"this generation will not pass away" - until the second coming of Jesus?

[Mem]

And then the next age/generation(Gen.2:4) would begin. But,,in the next generation there would still be an sin that would not be forgiven https://biblehub.com/matthew/12-32.htm .... So if the generations of the heavens and the earth are the 7 days of creation in Genesis 2:4 then "six days thou shalt labor...and on the 7th rest",,, so was it going from day/age/generation 3 to 4 or 5 to 6 or the 7th?

I think I see where you are going with this days of creation parallel, wherein Jesus (the sun of righteousness) 'enters the timeline in the fourth (ie, as would be appropriate to 'the door') day, and so also the moon (we the lesser light)?

 

[iamsoandso]

I think I see where you are going with this days of creation parallel, wherein Jesus (the sun of righteousness) 'enters the timeline in the fourth (ie, as would be appropriate to 'the door') day, and so also the moon (we the lesser light)?

Midst of the week he was cut off(Cross) and the sacrifice and oblation ceased(ad70) then day four,five,six and then the Sabbath day,,,a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as an day.

 

[Mem]

Midst of the week he was cut off(Cross) and the sacrifice and oblation ceased(ad70) then day four,five,six and then the Sabbath day,,,a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as an day.

According to my calculation, the occurrence of the cross was during the 454th sabbath year... if I do recall it correctly.

 

[Scribe]

Mark 13:24"Now, after the misery of those days, the sun will turn dark, the moon will not give light, 25the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the universe will be shaken. 26"Then people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27He will send out his angels, and from every direction under the sky, they will gather those whom God has chosen.

28"Learn from the story of the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and it sprouts leaves, you know summer is near. 29In the same way, when you see these things happen, you know that he is near, at the door. 30"I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place. 31The earth and the heavens will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

I am going with, " the people who are alive at the time these things begin to be fulfilled will see them all fulfilled in succession right up to the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory" And.. that glory will be as though he were shining like the sun. Like on the Mount of Transfiguration. That is why he said some of you will not taste death until you see the power of the coming of the Son of Man, and then he took some of them on the mount and was transfigured before them.

 

[iamsoandso]

According to my calculation, the occurrence of the cross was during the 454th sabbath year... if I do recall it correctly.

In Judaism they have been looking at the times and seasons this way all along and think it's now the Hebrew year 5780(counting off 6000 years/six days,generations) awaiting the 7th. Jesus said that they could not discern the signs of the times https://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-3.htm so I would take their calculations with a grain of salt. They await him to come then because they do not see that he was to come/came "in the midst of the week"...

 

[JaumeJ]

5780 is an approximation due to the law not to add to nor take away from the Word of God.

How come? The calendar was compiled utilizing the Word and Genealogies. Because the ages of some were left out (for some reason,) those who worked on the compilation would not assume to guess at the true times in lieu of this, they simply left them out. Ergo we are much closer to the year 6o00 than we could imagine.

 

[iamsoandso]

Mark 13:24"Now, after the misery of those days, the sun will turn dark, the moon will not give light, 25the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the universe will be shaken. 26"Then people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27He will send out his angels, and from every direction under the sky, they will gather those whom God has chosen.

28"Learn from the story of the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and it sprouts leaves, you know summer is near. 29In the same way, when you see these things happen, you know that he is near, at the door. 30"I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place. 31The earth and the heavens will disappear, but my words will never disappear.

I am going with, " the people who are alive at the time these things begin to be fulfilled will see them all fulfilled in succession right up to the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory" And.. that glory will be as though he were shining like the sun. Like on the Mount of Transfiguration. That is why he said some of you will not taste death until you see the power of the coming of the Son of Man, and then he took some of them on the mount and was transfigured before them.

Do you believe you are in the Millennial,seventh day now and that it began in ad70 or that it is possible to commit this sin in this age,day generation https://biblehub.com/matthew/12-32.htm ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 24 is basically this.

Jesus is pointing towards the Temple , that was still standing, and said , “ this generation will not pass before they see these things happen” and they asked him what are the signs of the end of this age and so on. Jesus goes on to them them when they, ( those he’s talking to at that moment and those who hear these words who will be in Jerusalem) see the abomination standing in the holy place ( the temple that was there ) they need to flee into the mountains. Don’t wait. Don’t grab your jacket. Don’t tend to Your fields. Flee from rooftop to roof top ( because the houses were built onto one another and near one another ).

He’s telling them that they themselves will witness the end of the age when the abomination attacks them in Jerusalem, and destroys the temple.

