"this generation will not pass away" - until the second coming of Jesus?

[Truth7t7]

Again, John 2 is not Matthew 24. Matthew 26 is not Matthew 24 either. The text in those two passages clearly tells us that, when talking to the Council, Jesus was talking about His physical body. That is not the case in Matthew 24. The disciples asked about the stone temple; Jesus' answer in no way hints that He was talking about anything other than the stone temple. The temple was indeed torn down, stone by stone, within that generation. The reader must engage in eisegesis to make Jesus' words about anything but the stone temple.

Your claim is a (Joke) Matthew 26:1 clearly states the words spoken in Matthew 24 &25 are a direct continuation to the story line if chapter 26 same discuss present, as you claim you have the correct exegesis?

Real Big Smiles!

Matthew 26:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him.

Matthew 26:59-61KJV
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

It's quite strange how you believe that Jesus Christ was talking about actual stones, when he was clearly talking about the temple being destroyed in the spiritual.

It appears that you are sitting on the sidelines with the Pharisees in believing it's a literal temple, that took 46 years to build, smiles!

Yes Jesus Christ told his disciples the temple would be destroyed in Matthew 24:1-2, and yes in John 2-22, these very same words are seen in a Parallel teaching.

Matthew 24:1-2
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Matthew 26:59-61KJV
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Again, John 2 is not Matthew 24. Matthew 26 is not Matthew 24 either. The text in those two passages clearly tells us that, when talking to the Council, Jesus was talking about His physical body. That is not the case in Matthew 24. The disciples asked about the stone temple; Jesus' answer in no way hints that He was talking about anything other than the stone temple. The temple was indeed torn down, stone by stone, within that generation. The reader must engage in eisegesis to make Jesus' words about anything but the stone temple.

Your claim is a (Joke)

Matthew 26:1-4 &
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
3 Then assembled together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, unto the palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,
4 And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him.

 

[Dino246]

Your claim is a (Joke) Matthew 26:1 clearly states the words spoken in Matthew 24 &25 are a direct continuation to the story line if chapter 26 same discuss present, as you claim you have the correct exegesis?

Real Big Smiles!

Matthew 26:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

For the purpose of discussion, I can accept your assertion that Matthew 26:1 is part of the same discourse as Matthew 24 and 25. However, Matthew 26:59-61 definitely is not, because it takes place several days later, after Jesus' arrest. That's clear from verse 26:2.

 

[Truth7t7]

For the purpose of discussion, I can accept your assertion that Matthew 26:1 is part of the same discourse as Matthew 24 and 25. However, Matthew 26:59-61 definitely is not, because it takes place several days later, after Jesus' arrest. That's clear from verse 26:2.

We Will Disagree, The Horse Is Dead

Matthew & John's account are the same event in Jerusalem, they were both present at the temple with the disciples.

John clearly states he remembered the Lord stating the destruction of the temple, and the interpretation was the destruction in the spiritual, at the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You sit in the council of the Pharisees, believing it's a literal temple of stone, taking 46 years to build.

The Mystery was (The Temple Of The Lord's Body)

Matthew 24:1-2
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Matthew 26:59-61KJV
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Dino246]

Matthew & John's account are the same event in Jerusalem, they were both present at the temple with the disciples.

John clearly states he remembered the Lord stating the destruction of the temple, and the interpretation was the destruction in the spiritual, at the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

You sit in the council of the Pharisees, believing it's a literal temple of stone, taking 46 years to build.

The Mystery was (The Temple Of The Lord's Body)

Matthew 24:1-2
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Matthew 26:59-61KJV
59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Your position has been refuted.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your position has been refuted.

We Will Disagree, It's Your Position That's In Error.

The Temple Destroyed Was The Lord's Body, At The Resurrection Of The Lord, The Temple In Jerusalem Was Destroyed, The Veil Was Rent, Not One Stone Left Upon Another, Gone, Removed, Unseen!

 

[Dino246]

We Will Disagree, It's Your Position That's In Error.

The Temple Destroyed Was The Lord's Body, At The Resurrection Of The Lord, The Temple In Jerusalem Was Destroyed, The Veil Was Rent, Not One Stone Left Upon Another, Gone, Removed, Unseen!

Do you think that an abundance of capital letters makes your position correct? What utter folly.

Jesus did not mention "the temple" in Matthew 24:2. The only reason to think that He meant the temple of His body is that it supports a certain interpretation of the rest of the chapter. That's simply backwards thinking.

