How Should Christians Vote?

[Ronja]

This is a christian discussion forum. I don’t know why but I expected it to be better than YouTube... I am disappointed in my fellow Christians.
In a discussion you will meat people who doesn’t think the way you do. And you will listen to them, give them respect and then answer with what you belief.
If you cannot do this, you shouldn’t be here at all.
Now, if you see someone who speaks out against what you believe is right, instead of having the opportunity to have an interesting discussion, you start laughing in their face, shaming them.
Learn how to respect others or don’t enter a discussion forum!

 

[Fundamental]

This is a christian discussion forum. I don’t know why but I expected it to be better than YouTube... I am disappointed in my fellow Christians.
In a discussion you will meat people who doesn’t think the way you do. And you will listen to them, give them respect and then answer with what you belief.
If you cannot do this, you shouldn’t be here at all.
Now, if you see someone who speaks out against what you believe is right, instead of having the opportunity to have an interesting discussion, you start laughing in their face, shaming them.
Well shame on you! Learn how to respect others or don’t enter a discussion forum!

You can’t be christian and pro abortion. When a life situation forces one to abortion, why not change the life situation and keep the baby?

Any loving mother and father can’t bear the thought that a government can legally kill babies from within the womb and harvest its tissues to gain medical. It’s a child ritual of this age Ronja. Wake up and see how abortions are performed. They often rip the baby apart (while being alive) to get it out of the womb. It can’t be removed in one time after months.

Alabama had the right idea, no heartbeat no abortion.
Many other states and countries should take an example of that rather then to defend these unethical practices. It’s something Hitler would do, not a loving caring society.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

You can’t be christian and pro abortion.

This becomes a hypocritical statement if you vote for the Republican party!

It was a Republican Supreme Court that approved SAME-SEX MARRIAGE (with a controlled Republican House and Senate).

Roe v. Wade Approved By Republican Appointees. A 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, legalized abortion by a 7-2 vote. Six of the seven justices in the majority were Republican. This also includes same sex marriage - Republicans legalized same sex marriage.

 

[Fundamental]

This becomes a hypocritical statement if you vote for the Republican party!

It was a Republican Supreme Court that approved SAME-SEX MARRIAGE (with a controlled Republican House and Senate).

Roe v. Wade Approved By Republican Appointees. A 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, legalized abortion by a 7-2 vote. Six of the seven justices in the majority were Republican. This also includes same sex marriage - Republicans legalized same sex marriage.

I dont vote whatsoever. There’s only one King of my life and His name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

[PC123]

Can a Christian vote for the Democrat Party who support abortions, homosexual marriages, and socialism? Many televangelists Pastors ask the question, "How can you call yourself a Christian and vote Democrat"?

Depending on the variety of issues at hand, can a Christian vote for different parties or candidates?

"Im not conservative. Im not progressive. Im Christian"
It was well said by someone i know...

We're all Christians but not all of us believe in exactly the same things. Its our belief in Christ that defines us.
Same could be said for a democrat or republican. They don't have to believe all of the same things.
They probably only believe in one or two things.

In America you guys don't haver to vote, fantastic. Here in Australia we are forced to vote. We get a fine if we don't. So this question is real for alotta people down here...

Im going to speak from my opinion now... The left used to represent the working class. My father taught me that and we always voted for them. But we both voted for the right in the last 2 or 3 federal, state and local elections.

Why? Because politics has shifted hard to the left. The democrats now represent minority classes. They represent progress away from Christianity, that's why their progressive and man they are into some evil stuff. The conservatives, on the other hand, want to conserve our Christian values.

Thats why we left the left

 

[PennEd]

Especially name those who are currently in Congress and on the Democratic presidential campaign trail. Well, we know those latter two are already disqualified.
On to the Democrats in Congress.
(waits patiently for that list)

There are none. The poster was 100% wrong.

There may be some elected county clerk or elected county coroner, that’s a pro life, pro family Democrat somewhere, but absolutely none, either in office, or running for office today of any significance. It’s a lie to say otherwise.

But people have an enormous capability of rationalization.

Jesus Christ is only on the ballot in the sense of what the party’s policies are.


We should NEVER vote for or against anyone based on THEIR personal identity.

So abstaining, or voting for today’s Democrat should never enter the Christian mind.

The differences between the parties has NEVER been as insanely stark as it is right now. So they are without excuse.

 

[PennEd]

 

[soggykitten]

Masterpiece! If I were rich I'd make sure that ad was on msm everyday till Nov.3rd!

 

[soggykitten]

This is a christian discussion forum. I don’t know why but I expected it to be better than YouTube... I am disappointed in my fellow Christians.
In a discussion you will meat people who doesn’t think the way you do. And you will listen to them, give them respect and then answer with what you belief.
If you cannot do this, you shouldn’t be here at all.
Now, if you see someone who speaks out against what you believe is right, instead of having the opportunity to have an interesting discussion, you start laughing in their face, shaming them.
Learn how to respect others or don’t enter a discussion forum!