We can also see other clues to pay attention too.


Matthew 24:14
New American Standard Bible

14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

So a logical question would be was the word heard throughout the whole world then according to the apostles?

Colossians 1:5-6
5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel 6 which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth;

Romans also has a quote pertaining to this.

Romans 10:15-18
15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”
16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

Consider this passage from Paul about marriage.

1 Corinthians 7:25-31
25 Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy. 26 I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none; 30 and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess; 31 and those who use the world, as though they did not make full use of it; for the form of this world is passing away.

He says because of the current stress don’t marry. He mentions the days will be shortened and that this world is passing away. Paul was taking to disciples at Corinth.

Lastly I would say what about the seven letters John wrote to specific churches in revelation. He was telling those churches at that day and age through that area various things.

So was that temple Jesus was pointing at destroyed during those very disciples lives? Yes it was. There is no mentioning of the second temple being rebuilt and destroyed again.

Did Paul warn the disciples not to be married then because of the current situation they were facing but rejoice that the days of it were cut short and be ready for the current form of the world to pass away and be something new? Yes he did.

Did John has letters within revelation for specific churches at that time that he knew about and was praising some and rebuking gun others? Yes he did.

Was the gospel heard under all of creation and to the ends of the earth according to the apostles? Yes Paul said so.

Preterism is a false teaching, Matthew 24 wasn't fulfilled in the 70AD Roman Destruction of Jerusalem.

The 2nd Coming seen below in Matthew 24:29-30 is yet a (Future Event) unfulfilled.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Skovand]

Preterism is a false teaching, Matthew 24 wasn't fulfilled in the 70AD Roman Destruction of Jerusalem.

The 2nd Coming seen below in Matthew 24:29-30 is yet a (Future Event) unfulfilled.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Seems you’re depending on highly symbolic language rather than the more concrete and direct signs.

Such as do you really think Jesus is literally riding on white fluffy clouds coming from outer space? Where is heaven? Is it beyond mars? Or is it more like in revelation where he’s riding a horse that can fly and then he pulls a sword out of his mouth? It’s difficult to take very ambiguous highly abstract and symbolic verses and ignore the verses that are more direct and clear cut.

 

[Mem]

In Judaism they have been looking at the times and seasons this way all along and think it's now the Hebrew year 5780(counting off 6000 years/six days,generations) awaiting the 7th. Jesus said that they could not discern the signs of the times https://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/16-3.htm so I would take their calculations with a grain of salt. They await him to come then because they do not see that he was to come/came "in the midst of the week"...

5780 is an approximation due to the law not to add to nor take away from the Word of God.

How come? The calendar was compiled utilizing the Word and Genealogies. Because the ages of some were left out (for some reason,) those who worked on the compilation would not assume to guess at the true times in lieu of this, they simply left them out. Ergo we are much closer to the year 6o00 than we could imagine.

Right, I did go by their figuring if only to approximate the time, and if it isn't too far off, figured the year 5782 is the 826th sabbath year... so I might've come 545 rather (going backwards) and having a dyslexicombobbulamnesia, mixed up my result, actually having had taken it with that grain of salt in the first place ;p

 

[Skovand]

This may help with the cloud rider dilemma.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+33&version=NASB

If you read though this chapter you’ll notice a lot of very symbolic aspects to their songs. It often is followed by a very direct and clear cut interpreted explanation.

So what is the actual meaning of the symbolism used concerning Jesus coming back in a chariot of clouds being pulled by a flying horse? What is the actual meaning of Jesus pulling a sword from his throat.

You can be fairly certain the jews were not looking got jesus riding a horse out from behind clouds but was looking for something else. The verses in every case explain it.

 

[iamsoandso]

Right, I did go by their figuring if only to approximate the time, and if it isn't too far off, figured the year 5782 is the 826th sabbath year... so I might've come 545 rather (going backwards) and having a dyslexicombobbulamnesia, mixed up my result, actually having had taken it with that grain of salt in the first place ;p

The father of the groom will send him when he's ready so if the ears are almost overripe then you must assemble Israel a month sooner next year or it will be blemished. If the grain is almost under ripe you should add an month for it to be the first fruits. If those days were not shortened then all flesh would parish so for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

 

[Truth7t7]

Seems you’re depending on highly symbolic language rather than the more concrete and direct signs.

