Did Jesus sweat real blood in the garden?
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HEMATIDROSIS is a rare medical condition in which the stress endured causes the blood vessels in the skin to burst and exit the skin by the pores. Soldiers facing death seldom have this symptom because they live in denial. It will only occur when a man really faces, and knows, of something terrible that is a about to happen.
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The key to understand the proper application is in the words "AS IT WERE". Throughout the KJ Bible, these words simply mean "LIKE UNTO". Look up some of the following examples of these words being used: John 7: 10. 2Cor. 11: 17. James 5: 3. and Rev. 4:1 in which this book has numerous other examples.
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It is, and was my intent to bring to light Biblical passages that are difficult and in many cases taught, but in error. No, I am not the end all for Biblical excellence, but after 46 years as a Christian, I do have some experience and insights to offer. My intent is not to be a "know it all" but rather give some potential insights to the Bible's trues and nothing else.
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What do you think .I think what was offered was spot on. Or do we seek after the literal and ignore the spiritual understanding hid in that parable ?
You keep forgetting one of the laws of interpretation. Without parables, as prophecy. Christ the anointing teacher . God's Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ spoke not.
AS IT WERE". or LIKE UNTO". is used to denote a parable is in view, "
The account is in respect to the first part of the three part demonstration (heart of the earth or belly of the whale, same thing. ).
Part one.. .the garden of Gethsemane demonstration . It is used like the garden of Eden garden. From without messengers with flaming swords guarding the Way the Truth the life. The demonstration of two propmised in Isiah 53 . Not three four or more.
The Son of man. Jesus and the father alone sufferings and strengthening each other in mutual submission to bring the peace of God that surpasses our understanding. Richly giving us His understanding that works in us .
The work had begun with the two . The father striking the Son of man, Jesus . Jesus crying out and after three times finishing the promise of three (the end of a matter) Then the flaming sword that put the disciple asleep guarding the work of two could be finished . The disciples were not allowed to perform the work of praying to help strengthen Jesus .
Again that portion of the three part demonstration ( belly of the whale or heart of the earth). It was over and they moved to the second part .(the bloody demonstration the cross ) . A sign to the rebellious world.
Some of the faithless disciples crucified Christ over in over every time they sinned . . exposing Him to public shame as if one demonstration was not enough to the rebellious world .
When suffering unto death, sweat was used to indicate the sufferings the father inflected of the Son of man (the cup of wrath) . Blood like water, both metaphors are used in many parables to represent the pouring of the the Spirit or power. . . attributed to the father.
Literal blood without the spirit has no life to offer .It must be poured out so it can return to the clay of the field .
Spit is used the same way in another parable. Things with DNA (the temporal dying) would seem are used in parables like that.
He has freely given us the valuable tools necessary to unlock the mysteries of faith found in the parables.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Without parables Christ spoke not.
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Not the cross the second part . Then literal blood was needed to show a literal view to the world . Believers understood the demonstration was that of the lamb of God slain from the foundation .not from the standpoint of the one time demonstration . God is not a man.
You keep forgetting one of the laws of interpretation. Without parables, as prophecy. Christ the anointing teacher . God's Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ spoke not.
AS IT WERE". or LIKE UNTO". is used to denote a parable is in view, "
The account is in respect to the first part of the three part demonstration (heart of the earth or belly of the whale, same thing. ).
Part one.. .the garden of Gethsemane demonstration . It is used like the garden of Eden garden. From without messengers with flaming swords guarding the Way the Truth the life. The demonstration of two propmised in Isiah 53 . Not three four or more.
The Son of man. Jesus and the father alone sufferings and strengthening each other in mutual submission to bring the peace of God that surpasses our understanding. Richly giving us His understanding that works in us .
The work had begun with the two . The father striking the Son of man, Jesus . Jesus crying out and after three times finishing the promise of three (the end of a matter) Then the flaming sword that put the disciple asleep guarding the work of two could be finished . The disciples were not allowed to perform the work of praying to help strengthen Jesus .
Again that portion of the three part demonstration ( belly of the whale or heart of the earth). It was over and they moved to the second part .(the bloody demonstration the cross ) . A sign to the rebellious world.
Some of the faithless disciples crucified Christ over in over every time they sinned . . exposing Him to public shame as if one demonstration was not enough to the rebellious world .
When suffering unto death, sweat was used to indicate the sufferings the father inflected of the Son of man (the cup of wrath) . Blood like water, both metaphors are used in many parables to represent the pouring of the the Spirit or power. . . attributed to the father.
