Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

[SoulWeaver]

I am far from angry, and do not want to give that impression. I am simply saying that there is far more to this subject that what the Media and other outlets have provided. I also stated in numerous previous posts that Bill Gates and his wife are Satanists, and each time I was met with one rebuttal right after another from someone that says "I don't know", and has no interest in knowing the truth. If you would please go back and read the first reply I made to you today, you will understand that I had already stated that with the disruptions, I would have to put together something on an independent website then link it.

I agree on Bill and Melinda, these two are not working for Lord God that's for sure, and they are connected with the vaccine directly. Bill doesn't buy all these vaccination patents to not use them later and has great influence and lobbies in many related areas.

Now, I don't know if and how are the Pope and freemasons connected with all this. You've got to understand that it seems like a big stretch to most people. Put it together, open a thread about it and break it down for people to read into smaller "chapters", post by post. I'm sorry that I couldn't go through all the big posts last few days. Maybe because I'm having headaches lately, I couldn't go through other peoples' long posts either, I make it halfway and have to start over.

Another thing that I'm thinking, is that it's a rabbit's hole and we will never be done studying all the corrupt people and how they are all connected and the never ending list of their misdeeds. It may be a demonic trick to occupy our time. I started digging about those things myself about 15 years ago but I did not like how it affected me. Now I just casually look now and then, because it easily becomes an obsession. It is overwhelming and discouraging for me to constantly look at the giant network of evil powerful people. I think we need to tackle things bite size, to focus on what is at hand, which is this vaccine itself and its potential dangers. And stay in the Word. "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof"

 

[Fundamental]

Brother, thank you for your kind words. I agree that the only thing that we can do is to trust God and keep our eyes on The Lord Jesus Christ! Remember that we are in the midst of the great falling away, and many have turned away from the truth of what is written in The Holy Bible and have embraced the Great Whore (Roman Catholic Church) and her harlots, such as the false prophets; Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, Muslims, and so forth, as well as other religions. Furthermore, many have embraced the wisdom of this world by embracing science, falsely so-called, as well as Psychiatry and Psychology. Psychology and Psychiatry originate with the Occult, as also does Yoga and it's practices. I simply sharing in agreement with what you have already said. Remember that there is a difference between Biblical Christianity to that of Apostate Christianity. Pastor Charles Lawson does a great job expounding on much of it. As we have discussed, C-19 is the tool for Mystery Babylon to impliment Fascism, Socialism, and Communism world-wide as they are working to make all nations of the earth to become inter-dependant of one another. The world will be taken captive in confusion because it is become faithless and perverse. Please take a moment today to read 1Thessalonians 5 for encouragement.

Likewise brother.

Have you seen “coronavirus dress rehearsel of the NWO” of Pastor John Hagee? It’s a real eyeopener. Not sure how peoples thoughts are on Hagee here, but can he say it without sugarcoating any of it .

I fully agree here. We are living in the great falling away and we have already witnessed how fallen the Roman Catholic church is. In Europe Belgium christian schools are catholic. They have fallen away from Christ and started to teach islam and the theory of evolution. It cant be called christian anymore since they please the world to maintain their position.

Psychology is a touchy subject.... Some people would simply commit suicide if they do not get therapy. I have even become very careful not to advise against specific medications anymore. People have become so independent and one day the supply chain will collapse. Foodproduction is already collapsing and we know famine comes next. It’s already happening because western countries collaborate with fascists again. Wether it’s Europe or the USA.
We’ve been literaly sold out to the east and now we cant compete with their workwages and soon itll all collapse. People will one day start eating eachother in the west to survive.... Tick tock.

 

[Scribe]

I agree on Bill and Melinda, these two are not working for Lord God that's for sure, and they are connected with the vaccine directly. Bill doesn't buy all these vaccination patents to not use them later and has great influence and lobbies in many related areas.

Now, I don't know if and how are the Pope and freemasons connected with all this. You've got to understand that it seems like a big stretch to most people. Put it together, open a thread about it and break it down for people to read into smaller "chapters", post by post. I'm sorry that I couldn't go through all the big posts last few days. Maybe because I'm having headaches lately, I couldn't go through other peoples' long posts either, I make it halfway and have to start over.

