Chosen by God - A study in Election
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The truth in your first statement is clear, simple and biblical truth. Amen!!
Calvinism twists, changes, denies God's gracious choice. Can we say then it not the God of the Bible?
Proverbs 29:1 states, "He, that being "often" reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
If grace is irresistible there would be no need for often.
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Rom 8:9
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Does the HS submit to the will of fallen men, and provide this Spirit on demand, on command, as reward or payment to complete the transaction that MAN has initiated by "graciously choosing" to believe?
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Does the HS submit to the will of fallen men, and provide this Spirit on demand, on command, as reward or payment to complete the transaction that MAN has initiated by "graciously choosing" to believe?
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The truth in your first statement is clear, simple and biblical truth. Amen!!
Calvinism twists, changes, denies God's gracious choice. Can we say then it not the God of the Bible?
Proverbs 29:1 states, "He, that being "often" reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
If grace is irresistible there would be no need for often.
Calvinism twists, changes, denies God's gracious choice. Can we say then it not the God of the Bible?
Proverbs 29:1 states, "He, that being "often" reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."
If grace is irresistible there would be no need for often.
There is no truth in ,unless a sinner obeys the gospel he will remain lost....that teaching is well and truly false.
Once again,I have also asked you to produce srcripture.....still waiting?
I was in darkness and was brought into God’s light,by God,without reading a bible.
Why do you always bring Calvin into the discussion,when we disagree with you?
Huh?
Show me scripture please?.....stop twisting something i didn’t say....show me since I have been saved,where I said I have never obeyed the gospel?
I did not obey the Gospel call?
Produce the scripture I asked for please?
Not trying to put words into my mouth that I never said.
I wait in anticipation for that scripture.
Explained my saving to you a couple of days ago,for about the 10 th..time...you ignored it.not explaining an 11 th time.
Ephesians 1:12,13,15,16-23
We trusted,AFTER we heard the WORD OF TRUTH,then believed in our hearts the inheritance of redemption.
Believing and trusting that Jesus IS God's son and we are His purchased possession.
Believing in His message of the Father's will,His death for our sin penalty,His burial,His resurrection and the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe.
ALL THINGS ARE UNDER HIS FEET AND HE IS HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE " CHURCH" ( HIS CHURCH AND BRIDE!)
We trusted,AFTER we heard the WORD OF TRUTH,then believed in our hearts the inheritance of redemption.
Believing and trusting that Jesus IS God's son and we are His purchased possession.
Believing in His message of the Father's will,His death for our sin penalty,His burial,His resurrection and the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe.
ALL THINGS ARE UNDER HIS FEET AND HE IS HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE " CHURCH" ( HIS CHURCH AND BRIDE!)
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The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]
There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]
This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]
This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46.
[verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
The word for "appointed" is G5021 "tetagmenoi / tasso"... and under HELPS Word-Studies at BibleHub, says this: "[5021 (tássō) was "primarily a military term meaning 'to draw up in order, arrange in place, assign, appoint, order' " (A-S).]" [bold and underline mine]
There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]
This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46. [verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
There is some question as to whether the word in this verse is "Middle Voice" or "Passive Voice" (passive would mean this was done unto them [entirely by someone else], but the middle voice would not).
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/13-48.htm [middle or passive: "M/P"]
This is when we look to the rest of the CONTEXT to see if there are any other clues that would inform us... and there are: In verses 42-46.
[verse 46 also speaks of an ORDER: "*first*" to the Jews, right?]
God, the Trinity was the appointer.
ROMANS 10: ISRAEL FAILED TO THE OBEY THE GOSPEL
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
MATTHEW 23: JUDGMENT CAME UPON ISRAEL FOR DISOBEYING THE GOSPEL
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [prophecy regarding 70 AD]
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
LUKE 13: THE BARREN FIG TREE (ISRAEL) CUT DOWN
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish*.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? [Note: Christ spent three and a half years ministering to Israel]
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
*"Ye shall all likewise perish" speaks of eternal damnation (John 3:16). The word "perish" does not mean annihilation. It means eternal ruin in Hell.
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
MATTHEW 23: JUDGMENT CAME UPON ISRAEL FOR DISOBEYING THE GOSPEL
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [prophecy regarding 70 AD]
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
LUKE 13: THE BARREN FIG TREE (ISRAEL) CUT DOWN
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish*.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? [Note: Christ spent three and a half years ministering to Israel]
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
*"Ye shall all likewise perish" speaks of eternal damnation (John 3:16). The word "perish" does not mean annihilation. It means eternal ruin in Hell.
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