He was talking about the stone temple. That's what the disciples marveled at. Jesus' words, "Do you not see all these things" does not hint at His fleshly body at all. The context is the stone temple. There is no clarifying statement regarding Jesus' body as in Matthew 26.

Just let the text speak to you and stop trying to tell it what it means.

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you think that an abundance of capital letters makes your position correct? What utter folly.

Jesus did not mention "the temple" in Matthew 24:2. The only reason to think that He meant the temple of His body is that it supports a certain interpretation of the rest of the chapter. That's simply backwards thinking.

He was talking about the stone temple. That's what the disciples marveled at. Jesus' words, "Do you not see all these things" does not hint at His fleshly body at all. The context is the stone temple. There is no clarifying statement regarding Jesus' body as in Matthew 26.

Just let the text speak to you and stop trying to tell it what it means.

The scripture has spoke, John was the very same eyewitness at the event in Jerusalem, he stated he (Remembered) what the Lord said in the temple being destroyed

The Mystery was revealed, it was the (Temple Of The Lord's Body) just as John gave account to it in John 2:22

It's you and the Pharisees that believe it's a physical temple made of stone, that took 46 years to build.

 

[Dino246]

The scripture has spoke, John was the very same eyewitness at the event in Jerusalem, he stated he (Remembered) what the Lord said in the temple being destroyed

The Mystery was revealed, it was the (Temple Of The Lord's Body) just as John gave account to it in John 2:22

It's you and the Pharisees that believe it's a physical temple made of stone, that took 46 years to build.

You haven't made anything remotely resembling a compelling case. Merely repeating yourself is also folly.

 

[garee]

Bahahaha! Wow, you really need to read more carefully. John 2 is not Matthew 24. The disciples made reference to the grandeur of the building, not to Jesus' physical body, and Jesus responded regarding the stones of the building, not to His physical body.

smh...

When the earthen body of Jesus, the temple of the Holy Spirit walked out of the temple made with human hands the abomination of desolation. Jesus in a living parable moved by the father declared it desolate .The dead stones remained dead . His invisible presence that works in the temple of mankind will not appear until the last day when mankind receives the promise of a new body the bride of Christ. And death the letter of the law is cast away never to rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord Mathew 23:38-29

The gospel meaning was hid from the apostles.

 

[Dino246]

When the earthen body of Jesus, the temple of the Holy Spirit walked out of the temple made with human hands the abomination of desolation. Jesus in a living parable moved by the father declared it desolate .The dead stones remained dead . His invisible presence that works in the temple of mankind will not appear until the last day when mankind receives the promise of a new body the bride of Christ. And death the letter of the law is cast away never to rise and condemn through corruption another entire creation

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord Mathew 23:38-29

The gospel meaning was hid from the apostles.

How does your post relate to the key verse in chapter 24, where Jesus says, "This generation shall not pass away..."?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Matthew 24:27-31; Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28:
[explains about second coming of Jesus]

Matthew 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32:
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

This generation (the one where all these things take place), will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.

Since those events that Jesus mentioned throughout Matt.24 have not yet taken place, then the said generation is still future.

Trees blossoming = Summer is near

Events taking place = last generation

That said, currently, we have not seen that ruler establish a seven year covenant with Israel and no abomination has been set up in the holy place in the middle of that seven years. When this happens, then that will be the generation that Jesus was speaking of.

 

[iamsoandso]

How does your post relate to the key verse in chapter 24, where Jesus says, "This generation shall not pass away..."?

Whats the meaning of "a generation" to someone who was raised being taught Judaism like the disciples in Matthew 24:3? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm

 

[Truth7t7]

This generation (the one where all these things take place), will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.

Since those events that Jesus mentioned throughout Matt.24 have not yet taken place, then the said generation is still future.

Trees blossoming = Summer is near

Events taking place = last generation

That said, currently, we have not seen that ruler establish a seven year covenant with Israel and no abomination has been set up in the holy place in the middle of that seven years. When this happens, then that will be the generation that Jesus was speaking of.

I agree with most of your post, however there is a future 3.5 year tribulation, that starts with the revealing of the human Man of Sin.

 

[Mem]

According to Strong's usage note of 'genea': a generation; if repeated twice or with another time word, practically indicates infinity of time.

And seeing the verse finishes with 'genetai,' it seems to me that, it is, indeed, repeated, in what appears to be a mirrored (idiom of the period perhaps?) aute genea/genea aute? which (perhaps yes?) suggests a beginning and ending of a full circle (or infinity loop even!)... especially considering that 'will not pass away (parelthe)' meaning appears to lean more toward a time passage rather than the current understanding as a 'dying.'