Another thing that I'm thinking, is that it's a rabbit's hole and we will never be done studying all the corrupt people and how they are all connected and the never ending list of their misdeeds. It may be a demonic trick to occupy our time. I started digging about those things myself about 15 years ago but I did not like how it affected me. Now I just casually look now and then, because it easily becomes an obsession. It is overwhelming and discouraging for me to constantly look at the giant network of evil powerful people. I think we need to tackle things bite size, to focus on what is at hand, which is this vaccine itself and its potential dangers. And stay in the Word. "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof"

I don't understand why the vaccine or a vaccine has to be considered inherently evil. I mean, verify that it is safe and test thoroughly of course, but is it impossible that God would bless us with the knowledge to create cures for diseases?

Also, searched last week and was not able to find any credible information on Bill Gates or his Foundation having patents on any vaccines. If you have a link please post it. I found a Microsoft patent on wearable chips but Bill is not even on the board of Microsoft today. He moved on to focus on his philanthropy foundation.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I don't understand why the vaccine or a vaccine has to be considered inherently evil. I mean, verify that it is safe and test thoroughly of course, but is it impossible that God would bless us with the knowledge to create cures for diseases?

Vaccine, inoculation method in itself, is beneficial and not what is being disputed.
What is being disputed is not the science of vaccination, but what exact contents go into the vaccine, and whether these contents are safe long term or not.
Not an antivaxxer here, but I do ask:
Why is it that in the 21st century we cannot seem to find a safer and less toxic preservative for vaccines than mercury?
Why are aborted fetal cells in vaccines? Was this plainly disclosed, or became a scandal later?
If there is nanotechnology in this vaccine, is the manufacturer even obligated to disclose it?
The burden of proof here is on the manufacturers, not on the recipients. Especially since the recipients can't sue the manufacturers.
I'll try to respond later to the other half of your post. Need to get lunch cooking

 

[Fundamental]

I don't understand why the vaccine or a vaccine has to be considered inherently evil. I mean, verify that it is safe and test thoroughly of course, but is it impossible that God would bless us with the knowledge to create cures for diseases?

Also, searched last week and was not able to find any credible information on Bill Gates or his Foundation having patents on any vaccines. If you have a link please post it. I found a Microsoft patent on wearable chips but Bill is not even on the board of Microsoft today. He moved on to focus on his philanthropy foundation.

Because we live in a world of liars that speak no truth and lobby for their partners on the stockmarket. Whats not to understand the trust is completely gone??? And adding people like Bill Gates on the scene isn’t going to do our trust any good.

We have the knowledge that those viruses were created on wet markets. At least that is the official story where the virus most likely mutated from animal to human. Well we know the cause. In stead of bending the knee for China make a fist and stop buying their junk. We should also stop mass feeding anti biotics to our own life stock because our own factory farms are the next time bomb for superbacteria or a new virus.

We need to change the way we live, not vaccinate to carry on with business as usual.

Our politicians should stop collaborating with China and ask compensation for all economic damage suffered on international level.

 

[Scribe]

Why is it that in the 21st century we cannot seem to find a safer and less toxic preservative for vaccines than mercury?

Thimerosal in Vaccines
Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines. There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.
Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.
Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.
Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.

Thimerosal prevents the growth of bacteria in vaccines.
Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi. Introduction of bacteria and fungi has the potential to occur when a syringe needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination by germs in a vaccine could cause severe local reactions, serious illness or death. In some vaccines, preservatives, including thimerosal, are added during the manufacturing process to prevent germ growth.

The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.
Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.

Thimerosal has been shown to be safe when used in vaccines.
Thimerosal use in medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.

There are some side effects of thimerosal in vaccines.
The most common side-effects are minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Although rare, some people may be allergic to thimerosal.

Scientific research does not show a connection between thimerosal and autism.
Research does not show any link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Many well conducted studies have concluded that thimerosal in vaccines does not contribute to the development of autism. Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.

Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.
Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions.
For a complete list of vaccines and their thimerosal content level, see the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Thimerosal in VaccinesExternal page. This chart Cdc-pdf[PDF – 182 KB] shows vaccine ingredients sorted by vaccine.

