Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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This is similar to the Gnostic beliefs that only a few *ENLIGHTENED ONES* can grasp the truth. So you must be a part of the *Christian elite*. On the other hand the Bible says that God will have ALL MEN to be saved and to come unto the truth. Did you get that? Try going over that verse several dozen times until it sinks in.
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Do you never get fed up of Calvinistic baloney? You cannot be made alive in Christ until and unless you repent and are converted. Only then do you receive the Holy Spirit, and only then is your spirit made alive in Christ through the New Birth. How can anyone tolerate so much nonsense?
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"dcontroversal,
[It utterly amazes me how anyone can swallow that heretical false belief]....
This is the historic belief of the confessing Churches. It is your defective ideas thatare outside the faith once delivered to the saints;
https://reformed.org/historic-confessions/
1647 Westminster Confession and Standards
The Westminster Confession of Faith’s Additional Documents, along with the subordinate documents like the Larger and Short Catechism, Solemn League and Covenant, Sum of Saving Knoweldge, etc.
Comparison of the 1646 Westminster Confession Edition to the tragic American Revision of the Confession
1655 Midland Confession of Faith
1689 Baptist Confession of Faith
The 95 Theses by Martin Luther
The TABLE-TALK of Martin Luther (PDF)
3 Forms of Unity AUDIO
The Children’s Catechism
A Short History of Creeds and Confessions by A.A. Hodge
Abstract of Principles (1858)
An Appendix to the Baptist Confession of Faith by Benjamin Cox (1646)
An Excerpt from The History of the Westminster Assembly of Divines by Willian Hetherington
Benjamin Keach’s Catechism (1689)
Calvin’s Catechism by John Calvin
Small Children’s Catechism Buy a copy here.
Confession of Faith of the Calvinistic Methodists of Wales (1823)
Covenants of New England (1629-1639)
Creeds from the Bible
First London Confession of 1646
Lausanne Covenant (1974)
London Baptist Confession of 1644
Short Confession of Faith in 20 Articles (1609) by John Smyth
The Athanasian Creed Circa 500 A.D.
The Augsburg Confession – by Philip Melancthon (1497-1560)
Apology of the Augsburg Confession
The Belgic Confession Circa 1561 A.D.
The Belgic Confession AUDIO
The Book of Concord – The Confessions of the Lutheran Church
The Cambridge Declaration
The Canons of the Council of Orange (circa 529 AD)
The Chalcedonian Creed Circa 451 A.D.
The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy (1978)
The Consensus Tigurinus by John Calvin
The Discretionary Power of the Church by John L. Girardeau
The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura in a Nutshell by C. Matthew McMahon
The Genevan Book of Church Order
The Heidelberg Catechism (1563, 1619) by Zacharias Ursinus
The Heidelberg Catechism AUDIO
The Irish Articles of Religion (1615) by James Ussher
The Lambeth Articles
The Mayflower Compact (1620)
The Nicene Creed Circa 381 A.D.
The Remonstrants’ Heretical Arminian Documents
The Savoy Declaration (1658) by John Owen
The Scottish Confession by John Knox
The Second Helvetic Confession
The Seven Articles of the Church of Leyden (1617)
The Smalcald Articles by Martin Luther
The Canons of the Synod of Dordt (1618-1619 A.D.)
The Canons of the Synod of Dordt AUDIO
The Thirty-Nine Articles (1571)
The Utility and Importance of Creeds and Confessions by Samue
[These people are so deceived it is tragic and sickening at the same time!]
Looks like you have been misled
[It utterly amazes me how anyone can swallow that heretical false belief]....
This is the historic belief of the confessing Churches. It is your defective ideas thatare outside the faith once delivered to the saints;
https://reformed.org/historic-confessions/
1647 Westminster Confession and Standards
The Westminster Confession of Faith’s Additional Documents, along with the subordinate documents like the Larger and Short Catechism, Solemn League and Covenant, Sum of Saving Knoweldge, etc.