 

[Truth7t7]

According to Strong's usage note of 'genea': a generation; if repeated twice or with another time word, practically indicates infinity of time.

And seeing the verse finishes with 'genetai,' it seems to me that, it is, indeed, repeated, in what appears to be a mirrored (idiom of the period perhaps?) aute genea/genea aute? which (perhaps yes?) suggests a beginning and ending of a full circle (or infinity loop even!)... especially considering that 'will not pass away' meaning appears to lean more toward a time passage rather than the current understanding as a 'dying.'

Einstein Is That You?

 

[iamsoandso]

According to Strong's usage note of 'genea': a generation; if repeated twice or with another time word, practically indicates infinity of time.

And seeing the verse finishes with 'genetai,' it seems to me that, it is, indeed, repeated, in what appears to be a mirrored (idiom of the period perhaps?) aute genea/genea aute? which (perhaps yes?) suggests a beginning and ending of a full circle (or infinity loop even!)... especially considering that 'will not pass away (parelthe)' meaning appears to lean more toward a time passage rather than the current understanding as a 'dying.'

In Matthew 24:3 the disciples specifically ask the Lord "and the consumption of the age" and he answered them in Matthew 24:34 using the Greek word genea https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-34.htm

 

[Mem]

Einstein Is That You?

In Matthew 24:3 the disciples specifically ask the Lord "and the consumption of the age" and he answered them in Matthew 24:34 using the Greek word genea https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-34.htm

Dad used to call me Einstein but,...

The understanding I am gleaning from it this is that of Jesus speaking of the initiation of the infinite age whilst preparing his disciples for the end of the age they had known up to that time.

 

[iamsoandso]

Dad used to call me Einstein but,...

The understanding I am gleaning from it this is that of Jesus speaking of the initiation of the infinite age whilst preparing his disciples for the end of the age they had known up to that time.

And then the next age/generation(Gen.2:4) would begin. But,,in the next generation there would still be an sin that would not be forgiven https://biblehub.com/matthew/12-32.htm .... So if the generations of the heavens and the earth are the 7 days of creation in Genesis 2:4 then "six days thou shalt labor...and on the 7th rest",,, so was it going from day/age/generation 3 to 4 or 5 to 6 or the 7th?

 

[Skovand]

Matthew 24 is basically this.

Jesus is pointing towards the Temple , that was still standing, and said , “ this generation will not pass before they see these things happen” and they asked him what are the signs of the end of this age and so on. Jesus goes on to them them when they, ( those he’s talking to at that moment and those who hear these words who will be in Jerusalem) see the abomination standing in the holy place ( the temple that was there ) they need to flee into the mountains. Don’t wait. Don’t grab your jacket. Don’t tend to Your fields. Flee from rooftop to roof top ( because the houses were built onto one another and near one another ).

He’s telling them that they themselves will witness the end of the age when the abomination attacks them in Jerusalem, and destroys the temple.

We can also see other clues to pay attention too.


Matthew 24:14
New American Standard Bible

14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

So a logical question would be was the word heard throughout the whole world then according to the apostles?

Colossians 1:5-6
5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel 6 which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth;

Romans also has a quote pertaining to this.

Romans 10:15-18
15 How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news of good things!”
16 However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

Consider this passage from Paul about marriage.

1 Corinthians 7:25-31
25 Now concerning virgins I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy. 26 I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time has been shortened, so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none; 30 and those who weep, as though they did not weep; and those who rejoice, as though they did not rejoice; and those who buy, as though they did not possess; 31 and those who use the world, as though they did not make full use of it; for the form of this world is passing away.

He says because of the current stress don’t marry. He mentions the days will be shortened and that this world is passing away. Paul was taking to disciples at Corinth.

Lastly I would say what about the seven letters John wrote to specific churches in revelation. He was telling those churches at that day and age through that area various things.

So was that temple Jesus was pointing at destroyed during those very disciples lives? Yes it was. There is no mentioning of the second temple being rebuilt and destroyed again.

Did Paul warn the disciples not to be married then because of the current situation they were facing but rejoice that the days of it were cut short and be ready for the current form of the world to pass away and be something new? Yes he did.

Did John has letters within revelation for specific churches at that time that he knew about and was praising some and rebuking gun others? Yes he did.

Was the gospel heard under all of creation and to the ends of the earth according to the apostles? Yes Paul said so.

 

[iamsoandso]

Yep he was cut off in the midst of the week(half way of the generations of the heavens and the earth) and the next generation came and the then the next and we are approaching the seventh day/generation now.