Literal blood without the spirit has no life to offer .It must be poured out so it can return to the clay of the field .
Spit is used the same way in another parable. Things with DNA (the temporal dying) would seem are used in parables like that.
He has freely given us the valuable tools necessary to unlock the mysteries of faith found in the parables.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Without parables Christ spoke not.
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Not the cross the second part . Then literal blood was needed to show a literal view to the world . Believers understood the demonstration was that of the lamb of God slain from the foundation .not from the standpoint of the one time demonstration . God is not a man.
That's fine, and I encourage you to continue. May I suggest that you present your thoughts in your OP or immediately after.
Otherwise, as I noted, your OP merely looks like an excuse to present your position. Another frequent poster uses that method; I find it annoying because it's clear that he really is just inventing a reason to post Jimmy Swaggart's opinion on this or that... which anyone could search out if they wanted to do so (why anyone would, I have no idea).
Otherwise, as I noted, your OP merely looks like an excuse to present your position. Another frequent poster uses that method; I find it annoying because it's clear that he really is just inventing a reason to post Jimmy Swaggart's opinion on this or that... which anyone could search out if they wanted to do so (why anyone would, I have no idea).
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It most definitely is NOT a parable.
I don't subscribe to your self-made "laws of interpretation". I also don't subscribe to your heresy that denies the incarnation.
No, those words indicate a simile, not a parable.
One day, maybe, you will understand this statement within its context.
Endless repetition of misunderstanding does not result in right understanding.
I don't subscribe to your self-made "laws of interpretation". I also don't subscribe to your heresy that denies the incarnation.
No, those words indicate a simile, not a parable.
One day, maybe, you will understand this statement within its context.
Endless repetition of misunderstanding does not result in right understanding.
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We are to accept the physical and the history that scripture tells us of, and we are not to ignore the spiritual meaning it represents.
The very basic principle we must use in understanding scripture is an understanding of the spiritual and the physical. We are mortal, we are physical. Some people are never able to grasp the spiritual because it requires the Holy Spirit. There is then a connection between the spiritual and physical. What the physical does has a spiritual counterpart.
God uses the physical to show His children the spiritual. Before Christ came so we understood, God had the blood of animals symbolize the blood of Christ. God had the Jews cut foreskin as a mark to symbolize belonging to the Lord.
The very basic principle we must use in understanding scripture is an understanding of the spiritual and the physical. We are mortal, we are physical. Some people are never able to grasp the spiritual because it requires the Holy Spirit. There is then a connection between the spiritual and physical. What the physical does has a spiritual counterpart.
God uses the physical to show His children the spiritual. Before Christ came so we understood, God had the blood of animals symbolize the blood of Christ. God had the Jews cut foreskin as a mark to symbolize belonging to the Lord.
In addition. Jesus didn't have a body that would have died if we hadn't killed Him.
We can't choose to die. Death is unavoidable for us. We may choose to die for this cause or that cause at a certain time but we don't really have a life to give like Jesus did.
Jesus was choosing to give up immortal life not life destined to die anyway.
So what He was sacrificing was a much greater experience of loss than anyone else would experience. Hence the great anxiety and recoil confronting death and the pain of loss.
He started shedding His Precious Blood for us in the Garden
We can't choose to die. Death is unavoidable for us. We may choose to die for this cause or that cause at a certain time but we don't really have a life to give like Jesus did.
Jesus was choosing to give up immortal life not life destined to die anyway.
So what He was sacrificing was a much greater experience of loss than anyone else would experience. Hence the great anxiety and recoil confronting death and the pain of loss.
He started shedding His Precious Blood for us in the Garden
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43And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44And being in agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
So it really does not make sense to tell your roofing buddy.. "Hey man it is hot... you are sweating great drops of blood" just because his sweat drops were larger. You would only say that if his sweat drops were tinged with blood.
I think it means what it says, he was indeed sweating, from sweat glands, but they were tinged with blood from the strain. Saying that they were "like" great drops of blood lets us know that they were SWEAT drops that LOOKED like they had Blood mixed in them. This Angel needed to strengthen him not because he was sweating extra large drops of normal sweat but because he was going through such a strain it was near fatal.
So it really does not make sense to tell your roofing buddy.. "Hey man it is hot... you are sweating great drops of blood" just because his sweat drops were larger. You would only say that if his sweat drops were tinged with blood.
I think it means what it says, he was indeed sweating, from sweat glands, but they were tinged with blood from the strain. Saying that they were "like" great drops of blood lets us know that they were SWEAT drops that LOOKED like they had Blood mixed in them. This Angel needed to strengthen him not because he was sweating extra large drops of normal sweat but because he was going through such a strain it was near fatal.
