiming to be "Gods temple" would have to be a total counterfeit, so could not be desecrated nor fulfill everything described in His word. The other angle is God could order the Jews to rebuild the temple, only this would first mean cannon is NOT closed, but more than that even, why on earth would a God like ours order the reestablishment of a system that points to something that took place already, and even more than that obviously this very system failed the first time around to convince many of them.

When you really start thinking this futurist idea out it is really a pretty flimsy teaching without much support in scripture without taking verses out of context.

1 it is a temple in jerusalem

2. it is built after rome destroys the second temple

3. it will be defiled by a furure prince of rome, after of which there will be great tribulation

4. at the end of this tribulation, The final gentile kingdom will have been destroyed, Isreal,will have repented and been restored, and Jesus will rule in that temple

 

[Jimbone]

1 it is a temple in jerusalem (Right, it was)

2. it is built after rome destroys the second temple (where on earth does it say this?)

3. it will be defiled by a furure prince of rome, after of which there will be great tribulation (unless it already took place and you're waiting while you could be evangelizing)

4. at the end of this tribulation, The final gentile kingdom will have been destroyed, Isreal,will have repented and been restored, and Jesus will rule in that temple (I think you're confusing two different ends, the end of the AGE Jesus described to Hid followers in Mat 24, and the very end where we dwell with Him forever)

Honestly none of this tells us to build a temple, really I think it describes what was going to happen in 70 AD when the covenant breakers were judged and the end of that age came. I believe you have to BRING that idea into the text to make it even seem that's the case. He NEVER orders us to build another temple, but now lets shift to the logic behind another temple, because you skipped right over how ridiculously backwards ordering a temple build that points to something that already happen. What would be the purpose of re-instituting a system for the Jews that not only can't save them, but one they already rejected once?. How does God making a temple on earth make any sense at all? Please address this, address the
PURPOSE of a 3rd temple. I mean I understand that it's just what the leaders and teachers you respect most have taught you however long you've been listening to them, but without bringing this idea too the text, it's not in there, it just doesn't say that.

 

[Jimbone]

My opinion, it is GOD WHO WANTS it Built to FULFILL Prophecy.

Isaiah 46:11-13 (NCV)
11 I am calling a man from the east to carry out my plan; he will come like a hawk from a country far away. I will make what I have said come true; I will do what I have planned.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn people, who are far from what is right.
13 I will soon do the things that are right. I will bring salvation soon. I will save Jerusalem and bring glory to Israel.“

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (NCV)
3 Do not let anyone fool you in any way. That day of the Lord will not come until the turning away from God happens and the Man of Evil {Antichrist}, who is on his way to hell, appears.
4 He will be against and put himself above anything called God or anything that people worship. And that Man of Evil will even go into God’s Temple and sit there and say that he is God.
5 I told you when I was with you that all this would happen. Do you not remember?


Who inspired all Scripture ? ? ?

How many Seats are in the TEMPLE ? ? ?

Only ONE!

For that reason, I do not think GOD cares what site the Temple is on, and may even want it on the wrong site.

Do you know that in the Millennial Kingdom, the Mortals will have a RELIGION, and it will not be Christianity as we KNOW IT ? ? ?

Do you know there is Prophesied a FOURTH TEMPLE ? ? ?

Do you KNOW that the Festival of Tabernacles or Booths, has a MANDATORY of at least Two trips to the TEMPLE OF GOD ? ? ?


Zechariah 14:16-18 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths {Tabernacles}.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

Did I just hear a BUBBLE of Christian PRIDE, that went POP!

With all due respect you said NOTHING at all about the glaring issues I presented. All you said in this huge post was " Because God wants to". Horrible empty argument. I believe He already did these things and you said nothing at all to support your assertion.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Honestly none of this tells us to build a temple, really I think it describes what was going to happen in 70 AD when the covenant breakers were judged and the end of that age came. I believe you have to BRING that idea into the text to make it even seem that's the case. He NEVER orders us to build another temple, but now lets shift to the logic behind another temple, because you skipped right over how ridiculously backwards ordering a temple build that points to something that already happen. What would be the purpose of re-instituting a system for the Jews that not only can't save them, but one they already rejected once?. How does God making a temple on earth make any sense at all? Please address this, address the
PURPOSE of a 3rd temple. I mean I understand that it's just what the leaders and teachers you respect most have taught you however long you've been listening to them, but without bringing this idea too the text, it's not in there, it just doesn't say that.