Cdc-pdf


Featured Resource: Understanding Thimerosal, Mercury, and Vaccine Safety Cdc-pdf[PDF – 300 KB]
Top of Page
Related Links

• Frequently Asked Questions about Thimerosal
• Ingredients of Vaccines – Fact Sheet
• Vaccine Ingredients
• CDC Studies on Vaccines and AutismCdc-pdf[357 KB]
• Thimerosal: What You Should Know (Spanish) Cdc-pdf[PDF - 2 pages]External

 

[Scribe]

Why are aborted fetal cells in vaccines? Was this plainly disclosed, or became a scandal later?

Most vaccines currently available were developed using cell strains cultured from two fetuses aborted for other purposes in the 1960s.[3] This has led some to oppose vaccination on religious or moral grounds.[1][2] However, vaccine experts and manufacturers state that vaccines do not contain any of the original fetal tissue or cells, that the abortions occurred decades ago and replenishment with new tissue has not occurred.
Source Wikipedia

Good question. I would like to know the answer to that question myself. Why can't they use a different strain of cells?

If there is nanotechnology in this vaccine, is the manufacturer even obligated to disclose it?

Great question and much of what I have heard seems to be confusion on the meaning of nanotechnology.
A good article on the subject and COVID vaccines can be found here. Dated July 15 2020
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-020-0737-y

Next-generation vaccines enabled through advances in nanotechnology
Viruses are nanoscale objects and therefore can be regarded as naturally occurring nanomaterials; per that definition, LAVs, IVs and viral vectors are nanotechnologies. Nanoparticles and viruses operate at the same length scale—this is what makes nanotechnology approaches in vaccine development and immunoengineering so powerful. Nanoparticles, natural or synthetic, mimic the structural features of viruses whereas chemical biology, biotechnology and nanochemistry enables the development of next-generation designer vaccine technologies. From a vaccine technology development point of view, this is an exciting time and novel technologies and approaches are poised to make a clinical impact for the first time.
Nucleic acid-based vaccines
Delivering the genetic code for in situ production of viral proteins is a promising alternative to conventional vaccine approaches. Both DNA and mRNA vaccines fall under this category and are being pursued in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. While these platforms are attractive in terms of safety, speed, stability and scalability, they carry a significantly higher risk of failure in clinical development as seen previously with other novel technologies40. To date there is no licensed DNA or RNA vaccine. Nevertheless, a particular advantage of these vaccines is that in addition to antibody and CD4+ T cell responses, DNA or RNA vaccine elicit CD8+ cytotoxic T cell responses, which plays a key role for virus eradication41,42. For the DNA vaccines, the frontrunner in this space is Inovio Pharmaceuticals with their Phase I clinical trial having commenced 6 April 2020. Another rising company on track for a Phase I clinical trial is Entos Pharmaceuticals, Inc. a company based in Alberta, Canada. mRNA vaccines can be produced through in vitro transcription, which precludes the need for cells and their associated regulatory hurdles43. Moderna’s mRNA-based technology was the fastest to Phase I clinical trial in the US, which began on 16 March 2020 (see Table 1). Additionally, BioNTech-Pfizer recently announced regulatory approval in Germany for Phase I/II clinical trials to test four lead mRNA vaccine candidates44.
While DNA vaccines offer higher stability over mRNA vaccines, the mRNA is non-integrating and therefore poses no risk of insertional mutagenesis. Additionally, the half-life, stability and immunogenicity of mRNA can be tuned through established modifications45. For example, researchers at the Imperial College of London and Arcturus Therapeutics are incorporating self-amplifying RNA technology to prolong the otherwise short half-life of the RNA and thereby boost S protein expression levels46 (http://www.imperial.ac.uk/a-z-research/future-vaccine-hub/workstreams/rna-vaccine-manufacture). Nanotechnology-based approaches offer enabling solutions to the delivery challenge by trafficking the vaccine to appropriate cellular populations and subcellular locations. While synthetic nanocarriers including cationic liposomes and polymeric nanoparticles have been used for the delivery of DNA vaccines across cell membranes, targeted formulations could further enhance nuclear translocation of the plasmid DNA47. Moderna’s mRNA vaccine is based on a lipid nanoparticle platform, but there are many other emerging nanotechnologies for delivery of nucleic acid vaccines (several structures are shown in Fig. 3). Nanotechnology platforms including cationic nanoemulsions, liposomes, dendrimers or polysaccharide particles have been employed for improving the stability and delivery of mRNA based vaccines41,45.