Comparison of the 1646 Westminster Confession Edition to the tragic American Revision of the Confession
1655 Midland Confession of Faith
1689 Baptist Confession of Faith
The 95 Theses by Martin Luther
The TABLE-TALK of Martin Luther (PDF)
3 Forms of Unity AUDIO
The Children’s Catechism
A Short History of Creeds and Confessions by A.A. Hodge
Abstract of Principles (1858)
An Appendix to the Baptist Confession of Faith by Benjamin Cox (1646)
An Excerpt from The History of the Westminster Assembly of Divines by Willian Hetherington
Benjamin Keach’s Catechism (1689)
Calvin’s Catechism by John Calvin
Small Children’s Catechism Buy a copy here.
Confession of Faith of the Calvinistic Methodists of Wales (1823)
Covenants of New England (1629-1639)
Creeds from the Bible
First London Confession of 1646
Lausanne Covenant (1974)
London Baptist Confession of 1644
Short Confession of Faith in 20 Articles (1609) by John Smyth
The Athanasian Creed Circa 500 A.D.
The Augsburg Confession – by Philip Melancthon (1497-1560)
Apology of the Augsburg Confession
The Belgic Confession Circa 1561 A.D.
The Belgic Confession AUDIO
The Book of Concord – The Confessions of the Lutheran Church
The Cambridge Declaration
The Canons of the Council of Orange (circa 529 AD)
The Chalcedonian Creed Circa 451 A.D.
The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy (1978)
The Consensus Tigurinus by John Calvin
The Discretionary Power of the Church by John L. Girardeau
The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura in a Nutshell by C. Matthew McMahon
The Genevan Book of Church Order
The Heidelberg Catechism (1563, 1619) by Zacharias Ursinus
The Heidelberg Catechism AUDIO
The Irish Articles of Religion (1615) by James Ussher
The Lambeth Articles
The Mayflower Compact (1620)
The Nicene Creed Circa 381 A.D.
The Remonstrants’ Heretical Arminian Documents
The Savoy Declaration (1658) by John Owen
The Scottish Confession by John Knox
The Second Helvetic Confession
The Seven Articles of the Church of Leyden (1617)
The Smalcald Articles by Martin Luther
The Canons of the Synod of Dordt (1618-1619 A.D.)
The Canons of the Synod of Dordt AUDIO
The Thirty-Nine Articles (1571)
The Utility and Importance of Creeds and Confessions by Samue
[These people are so deceived it is tragic and sickening at the same time!]
Looks like you have been misled
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@Iconoclast
"That inward grace whereby to be saved is deservedly NOT given unto all men."
@dcontroversal was correct >>>> sickening and tragic.
You can list every book, every website, every author, every teacher and there are many, it only means it is far more tragic and pervasive.
"That inward grace whereby to be saved is deservedly NOT given unto all men."
@dcontroversal was correct >>>> sickening and tragic.
You can list every book, every website, every author, every teacher and there are many, it only means it is far more tragic and pervasive.
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It is nonsense to claim Jesus taught nonsense.
In fact it is blasphemous, since Five Point Calvinism is spiritual NONSENSE. It perverts every Gospel truth, and I have already posted on that.
Since you call yourself Iconoclast, how come the idol of Calvinism has not been toppled by you already? The apostle John said "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" but you paid him no heed.
In fact it is blasphemous, since Five Point Calvinism is spiritual NONSENSE. It perverts every Gospel truth, and I have already posted on that.
Since you call yourself Iconoclast, how come the idol of Calvinism has not been toppled by you already? The apostle John said "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" but you paid him no heed.
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From A Baptist Catechism with Commentary,by W.R. Downing,used by permission;
Quest. 38: What were the results of Adam’s sin? Ans: Adam spiritually died. His act of sin was imputed to all his posterity. Every human being has also inherited his sinful nature, which expresses itself constantly under the reigning power of sin. Rom. 3:23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. See also: Gen. 5:3; Rom. 5:12, 18–19; 1 Cor. 15:21–22.