1. Who said anything about being told to build a temple? Prophecy states what will happen it’s not a command
2 ad 70 does not fit for one there was no
Abomination set up And there Was
No great tribulation which was the greatest the world would ever see (ww1 and ww2 were for greater tribulations) and number three christ did
Not return

 

[Jimbone]

1. Who said anything about being told to build a temple? EXACTLY
Prophecy states what will happen it’s not a command, (NO you say "Prophecy states" this, but only if you believe Jesus was a liar when He said "Truly I tell YOU THIS GENERATION will NOT pass away before ALL these things come to pass", alone with the MANY other verses that say the same thing and those that support it. Look you can believe what you want, and I'm going to do the same, but you don't get to redefine the text to support your preconceived notion. The ONLY thing I'm trying to point out is without bringing this futurist idea to the text, you'd never get this view from the text alone. That's a HUGE red flag, and another flag is being so attached to this belief that you actually disobey the main command Jesus left us with and will attack others that don't believe the same.
Abomination set up And there Was 2 ad 70 does not fit for one there was no
No great tribulation which was the greatest the world would ever see (ww1 and ww2 were for greater tribulations) and number three Christ did (opinion and nothing more, mothers eating their own babies, the streets literally flowing with blood, eating dung because of hunger. How do you know these other examples are worse?)
Not return This is our BIGGEST disagreement right here. You believe Jesus will be king "one day", I believe the bible tells us He is King right now, seated at the right hand, granted all authority in heaven and on earth, reigning until ALL enemies have been made a footstool for His feet. I believe Jesus IS King right now. You don't.

Well I'm just going by how He ordered the last two built. Why would He not this time? How could it even be God's temple if He doesn't order it built? Dang you must be aware of how incoherently irrational, and illogical a 3rd temple would be, because you won't even acknowledge or touch that subject will you? If I had a view that the further I got into it, the more I had to try to twist, justify, add to, and bend His word to fit it, I would really start to question the veracity of the claim.

I love how this view fits so perfectly, that's why I believe it and not the "snatched out of my underwear" Hollywood theology. In all these words, you've brought nothing of real substance to refute the impossibility of a 3rd temple. In my opinion. You have not made an argument at all, let alone a convincing one. I am not trying to be insulting here, but am trying to point it out to you, honestly you haven't presented one thing that could even be considered an argument. You're really just kind of saying "I say the Bible says it". That's not an argument, just telling me how YOU interpret the text does nothing to make a case, you're really just repeating to me what you already believe. Cool I gotcha, and reject it fully. A better case you could make, and one you haven't dared to touch yet, is explaining to me how does a backwards step make any sense for a God so perfect and solid to do, what's the purpose? How does a 3rd temple make sense in light of the gospel of the kingdom?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well I'm just going by how He ordered the last two built. Why would He not this time? How could it even be God's temple if He doesn't order it built? Dang you must be aware of how incoherently irrational, and illogical a 3rd temple would be, because you won't even acknowledge or touch that subject will you? If I had a view that the further I got into it, the more I had to try to twist, justify, add to, and bend His word to fit it, I would really start to question the veracity of the claim.

please show where god ordered the second to be built

And remember. Daniel prophesied of another temple being built. So you already have an issue

Prophecy says specific things will happen. If They did Not happen. We do not change prophecy because we do not like it
so calm your attitude dude I am not afraid of anything

I love how this view fits so perfectly, that's why I believe it and not the "snatched out of my underwear" Hollywood theology. In all these words, you've brought nothing of real substance to refute the impossibility of a 3rd temple. In my opinion. You have not made an argument at all, let alone a convincing one. I am not trying to be insulting here, but am trying to point it out to you, honestly you haven't presented one thing that could even be considered an argument. You're really just kind of saying "I say the Bible says it". That's not an argument, just telling me how YOU interpret the text does nothing to make a case, you're really just repeating to me what you already believe. Cool I gotcha, and reject it fully. A better case you could make, and one you haven't dared to touch yet, is explaining to me how does a backwards step make any sense for a God so perfect and solid to do, what's the purpose? How does a 3rd temple make sense in light of the gospel of the kingdom?