I'll try to respond later to the other half of your post. Need to get lunch cooking

What's for lunch? I'm Starving!

 

[SoulWeaver]

Thimerosal in Vaccines
Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that has been used for decades in the United States in multi-dose vials (vials containing more than one dose) of medicines and vaccines. There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury.
Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.
Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.
Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.

Thimerosal prevents the growth of bacteria in vaccines.
Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi. Introduction of bacteria and fungi has the potential to occur when a syringe needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination by germs in a vaccine could cause severe local reactions, serious illness or death. In some vaccines, preservatives, including thimerosal, are added during the manufacturing process to prevent germ growth.

The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.
Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.

Thimerosal has been shown to be safe when used in vaccines.
Thimerosal use in medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.

There are some side effects of thimerosal in vaccines.
The most common side-effects are minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Although rare, some people may be allergic to thimerosal.

Scientific research does not show a connection between thimerosal and autism.
Research does not show any link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Many well conducted studies have concluded that thimerosal in vaccines does not contribute to the development of autism. Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.

Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.
Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions.
For a complete list of vaccines and their thimerosal content level, see the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Thimerosal in VaccinesExternal page. This chart Cdc-pdf[PDF – 182 KB] shows vaccine ingredients sorted by vaccine.

Cdc-pdf


Featured Resource: Understanding Thimerosal, Mercury, and Vaccine Safety Cdc-pdf[PDF – 300 KB]
Top of Page
Related Links

• Frequently Asked Questions about Thimerosal
• Ingredients of Vaccines – Fact Sheet
• Vaccine Ingredients
• CDC Studies on Vaccines and AutismCdc-pdf[357 KB]
• Thimerosal: What You Should Know (Spanish) Cdc-pdf[PDF - 2 pages]External

Scribe, my question was, "why don't we have something safer yet", and you're answering, Thimerosal is safe. I am familiar with the official info about Thimerosal.
I hate to say, but you're not even listening to my question.

 

[Scribe]

Scribe, my question was, "why don't we have something safer yet", and you're answering, Thimerosal is safe. I am familiar with the official info about Thimerosal.
I hate to say, but you're not even listening to my question.

The report says:
Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001. So it is somewhat of a mute point isn't it?

 

[SoulWeaver]

The report says:
Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001. So it is somewhat of a mute point isn't it?

Hmmm I might have inaccurate data here because I'm not from the U.S.
But when I was checking this last year before getting tetanus shot, Thimerosal was still listed. Not in all vaccines, but in half or so. But they have been purchased from big manufacturers. Maybe they only removed it in the USA?

 

[Scribe]

Hmmm I might have inaccurate data here because I'm not from the U.S.
But when I was checking this last year before getting tetanus shot, Thimerosal was still listed. Not in all vaccines, but in half or so. But they have been purchased from big manufacturers. Maybe they only removed it in the USA?

Maybe just from childhood vaccines? That is all it says. At the end of the post There is a list of Thimerosal vaccines and thimersol free vaccines. You can get a thimersol free flu-shot is says.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Most vaccines currently available were developed using cell strains cultured from two fetuses aborted for other purposes in the 1960s.[3] This has led some to oppose vaccination on religious or moral grounds.[1][2] However, vaccine experts and manufacturers state that vaccines do not contain any of the original fetal tissue or cells, that the abortions occurred decades ago and replenishment with new tissue has not occurred.
Source Wikipedia

Good question. I would like to know the answer to that question myself. Why can't they use a different strain of cells?




Great question and much of what I have heard seems to be confusion on the meaning of nanotechnology.
A good article on the subject and COVID vaccines can be found here. Dated July 15 2020
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-020-0737-y