COMMENTARY Adam died spiritually immediately upon his act of disobedience, i.e., his relationship to God, his personality and his nature underwent a substantial change of relationship. His personality was originally under the control of a righteous intelligence, but came under the sway of the physical nature and its appetites. This sinful shift in the personality can only begin to be set aside by saving grace (Jn. 3:3, 5; Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22–24; Col. 3:1–3; 9–10).
Adam stood as Representative Man, and therefore when he sinned in apostatizing from God, the whole human race fell in him as their federal head. This is called “original sin,” or immediate imputation. Even if a person could begin from any point in his or her life and live perfectly without sin—even if this were possible—he or she would still be utterly condemned because of original sin [the imputation of Adam’s transgression]. The condemnation and guilt of sin are thus inescapable.
When Adam and Eve, as sinners, had children, they, too, were sinners (Gen. 5:3). The defacement of the Divine image in man was passed to all of Adam’s posterity by both imputation and inheritance. Thus, all human beings not only have original sin, but also a sinful nature and so are prone to personal sin. The inheritance of Adam’s sinful nature and proneness to transgression is termed “‘mediate’ imputation” (Rom. 3:9–18).
Both the immediate and mediate imputation of sin are awful realties. Every subsequent human being consequently evidences his or her sinful state by personal sins in disposition, inclination, motivation, thought, word and deed as being under its reigning power. Because all human beings are sinners, all stand in need of salvation from both the reigning power of sin and from its immediate and ultimate consequences. It is not only noteworthy, but absolutely vital to understand that, even with the curse, there came the promise of a redeemer (Gen. 3:15) [the protevangelium, or first promise of the gospel]. This Divine revelation to the serpent as a challenge and to man as a promise demonstrates constantly that God is a God of purpose, who delights in mercy and glories in grace (Isa. 45:22; Jn. 3:16–18)!
Quest. 38: What were the results of Adam’s sin? Ans: Adam spiritually died. His act of sin was imputed to all his posterity. Every human being has also inherited his sinful nature, which expresses itself constantly under the reigning power of sin. Rom. 3:23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. See also: Gen. 5:3; Rom. 5:12, 18–19; 1 Cor. 15:21–22.
COMMENTARY Adam died spiritually immediately upon his act of disobedience, i.e., his relationship to God, his personality and his nature underwent a substantial change of relationship. His personality was originally under the control of a righteous intelligence, but came under the sway of the physical nature and its appetites. This sinful shift in the personality can only begin to be set aside by saving grace (Jn. 3:3, 5; Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22–24; Col. 3:1–3; 9–10).
Adam stood as Representative Man, and therefore when he sinned in apostatizing from God, the whole human race fell in him as their federal head. This is called “original sin,” or immediate imputation. Even if a person could begin from any point in his or her life and live perfectly without sin—even if this were possible—he or she would still be utterly condemned because of original sin [the imputation of Adam’s transgression]. The condemnation and guilt of sin are thus inescapable.
When Adam and Eve, as sinners, had children, they, too, were sinners (Gen. 5:3). The defacement of the Divine image in man was passed to all of Adam’s posterity by both imputation and inheritance. Thus, all human beings not only have original sin, but also a sinful nature and so are prone to personal sin. The inheritance of Adam’s sinful nature and proneness to transgression is termed “‘mediate’ imputation” (Rom. 3:9–18).
Both the immediate and mediate imputation of sin are awful realties. Every subsequent human being consequently evidences his or her sinful state by personal sins in disposition, inclination, motivation, thought, word and deed as being under its reigning power. Because all human beings are sinners, all stand in need of salvation from both the reigning power of sin and from its immediate and ultimate consequences. It is not only noteworthy, but absolutely vital to understand that, even with the curse, there came the promise of a redeemer (Gen. 3:15) [the protevangelium, or first promise of the gospel]. This Divine revelation to the serpent as a challenge and to man as a promise demonstrates constantly that God is a God of purpose, who delights in mercy and glories in grace (Isa. 45:22; Jn. 3:16–18)!