There is your problem. Your trying to insert a new temple into a gospel the new temple has nothing to do with the gospel. When you try to force it in there you confuse things. So this is why you can not see

The third temple is about prophecy and about what God has fortold will happen if You try it into the gospel you take it out of context. Sadly that’s what many of you do then you come with an attitude at those of us who just look at what prophecy says

70AD does not fit in any shape or fashion. Instead of attacking me for
Not wanting to look at it. You look at it!

 

[Lanolin]

That is a figure of speech.

so was the fig tree that withered in front of the disciples eyes a figure of speech too or an ACTUAL fig?

 

[Lanolin]

well. You just have to go there or get invited to the city. Maybe the sacrifice part will just be for those who want to have a bbq at the Lords supper. I mean you wont need it if you already had yours and eaten already.

am sure if its in Gods plan we'll be invited one day. I guess what the jews are banking on is 'we build it they will come'. apparently the site of the holy sepulchre (Jesus tomb) has been renovated. Theres a special piece of rock thats said to be the exact spot where Jesus body lay. Obviously NOW Jesus body is not there, but people still go there to gawk at the rock.

 

[Lanolin]

Can you imagine how massive the Lords supper/passover would be in Jerusalem if everyone was invited in the entire world.

The muslims set up their own imitation ritual called the hajj. They also observe ramadan. But at least Mecca isnt in the same place as Jerusalem cos it would get overcrowded if it was.

 

[Jimbone]

please show where god ordered the second to be built

Ezra 1:2-3
2“Thus says King Cyrus of Persia: The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem in Judah. 3Any of those among you who are of his people—may their God be with them!—are now permitted to go up to Jerusalem in Judah, and rebuild the house of the Lord, the God of Israel—he is the God who is in Jerusalem;


And remember. Daniel prophesied of another temple being built. So you already have an issue

Prophecy says specific things will happen. If They did Not happen. We do not change prophecy because we do not like it
so calm your attitude dude I am not afraid of anything
You're silly and so far off of everything. Daniel was living in the exile, after the 1st temple was destroyed, and before the 2nd temple was built. So he just skips the 2nd temple and prophesies about the 3rd? Think maybe he was talking about the second temple? I do. See you preconceived idea that you bring to the text destroys everything and makes your see problems that aren't even there and makes something so simple straight forward and accessible to everyone and turn it into this complex mess of chaos that no one can understand without a guru and 10 charts.



There is your problem. Your trying to insert a new temple into a gospel the new temple has nothing to do with the gospel. When you try to force it in there you confuse things. So this is why you can not see

Your problem is you ADD to His word. That's YOUR problem since we know how =to fix each other so well. Work on your problem and I'll work on mine.

The third temple is about prophecy and about what God has fortold will happen if You try it into the gospel you take it out of context. Sadly that’s what many of you do then you come with an attitude at those of us who just look at what prophecy says

70AD does not fit in any shape or fashion. Instead of attacking me for
Not wanting to look at it. You look at it!

Stop attacking me, stop being mean to me. Boo hoo hoo. Where we not just discussing this? Why you have to turn it into a 3 year old fight? I wasn't attacking you, just because you don't agree doesn't mean I'm attacking. Why is it not you who's attacking me?

 

[VCO]

With all due respect you said NOTHING at all about the glaring issues I presented. All you said in this huge post was " Because God wants to". Horrible empty argument. I believe He already did these things and you said nothing at all to support your assertion.

I am not talking about what comes AFTER the TEMPLE IS BUILT, and will not. That is a person trying to derail the thread, into something that he wants to talk about. The SUBJECT is NEWS from ISRAEL that shows how, when, and where they will build the THIRD TEMPLE. I believe GOD will and has orchestrated HIS PLAN PERFECTLY. NO HUMAN BEING CAN DERAIL HIS PLAN.