Perhaps you should lead by example and practice what you speech, showing no respect for the Christians here, before you think to judge us at all. Your remarks quoted above for example and the second sentence itself. I would wonder how many Christians here have an account at YT so as to comment and make it a discussion community experience? I don't. Anyone here have a YT account and enter into what is like unto a discussion forum at YouTube?


Your post history: https://christianchat.com/search/372676/

"In a discussion you will meat people who doesn't think the way you do. And you will listen to them, give them respect and then answer with what you belief.
If you cannot do this, you shouldn't be here at all."

Your third post:
Atheist/Christian debates on Facebook
”To all you poor atheists still confused about the coronavirus” You are not very good in holding a good discussion and I can understand why they didn’t want you in the group after this post. You are preaching from an attacking perspective, like people are against you and you are the just one. I...

Post #169
BLM (Black Lives Matter) is a type of Baal worship.
Guys what the heck! I know that yes there has been bad things in the protests for BLM but the fact that we bring the issue to the light is so important. I am a white woman. I am not afraid of being killed by the police in America. However I am afraid of my brother who is black. That right there
#170 BLM (Black Lives Matter) is a type of Baal worship.
I am afraid FOR, not OF my brother*, sry


Post #172
BLM (Black Lives Matter) is a type of Baal worship.
If the kneeling people where praying or doing something else yes, but they are not. They are just kneeling, you know, one knee on the ground and one foot on the ground. That is not worship and they didn’t use it as such. What would you say if I claimed that movements you do are worship to devils? And how do you know they are not praying to God when they kneel?

Post #27
p_rehbein said:
Your understanding of Scripture concerning "image" is not yet capable of understanding the Truth of Scripture......
You replied: And I bet you think you are?

And of course your very public scorn for our President Donald Trump when also refusing to tell us if you're an American citizen or not. And to anticipate your rebuttal, yes that is relevant. If you hold disrespectful callous opinions about our President while parroting the slur rhetoric employed by the Left, or the public Democratic party members, and are not directly affected by our nations policies under this President, then all you're actually doing is adding your voice to the collaborative cacophony of the seditionist party on Capitol Hill.

If you're an American citizen you have a right to opine about policy. If you're a foreigner you have an opinion.

Furthermore, and lastly, Christians are told God puts those in leadership positions in those seats. We're to respect those in authority. We don't have to agree with what they're doing. We don't even have to like them much when they're there. I absolutely had no respect nor fondness for BHO for his 8 years occupying the seat in our Oval office. However, joining in the slur rhetoric being spewed by President Trump's enemies doesn't allow for you to example what you think to preach to the rest of us as to how you believe we should comport ourselves here among one another, or leave!

If you wish to lay down those rules and restrictions for those of us who have been here longer than yourself, (
"In a discussion you will meat people who doesn't think the way you do. And you will listen to them, give them respect and then answer with what you belief.
If you cannot do this, you shouldn't be here at all.")
be aware that you are subject to your own policy of policing. And as such are just as able to get out as you would presume to tell the rest of us we should if we don't meet your expectations as relates to proper conduct in this Christian forum.

That's all I care to say.
Thank you for your time.

 

[Ronja]

Wow okay. I kinda hoped that my comment would be viewed and people would think, “hey, you know what, she is not wrong! Let’s all try to be nice and civil!” And act by it.
But no, of course there is someone bringing up a lot of my previous posts (a bit of stalker vibes here), trying to discredit me. You know what, I know what I have said during my time at this forum. You don’t need to bring it up IN THIS DISCUSSION THREAD because it has nothing to do with it. The times I have acted angrier than I planned was when people tried to discredit me by claiming I am not Christian enough or spiritual enough for a topic.
I don’t say that I am perfect when it comes to discussions and sometimes I think people makes such outlandish claims that I have a hard time controlling myself.
However, even though I fail I always try to be civil and respectful.

You say that I refuse to tell you if I am an American or not. You guys never asked so why act like I am hiding a big secret? I am not. I lived in America for some time and I think the people there are mostly very amazing, so I am dreaming of moving back some day.
This however means I have a pretty good understanding of how the rest of the world sees America as well.

But if you think God put Trump in leadership I believe you are very wrong. He is no King David. What frightens me is that he can say and do whatever he likes and his followers would still follow him. He could shoot someone, take drugs or say he like to grab them by the pu***... oh, sorry no, that last one he did do!
If you think that everybody we put in power is a good choose then look around the world. Do you think Putin is a good choice? Xi Jinping? Kim Jong-un?
Just because we elect a leader it doesn’t mean it’s the right choice.