This proves nothing.....and the same could be directed right back at you pal......the hilarious truth...what you and your Calvinite buddies peddle is akin to the Pharisees of the 1st Century A.D.....and they, like you guys, absolutely believe you have the market cornered on understanding scripture while ignoring truth left, right and center that absolutely contradicts the charade you guys peddle.....the same egotistical, self righteous, Phariseeical, I am special, glad I am not like you sinners false gospel.
The bible is clear....salvation is open to all, everything testifies to man, humanity is WITHOUT EXCUSE before the throne and Christ paid the sin debt of the whole word is says...and without a doubt men preach the gospel, those HEARING MUST BELIEVE, ACKNOWLEDGE SAID BELIEF and THEN AND ONLY THEN ARE THEY SAVED, BORN FROM ABOVE AND REGENERATED by the living God of Heaven.
What you and your cronies peddle is not only false, it is blasphemous because it flat DENIES the intent and purpose of Christ, his mission, his power, the ability of the LIGHT to shine in a dark place and illuminate a fallen man's mind to the extent that they can be made whole, reunited with the God that made them in their mother's womb and it flat denies the LOVE OF GOD and the fact that GOD IS LOVE while devaluing GOD to some HORRID HATER that will in BIAS say MAN A gets lucky and man B thru Z will cook....that is as evil as it comes....and while I am there....I think it is a crying SHAME this heretical dogma is allowed on this site!
The bible is clear....salvation is open to all, everything testifies to man, humanity is WITHOUT EXCUSE before the throne and Christ paid the sin debt of the whole word is says...and without a doubt men preach the gospel, those HEARING MUST BELIEVE, ACKNOWLEDGE SAID BELIEF and THEN AND ONLY THEN ARE THEY SAVED, BORN FROM ABOVE AND REGENERATED by the living God of Heaven.
What you and your cronies peddle is not only false, it is blasphemous because it flat DENIES the intent and purpose of Christ, his mission, his power, the ability of the LIGHT to shine in a dark place and illuminate a fallen man's mind to the extent that they can be made whole, reunited with the God that made them in their mother's womb and it flat denies the LOVE OF GOD and the fact that GOD IS LOVE while devaluing GOD to some HORRID HATER that will in BIAS say MAN A gets lucky and man B thru Z will cook....that is as evil as it comes....and while I am there....I think it is a crying SHAME this heretical dogma is allowed on this site!
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A very odd pitcher to see; The natural man, who cannot understand the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness, repenting of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot understand. The natural man will not do that, infact, 1 Cor 2:14 says he cannot know spiritual laws, because they are spiritually discerned. The only way that the natural man can understand spiritual things is after he has been quickened to a spiritual life.
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"Duskey
[Do you believe God creates certain people specifically destined for damnation?]
Hello D,
Fair question.
God created man upright Gen 1:31
Eccl.7:
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Man was created pre-fall in the image of God.
After the fall into sin and death, men were made after Adam, that is spiritually dead
Gen5:
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Sinners outside of Christ are condemned men, guilty before God.
God in mercy saves a multitude os guilty sinners and passes by others.
1689 confession of faith
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )
[Do you believe God creates certain people specifically destined for damnation?]
Hello D,
Fair question.
God created man upright Gen 1:31
Eccl.7:
29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Man was created pre-fall in the image of God.
After the fall into sin and death, men were made after Adam, that is spiritually dead
Gen5:
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
Sinners outside of Christ are condemned men, guilty before God.
God in mercy saves a multitude os guilty sinners and passes by others.
1689 confession of faith
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )
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