 

[Jimbone]

I am not talking about what comes AFTER the TEMPLE IS BUILT, and will not. That is a person trying to derail the thread, into something that he wants to talk about. The SUBJECT is NEWS from ISRAEL that shows how, when, and where they will build the THIRD TEMPLE. I believe GOD will and has orchestrated HIS PLAN PERFECTLY. NO HUMAN BEING CAN DERAIL HIS PLAN.

I didn't say a thing about what comes after the temple is built, I believe it was already built and torn down brick by brick just like Jesus said, so??????????? So what if men build a house of men somewhere? Men build meaningless false temples all the time. What's one more?
I also agree, who is the fool that said A human being could derail His plans? We can go rebuke him together because I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. So why are you saying it to me? This comment seems to have absolutely nothing at all to do with mine what so ever. I appreciate the comment though. Have a great day.

 

[VCO]

so was the fig tree that withered in front of the disciples eyes a figure of speech too or an ACTUAL fig?

QUOTE:
D. The Lesson of the Barren Fig Tree (11:20-26)

11:20-23 On the morning following the cursing of the fig tree, the disciples passed it on their way to Jerusalem. It had withered away from the roots up. When Peter mentioned this to the Lord, He simply said, "Have faith in God." But what do these words have to do with the fig tree? The following verses show that Jesus was encouraging faith as the means to remove difficulties. If disciples have faith in God, they can deal with the problem of fruitlessness, and remove mountainous obstacles.


However, these verses do not give a person authority to pray for miraculous powers for his own convenience or acclaim. Every act of faith must rest on the promise of God. If we know that it is God's will to remove a certain difficulty, then we can pray with utter confidence that it will be done. In fact, we can pray with confidence on any subject as long as we are confident it is according to God's will as revealed in the Bible or by the inner witness of the Spirit.


Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding. END QUOTE.


Please refrain from asking question OFF SUBJECT. The Subject is: NEWS from ISRAEL about How, When, and Where they will build the THIRD TEMPLE.

 

[VCO]

I didn't say a thing about what comes after the temple is built, I believe it was already built and torn down brick by brick just like Jesus said, so??????????? So what if men build a house of men somewhere? Men build meaningless false temples all the time. What's one more?
I also agree, who is the fool that said A human being could derail His plans? We can go rebuke him together because I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. So why are you saying it to me? This comment seems to have absolutely nothing at all to do with mine what so ever. I appreciate the comment though. Have a great day.

That is a reference to the SECOND TEMPLE, The Jews literally believe they are about the build the THIRD TEMPLE. THEN after JESUS CHRIST comes back and Starts HIS Millennial KINGDOM, there will be a FOURTH TEMPLE, so you need to read the REST OF MY POSTS, as I have answered it all.

 

[Jimbone]

please show where god ordered the second to be built

And remember. Daniel prophesied of another temple being built. So you already have an issue

Prophecy says specific things will happen. If They did Not happen. We do not change prophecy because we do not like it
so calm your attitude dude I am not afraid of anything



There is your problem. Your trying to insert a new temple into a gospel the new temple has nothing to do with the gospel. When you try to force it in there you confuse things. So this is why you can not see

The third temple is about prophecy and about what God has fortold will happen if You try it into the gospel you take it out of context. Sadly that’s what many of you do then you come with an attitude at those of us who just look at what prophecy says

70AD does not fit in any shape or fashion. Instead of attacking me for
Not wanting to look at it. You look at it!

Oh yea here's a 2nd place the 2nd temple was ordered built.
2Chr 36:23
23“Thus says King Cyrus of Persia: The Lord, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all his people, may the Lord his God be with him! Let him go up.”

So now that I've show proof, you want to go on and explain why the 3rd temple will be different? Bet you can't, and don't.

 

[Lanolin]

the fig tree relates to the temple because there are NO fig trees only olives on the mount near where the temple used to be.
In revelation there will be the tree of life where the river is flowing from the throne of God, and it actually states there is no temple there.

do you not read the Bible and understand it?

it could be another temple is built somehwhere ELSE but in the middle of the holy city there is no temple according to Revelation

 

[Lanolin]

When Jesus said the mountain, he was with the disciples and probably even standing ON the mountain, since Jerusalem is on a raised area above everywhere else, though its not what most people would think of as a mountain (like one with snow on it)