But the very fact that you went so far to discredit my post which had nothing really to debate about. I didn’t mention you or say anything about your political opinions. It was a friendly reminder that this is a Christian forum and we should all try to be civil towards each other. Not answer a post we don’t like with pure laughter and a snarky remark and that’s it.
Why try to debate that?

I guess you are right, I shouldn’t be here.
I thought this was a Christian site where people would be open minded and I would be able to discuss the Bible, theological questions or yes, perhaps even politics.
But what I have got so far are:
“How dare you ask a question like this?!”
“Oh, perhaps I should have checked your status before I had a discussion with you!”
“How dare you say anything bad about our president Trump!?”

You know what. If this is how it’s going to be, sure. Have discussion forums where you bully out everybody who would make it an open, interesting conversation. If you only want people at this forum thinking the way you do, then good work.

Have a nice day!

 

[birdie]

"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes." (Psalm 118:9)

"But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm Billy Graham's granddaughter. Evangelical support of Donald Trump spits on his legacy.

And evangelical support for lying and hating Marxist/anarchists is perfectly fine. What utter nonsense. BTW Franklin Graham supports Trump 100%.

 

[Fundamental]

You know what. If this is how it’s going to be, sure. Have discussion forums where you bully out everybody who would make it an open, interesting conversation. If you only want people at this forum thinking the way you do, then good work.

Have a nice day!

We learn more from the people kicking our butt then those kissing it. Keep that in the back of your mind. Christians are not weak and timide when it comes to abortion Ronja. “I can’t take care of my kids so let’s kill them.” While science is harvesting baby tissues to sell other people “cures”.

Before Europe discoverd America, many of those tribes were sacrificing humans and children too to get things done. Now science is sacrificing the most innocent to get other things done. Both are child rituals.

Even when the mother can get killed during pregnacy or labor, a true loving mother would take the risk of dying while having the child. When that connection with life gets lost, who will we become? It’s not about your policial views, it’s about the strong killing the weak. The injust killing the innocent.

And that our world is not appealing to having childen anymore, that’s all because of those politicians killing our babies selling them to science.

 

[acts5_29]

We learn more from the people kicking our butt then those kissing it. Keep that in the back of your mind. Christians are not weak and timide when it comes to abortion Ronja. “I can’t take care of my kids so let’s kill them.” While science is harvesting baby tissues to sell other people “cures”.

Before Europe discoverd America, many of those tribes were sacrificing humans and children too to get things done. Now science is sacrificing the most innocent to get other things done. Both are child rituals.

Even when the mother can get killed during pregnacy or labor, a true loving mother would take the risk of dying while having the child. When that connection with life gets lost, who will we become? It’s not about your policial views, it’s about the strong killing the weak. The injust killing the innocent.

And that our world is not appealing to having childen anymore, that’s all because of those politicians killing our babies selling them to science.

Christians are not weak and timid when facing "Christian" hypocrites who insist on backing a New York mob boss and his third porn star wife, either. Talk about straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Usually when someone self-proclaims themselves fundamental, that means fundamentally the BIBLE. Sorry to break it to you, but--Trump is not that.

 

[acts5_29]

And evangelical support for lying and hating Marxist/anarchists is perfectly fine. What utter nonsense. BTW Franklin Graham supports Trump 100%.

The irony in all this:. those same people who accuse others of supporting Marxism are the ones who love Russia now.

And by the way:. a key tenet of Marxism is workers' rights. Sorry to hear that you oppose that.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

And evangelical support for lying and hating Marxist/anarchists is perfectly fine. What utter nonsense. BTW Franklin Graham supports Trump 100%.

“14 If My People, who are called by My Name (Believers), shall humble themselves (humility), and pray, and seek My Face (the prayer of Repentance), and turn from their wicked ways (which proclaims the manner of true Repentance); then will I hear from Heaven (but not otherwise), and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land (God’s Prescription for spiritual sickness).” 2 Chronicles 7

This is why Paul said, "But we preach Christ Crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto Greeks foolishness.

America is sick, and full of disease (Isa. 1:5-6). The BLM Marxist thugs and Socialist hate Christians.

As for the Church that is the real problem - Many have come in by Way of the Cross, but have gone out through the many other ways offered by Satan, the world and the lust of their flesh (2 Peter 2:21). They have abandoned the Cross for other things. Phil. 3:17-18

The answer for which we seek is found only in the Cross! If you don’t believe that, you are in apostasy.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Repost:

Your Word for Today

“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the House of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them who obey not the Gospel of God? And if the Righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? (I Pet. 4:17-18).

After the horror of 9/11/01, when the lives of some 4,000 Americans were snuffed out due to Muslim terrorism, two Preachers of my acquaintance were interviewed over Network Television. They were asked why the Lord allowed this to happen to America.