Next-generation vaccines enabled through advances in nanotechnology
Viruses are nanoscale objects and therefore can be regarded as naturally occurring nanomaterials; per that definition, LAVs, IVs and viral vectors are nanotechnologies. Nanoparticles and viruses operate at the same length scale—this is what makes nanotechnology approaches in vaccine development and immunoengineering so powerful. Nanoparticles, natural or synthetic, mimic the structural features of viruses whereas chemical biology, biotechnology and nanochemistry enables the development of next-generation designer vaccine technologies. From a vaccine technology development point of view, this is an exciting time and novel technologies and approaches are poised to make a clinical impact for the first time.
Nucleic acid-based vaccines
Delivering the genetic code for in situ production of viral proteins is a promising alternative to conventional vaccine approaches. Both DNA and mRNA vaccines fall under this category and are being pursued in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. While these platforms are attractive in terms of safety, speed, stability and scalability, they carry a significantly higher risk of failure in clinical development as seen previously with other novel technologies40. To date there is no licensed DNA or RNA vaccine. Nevertheless, a particular advantage of these vaccines is that in addition to antibody and CD4+ T cell responses, DNA or RNA vaccine elicit CD8+ cytotoxic T cell responses, which plays a key role for virus eradication41,42. For the DNA vaccines, the frontrunner in this space is Inovio Pharmaceuticals with their Phase I clinical trial having commenced 6 April 2020. Another rising company on track for a Phase I clinical trial is Entos Pharmaceuticals, Inc. a company based in Alberta, Canada. mRNA vaccines can be produced through in vitro transcription, which precludes the need for cells and their associated regulatory hurdles43. Moderna’s mRNA-based technology was the fastest to Phase I clinical trial in the US, which began on 16 March 2020 (see Table 1). Additionally, BioNTech-Pfizer recently announced regulatory approval in Germany for Phase I/II clinical trials to test four lead mRNA vaccine candidates44.
While DNA vaccines offer higher stability over mRNA vaccines, the mRNA is non-integrating and therefore poses no risk of insertional mutagenesis. Additionally, the half-life, stability and immunogenicity of mRNA can be tuned through established modifications45. For example, researchers at the Imperial College of London and Arcturus Therapeutics are incorporating self-amplifying RNA technology to prolong the otherwise short half-life of the RNA and thereby boost S protein expression levels46 (http://www.imperial.ac.uk/a-z-research/future-vaccine-hub/workstreams/rna-vaccine-manufacture). Nanotechnology-based approaches offer enabling solutions to the delivery challenge by trafficking the vaccine to appropriate cellular populations and subcellular locations. While synthetic nanocarriers including cationic liposomes and polymeric nanoparticles have been used for the delivery of DNA vaccines across cell membranes, targeted formulations could further enhance nuclear translocation of the plasmid DNA47. Moderna’s mRNA vaccine is based on a lipid nanoparticle platform, but there are many other emerging nanotechnologies for delivery of nucleic acid vaccines (several structures are shown in Fig. 3). Nanotechnology platforms including cationic nanoemulsions, liposomes, dendrimers or polysaccharide particles have been employed for improving the stability and delivery of mRNA based vaccines41,45.

What's for lunch? I'm Starving!

Greens and potatoes and meat

I'm sorry, it's taking me time to read up.
I've read this post, now I'm about to look at the external links.

Based on what I've read so far.
I think @Fundamental is hitting the nail on the head here. The biggest problem we have is that we are not able to trust scientists anymore. The companies have become too big, and shown that they are able to bribe doctors and spend billions annually doing that. It's common knowledge that doctors get money bonuses when they prescribe certain medicines. They visit them, give them gifts and try to entice them. Where I'm from, it was the most renowned medical institute in the country, that used to manufacture vaccines. I had trust in their vaccines. The best medical experts working directly for the state produced vaccines. When a medical case is difficult, that's one of the places where they send you. Prime medical experts. But the state gradually shut the production down, beginning with N1H1 scare, and now order vaccines from the big guys from abroad. I don't trust those big guys, they have simply grown into a monster. Bodies will end up in bags over that kind of money.

Some things you can research, but unfortunately, research only goes so far.

They say that mRNA based technology doesn't integrate into our DNA, no chance, no way. Unless I graduate as a molecular biologist, how can I know whether they are telling me the truth, or knowingly allowing a certain risk for the sake of profit? After all, they did cover up bad side effects that happened during the vaccine testing. How can I trust them what they say? Is there anyone to keep them accountable if something happens to you? There isn't. This industry instills ZERO trust and provides ZERO accountability whatsoever.

 

[EleventhHour]

This industry instills ZERO trust and provides ZERO accountability whatsoever.

Actually, there have been many class action law suits with large settlements.