Such as do you really think Jesus is literally riding on white fluffy clouds coming from outer space? Where is heaven? Is it beyond mars? Or is it more like in revelation where he’s riding a horse that can fly and then he pulls a sword out of his mouth? It’s difficult to take very ambiguous highly abstract and symbolic verses and ignore the verses that are more direct and clear cut.

The Lord Jesus Is Going To Return The Same Way He Was Taken Up, By A Cloud In The Heavens, Just As Matthew 24:29-30 Describes Below.

Do You Believe The Scripture Was A Symbolic Metaphor

Acts 1:9-11KJV
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Northwind80]

Matthew 24:27-31; Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28:
[explains about second coming of Jesus]

Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32:
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

Does it mean that, the second coming (as explained in Matt 24:27-31) was expected during the same generation when Jesus lived?

A big clue to understanding what "this generation" means in Matthew 24 is to understand what it means in Matthew 23:36. This verse in the previous chapter is so helpful because it's all part of the same context. And the best way to interpret the Bible is to understand each passage in its historical and grammatical context. Matthew 23 provides that for Matthew 24.

 

[Truth7t7]

A big clue to understanding what "this generation" means in Matthew 24 is to understand what it means in Matthew 23:36. This verse in the previous chapter is so helpful because it's all part of the same context. And the best way to interpret the Bible is to understand each passage in its historical and grammatical context. Matthew 23 provides that for Matthew 24.

Matthew 23:36 has no connection to Matthew 24 whatsoever.

Jesus Christ was speaking to the generation of Jews, not to the audience and questions of the apostles in Matthew Chapter 24

(What Shall Be The Sign Of Thy Coming, And Of The End Of The World)?

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[Northwind80]

Exactly 100% Correct, "This Generation" is speaking to the "Future" generation that will be actual eyewitnesses to the events.

Preterism falsely teaches Matthew Chapter 24 was fulfilled in 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, a big (Lie)

As the verses below clearly shows the future second coming of Jesus Christ, that will take place after the future great tribulation upon earth.

Jesus Christ Didn't Return In 70AD

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I hate to say it but if Jesus meant a future generation he would have said "that" instead of "this". It's what the words mean even if it leads to an interpretation that doesn't make sense to us. So we need to let Jesus say what he said and adjust our interpretation to the very words in the Bible.

 

[Northwind80]

Jesus Christ was speaking on "The Temple" of his body, it appears you need to do your homework

Jesus Christ did destroy the temple, in his death, burial, and resurrection the veil to the holy if holies was rent, and the physical temple in Jerusalem was (Removed)

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Jesus predicts the actual destruction of temple in Jerusalem in the first two verses of Matthew 24. He disciples responded with a question of when that would be. Matthew 24 demands an interpretation in light of this context.

 

[Truth7t7]

I hate to say it but if Jesus meant a future generation he would have said "that" instead of "this". It's what the words mean even if it leads to an interpretation that doesn't make sense to us. So we need to let Jesus say what he said and adjust our interpretation to the very words in the Bible.

Preterism is a false teaching, Matthew 24 wasn't fulfilled in the 70AD Roman Destruction of Jerusalem.

The 2nd Coming seen below in Matthew 24:29-30 is yet a (Future Event) unfulfilled.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Skovand]

The Lord Jesus Is Going To Return The Same Way He Was Taken Up, By A Cloud In The Heavens, Just As Matthew 24:29-30 Describes Below.

Do You Believe The Scripture Was A Symbolic Metaphor

Acts 1:9-11KJV
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes. It was clearly wrote to the first century Jewish people who understood what that symbolism meant. Same as when in genesis it says God came down to earth to see what mankind was doing while the tower was being built.

Where did God come down from?
If God is everywhere all the time then why did he come down to earth to see what was going on?

Studying ancient Hebrew culture can really help lay out a good foundation necessary to understand the statements that are symbolism where they use highly symbolic descriptions to give impact to a event.
Scripture interprets itself almost always. Trace back the images being presented to get their literal context and not just try to force a literal understanding on to a symbolic image.

 

[Northwind80]

Matthew 23:36 has no connection to Matthew 24 whatsoever.

Jesus Christ was speaking to the generation of Jews, not to the audience and questions of the apostles in Matthew Chapter 24

(What Shall Be The Sign Of Thy Coming, And Of The End Of The World)?

Matthew 24:3KJV
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Actually it's all part of the same discourse. Chapter divisions are artificial and we only use them to help our reference. So the end of Matthew 23 is very connected especially since it provides the historical and grammatical context for understanding Matthew 24