Their answer was most interesting! Both agreed, “It is because of the homosexuals and the abortionists in this nation!”

That is basely incorrect!

While the two sins mentioned definitely are abominable, as should be overly obvious, that is not the problem in this country. According to the Word of God, the problem is the “House of God.” The Church in America has failed, and failed miserably! The Gospel is little preached from behind fashionable pulpits. The Cross of Christ, the very heartbeat of Christianity, has been relegated to the dustbin of antiquated doctrines, no longer applicable, or so it is said, for this modern age.

What I have just said is, in effect, the same as what Jesus said: “Verily I say unto you, that the Publicans and the harlots go into the Kingdom of God before you” (Mat. 21:31). Jesus certainly wasn’t condoning the sins of thievery and harlotry. What He was saying was that while the publicans and the harlots would repent, or at least some of them would, the religious leaders of Israel would not repent (Mat. 21:32).

Judgment always begins with Believers, and pertains to their Faith, whether in the Cross or otherwise; the Cross alone is spared judgment, for there Jesus was judged in our place.

If God will judge His Own, how much more will He judge the unredeemed? The Cross alone stays the Judgment of God. That must ever be understood.

The modern Church in this country is little preaching the Gospel. If it was preaching the Gospel, i.e., “the Cross,” which, as stated, alone stays the Judgment of God, then this nation would escape much punishment, and could very well have escaped the horror of 9/11/01.

Because it is so important, let us say it again:

If the Church faithfully preaches the Cross, most Judgment can be spared, for there Jesus was judged in our place. If the Cross is little preached, the nation is opened up for Judgment, and that’s exactly what is happening! The Cross of Christ alone stands between man and eternal Hell. We must never forget that (Eph. 2:13-18; Gal. 6:14). “

— Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day”)
Donnie Swaggart

 

[Fundamental]

Christians are not weak and timid when facing "Christian" hypocrites who insist on backing a New York mob boss and his third porn star wife, either. Talk about straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Usually when someone self-proclaims themselves fundamental, that means fundamentally the BIBLE. Sorry to break it to you, but--Trump is not that.

I don’t vote Trump, I don’t vote at all. I’m not even American.

You have mistaken me with someone else. It’s just not wise to point at Trump alone. In my country even kids are taught to hate Trump but they never speak of Epstein or the racist past of the democrats.
It’s all out of balance.

I don’t have my eyes on politics but on abortion here. We don’t need a political system to know how unethical it is to kill a baby from within the womb.

 

[Derek1955]

Whilst democracy is considered by many to be the best available system of government it is nevertheless comprised of imperfect voters casting their votes for imperfect candidates who are fielded by imperfect parties.

A Christian who takes part in an election must decide with the help of prayer upon the best option available and if all options appear unacceptable then the only choice left is not to vote.

A Christian's loyalty must always and forever reside with the commandments of God and should any party be seen advocating the breaking of any of those commandments then they should not be supported.

For a follower of Christ there can be no such thing as a lesser of two evils. There is no halfway house that lies somewhere between righteousness and evil. There is no Heaven with even a little hell in it.

Perhaps this means that a Christian should never vote.​

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Whilst democracy is considered by many to be the best available system of government it is nevertheless comprised of imperfect voters casting their votes for imperfect candidates who are fielded by imperfect parties.

A Christian who takes part in an election must decide with the help of prayer upon the best option available and if all options appear unacceptable then the only choice left is not to vote.

A Christian's loyalty must always and forever reside with the commandments of God and should any party be seen advocating the breaking of any of those commandments then they should not be supported.

For a follower of Christ there can be no such thing as a lesser of two evils. There is no halfway house that lies somewhere between righteousness and evil. There is no Heaven with even a little hell in it.

Perhaps this means that a Christian should never vote.​

The word of God is not liberal or conservative. His word is called TRUTH. When you bring in the tradition of man (human knowledge and wisdom), God calls this sin. We now have something in common with the Devil. We have left the Kingdom of God and entered into the Kingdom of darkness. The scripture says that there is a wisdom that comes from God and a wisdom that comes from below; worldliness - the flesh - and demons. Politics can easily bring Christians into the "Law."

The position that the Church should be is like the Captain of the Hosts of the Lord in Joshua 5. When Joshua questioned Him on whose side He was on, He said neither! He made it clear to Joshua that He represented God’s Kingdom alone. It was not a question of what side He was on; the real question was who’s on the Lord’s side.

The Church represents the Kingdom of God just as the Captain of the Hosts of the Lord. But too many of us have chosen sides.

The Captain of the Host of the Lord made it clear that He hadn't come to take sides. He had come to take over. God didn't come to take sides; He came to take over.

Pastor Tony Evans