They companies are not out to make people sick per se, they are however competing against each other which leads to hasty development quite often.... get something to market.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Actually, there have been many class action law suits with large settlements.

They companies are not out to make people sick per se, they are however competing against each other which leads to hasty development quite often.... get something to market.

How come that people sign that they are responsible for whatever happens to them as a consequence of vaccine when they get it? I have not heard of these lawsuits. How were they able to sue? AFAIK the law protects the manufacturers.

 

[EleventhHour]

How come that people sign that they are responsible for whatever happens to them as a consequence of vaccine when they get it? I have not heard of these lawsuits. How were they able to sue? AFAIK the law protects the manufacturers.

I have never signed a disclaimer when I was vaccinated?

Any manufacturer can be sued if damages can be proven in court and if there was negligence.

Pharma companies have paid out billions. It is highly competitive, they are highly driven to get it approved, get the patent and get it on the market.

Now are they willing to put pressure on governmental agencies for approval and not act responsibly when possible of course... this is a profit motivated industry.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I have never signed a disclaimer when I was vaccinated?

Any manufacturer can be sued if damages can be proven in court and if there was negligence.

Pharma companies have paid out billions. It is highly competitive, they are highly driven to get it approved, get the patent and get it on the market.

Now are they willing to put pressure on governmental agencies for approval and not act responsibly when possible of course... this is a profit motivated industry.

Where I'm from, you sign. It's very frustrating, and stressful to the parents. They fear what is in the vaccines and feel abandoned and helpless.

 

[EleventhHour]

Where I'm from, you sign. It's very frustrating, and stressful to the parents. They fear what is in the vaccines and feel abandoned and helpless.

That is the result of the class action law suits.

There is a risk for some children with some vaccines... the scheduling of vaccines is very important. In Canada they are more spread out, I have heard from family in the USA the vaccines are many and very close together, probably hard a babies developing immune system.

 

[PennEd]

I had to google Prevarication. I categorically deny these charges!

And you think you could defeat me in scrabble!?

 

[Scribe]

Greens and potatoes and meat

I'm sorry, it's taking me time to read up.
I've read this post, now I'm about to look at the external links.

Based on what I've read so far.
I think @Fundamental is hitting the nail on the head here. The biggest problem we have is that we are not able to trust scientists anymore. The companies have become too big, and shown that they are able to bribe doctors and spend billions annually doing that. It's common knowledge that doctors get money bonuses when they prescribe certain medicines. They visit them, give them gifts and try to entice them. Where I'm from, it was the most renowned medical institute in the country, that used to manufacture vaccines. I had trust in their vaccines. The best medical experts working directly for the state produced vaccines. When a medical case is difficult, that's one of the places where they send you. Prime medical experts. But the state gradually shut the production down, beginning with N1H1 scare, and now order vaccines from the big guys from abroad. I don't trust those big guys, they have simply grown into a monster. Bodies will end up in bags over that kind of money.

Some things you can research, but unfortunately, research only goes so far.

They say that mRNA based technology doesn't integrate into our DNA, no chance, no way. Unless I graduate as a molecular biologist, how can I know whether they are telling me the truth, or knowingly allowing a certain risk for the sake of profit? After all, they did cover up bad side effects that happened during the vaccine testing. How can I trust them what they say? Is there anyone to keep them accountable if something happens to you? There isn't. This industry instills ZERO trust and provides ZERO accountability whatsoever.

How can one know how mRNA works without being geneticist or a immunologist? I would think that one could read from multiples sources. Isn't that how we learn almost everything? We all have a level of trust that the authors and the reference books we rely on over decades are accurate and that they are exposed fairly quickly if they aren't. How do you become an immunologist without trusting that the information you are taught is true and build on that.

I am waiting for 3rd phase trials to complete and the data made available for all to read. Will I be trusting that there are many other eyes on that data and the manufacturing process for the vaccine than just the company that is making it? Yes. I am expecting FDA, and other organizations, internal and external auditors, and other scientists to be analyzing and confirming the data that is published and when that data is available I will make my decision. The mRNA solution already "seems" safer than the DNA (virus DNA) or other vaccines that use virus parts. But 30,000 people are going to let me know.

There is really nothing else to read about until those tests are complete.

 

[Scribe]

And you think you could defeat me in scrabble!?

I am sure I would NOT!