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I think the answer to our Lord's agony in Gethsemane lies in Matthew 10:28; "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in GEHENNA."
The great threat towards unrepentant sinners is the Lake of Fire. This name is used interchangeably with "the Second Death", and "Perdition" of "destruction". The Greek scholars tell us that the word "perdition" does not mean "annihilation". It means "intense lack of well-being". This is confirmed by Isaiah 66:24 and Mark 9:43-48. The experience of the Lake of Fire is a never-ending intense suffering of the soul and the body. Notice how the "worm" and the "fire" are personal. It is, "THEIR worm and THEIR fire." That is, taking Matthew 10:28 above, God has tailored each man's suffering - an expected fact seeing that He is righteous. Nero gets Nero's worm and Nero's fire, while Hitler gets His dedicated portion.
Now, if our Lord Jesus was to atone for the "sins of the WORLD", he would have to face a PHYSICAL death of intensity to atone for all men and every sin. And He would have to face the "most intense lack of well-being" at the hand of God - as it were, the COMBINED and ACCUMULATED wrath of God. The dread that our Lord Jesus faced in Gethsemane was Matthew 10:28. It was so dire that just to go up to Jerusalem, "... He stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem" (Lk.9:51). It is recorded that our Lord Jesus was a "Man of sorrows" (Isa.53:3), but the next verse gives the reason; "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Matthew 10:28 says that what the Romans, men, did was NOT to be feared, but what God could do WAS TO BE FEARED!
And thus we have the most perfect, gracious, sinless Man - by far, ever to live, "SMITTEN OF GOD" in BOTH soul and body. Our Lord Jesus died TWICE - (i) His SOUL starting in Gethsemane and ending with a cry, "My God why have you forsaken me", and (ii) a God-induced physical treatment starting from the rough arrest in Gethsemane to the horrific crucifixion. A crucifixion where God had His hand in it and not only men.
This ALL Jesus faced IN FULL KNOWLEDGE. Why do we even doubt the HEMATIDROSIS? Not one of us, not even the worst sinner in the Lake of Fire, can imagine what faced our Lord Jesus. The worst sinner only has HIS worm and and HIS fire for HIS sins. But our Lord faced the combined WORM and combined FIRE of all men. Unimaginable!!!
The great threat towards unrepentant sinners is the Lake of Fire. This name is used interchangeably with "the Second Death", and "Perdition" of "destruction". The Greek scholars tell us that the word "perdition" does not mean "annihilation". It means "intense lack of well-being". This is confirmed by Isaiah 66:24 and Mark 9:43-48. The experience of the Lake of Fire is a never-ending intense suffering of the soul and the body. Notice how the "worm" and the "fire" are personal. It is, "THEIR worm and THEIR fire." That is, taking Matthew 10:28 above, God has tailored each man's suffering - an expected fact seeing that He is righteous. Nero gets Nero's worm and Nero's fire, while Hitler gets His dedicated portion.
Now, if our Lord Jesus was to atone for the "sins of the WORLD", he would have to face a PHYSICAL death of intensity to atone for all men and every sin. And He would have to face the "most intense lack of well-being" at the hand of God - as it were, the COMBINED and ACCUMULATED wrath of God. The dread that our Lord Jesus faced in Gethsemane was Matthew 10:28. It was so dire that just to go up to Jerusalem, "... He stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem" (Lk.9:51). It is recorded that our Lord Jesus was a "Man of sorrows" (Isa.53:3), but the next verse gives the reason; "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Matthew 10:28 says that what the Romans, men, did was NOT to be feared, but what God could do WAS TO BE FEARED!
And thus we have the most perfect, gracious, sinless Man - by far, ever to live, "SMITTEN OF GOD" in BOTH soul and body. Our Lord Jesus died TWICE - (i) His SOUL starting in Gethsemane and ending with a cry, "My God why have you forsaken me", and (ii) a God-induced physical treatment starting from the rough arrest in Gethsemane to the horrific crucifixion. A crucifixion where God had His hand in it and not only men.
This ALL Jesus faced IN FULL KNOWLEDGE. Why do we even doubt the HEMATIDROSIS? Not one of us, not even the worst sinner in the Lake of Fire, can imagine what faced our Lord Jesus. The worst sinner only has HIS worm and and HIS fire for HIS sins. But our Lord faced the combined WORM and combined FIRE of all men. Unimaginable!!!