The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation

[GaryA]

In view of these passages, it would not only be absurd, but blasphemous to claim that the resurrection of the saints also happens at the Great White Throne (GWT) Judgment.

Just when exactly would you say that the millenium saints will be resurrected???

(There will be born-again people die during the 1000-year reign of Christ.)

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you really think that Revelation 20:6 is "in heaven" while Revelation 20:7-8 is "on earth"...???

Gary in the scripture below that you reference, you see 100% the Lord's spiritual realm.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ.

What part of the scripture below is "Physically On This Earth"?

(NONE) It's 100% Spiritual

There isn't living physical humans or a kingdom on this earth seen.

The teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a lie.

Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation, in fire and final judgement, dissolving the existing heavens and earth, judgement complete, eternity begins in the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Just when exactly would you say that the millenium saints will be resurrected???

(There will be born-again people die during the 1000-year reign of Christ.)

There isn't going to be a 1000 year millennium on this earth, a false deceptive teaching of man.

All that are in the Graves will come forth at the second coming and final judgement, immediately after the tribulation.

Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation, in fire and final judgement, dissolving the existing heavens and earth, judgement complete, eternity begins in the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem.

The Last Day, Final Judgement!

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Last Day Resurrection!

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

 

[GaryA]

Gary in the scripture below that you reference, you see 100% the Lord's spiritual realm.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ.

What part of the scripture below is "Physically On This Earth"?

(NONE) It's 100% Spiritual

There isn't living physical humans or a kingdom on this earth seen.

The teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a lie.

Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation, in fire and final judgement, dissolving the existing heavens and earth, judgement complete, eternity begins in the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Are you suggesting that the bottomless pit is in [the 3rd] heaven?

Are "the nations" in [the 3rd] heaven?

 

[GaryA]

There isn't going to be a 1000 year millennium on this earth, a false deceptive teaching of man.

All that are in the Graves will come forth at the second coming and final judgement, immediately after the tribulation.

Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation, in fire and final judgement, dissolving the existing heavens and earth, judgement complete, eternity begins in the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem.

The Last Day, Final Judgement!

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Last Day Resurrection!

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

What makes you think Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation?

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you suggesting that the bottomless pit is in [the 3rd] heaven?

Are "the nations" in [the 3rd] heaven?

I jumped in mid stream, no the pit isn't in the 3rd heaven

The Nations spoken of are in this earth, Satan is currently bound in the spiritual realm from one specific purpose (Only)

Deceiving The Nations To Battle" as seen in Rev 20:7-8 below.

Revelations 20:7-8KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

 

[Truth7t7]

What makes you think Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation?

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[GaryA]

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Do you realize that there is a 3.5-year span of time between the first 4 words of verse 29 and the first 2 words of verse 30?

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you realize that there is a 3.5-year span of time between the first 4 words of verse 29 and the first 2 words of verse 30?

We will disagree, there isn't a 3.5 year gap, the scripture is straight forward.

Immediately after the tribulation, Jesus Christ return in the heavens.

Dispensationalism runs around putting Band-Aids on its false teaching every, the glue bottle is empty.

Just as the claim 1 Thessalonians 4:14-14 is a Pre-Trib rapture?

(False) as in these verses you see the resurrection of the believer

(The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First)

The Holy Bible teaches the believer is resurrected on (The Last Day) John 6:39-40, John 11:23-24

Dispensationalism falsely changes the meaning of (Last Day) to keep their false teaching alive.

 

[Absolutely]

Revelation 16, 19, & 20 below are showing the exact same (Final Battle) in parallel teachings, the book of Revelations isn't taught in chronological order as dispensationalism (Falsely Teaches)

Your presentation of Revelation 19 with Jesus Christ returning on the white horse to battle, is nothing more than the (Second Coming) end of this world in final judgement in the lake of fire, same lake of fire and final judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15 below in a (Parallel Teaching)

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 19:11-21-KJV
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20:7-15KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

""Your presentation of Revelation 19 with Jesus Christ returning on the white horse to battle, is nothing more than the (Second Coming) end of this world in final judgement in the lake of fire, same lake of fire and final judgement seen in Revelation 20:11-15 below in a (Parallel Teaching)""

Nope

You litterally made that up.

You painted yourself in a corner big time

 

[Absolutely]

It's you who will change God's truth, and reframe meanings to fit false teachings.

(The Last Day, Is The Last Day) No More Days To Follow, (Last)

Below in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 we see the dead believer in Christ, we clearly see the dead in Christ rising first?

The Bible clearly teaches that this resurrection of the believer takes place on (The Last Day)

Your claims that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 below is a (Pre-Trib) Rapture is a big Pinocchio's nose is growing again fairy tale.

Will your pride keep you from the very clear presented truth?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Ahem..."BEFORE THE FLOOD"..."BEFORE SODOM DESTROYED"

postrib doctrine...."after the flood noah is delivered"..."after sodom is judged lot is taken out"

Stop reframing Jesus words to make him agree that he does not gather his bride or the jews by appearing in the clouds.

Either Jesus is wrong or you are.

 

[Absolutely]

It's you who will change God's truth, and reframe meanings to fit false teachings.

(The Last Day, Is The Last Day) No More Days To Follow, (Last)

Below in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 we see the dead believer in Christ, we clearly see the dead in Christ rising first?

The Bible clearly teaches that this resurrection of the believer takes place on (The Last Day)

Your claims that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 below is a (Pre-Trib) Rapture is a big Pinocchio's nose is growing again fairy tale.

Will your pride keep you from the very clear presented truth?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

No matter how much you try to slice it,the rapture of 1thes 4,the 10 virgins of mat 25,the gathering of ripe fruit from the clouds in rev 14....IN NO WAY is your misframed 2nd coming in power.

That is why you do all that dance and cannot reconcile my verses.

 

[Absolutely]

You don't have a single verse that explicitly says all those who refuse the Mark are killed for it. All you have is:

1) a death decree pronounced against the saints, with no mention of a body count
2) 144,000 who got the victory over the beast which 1 John 4:4 KJV plainly says is not predicated on one's death
3) 144,000 who loved not their lives unto death, which is the sentiment of millions of Christians throughout history who were not martyred, but died of natural causes.

Therefore, your argument for pre-trib which says:

• all who refuse the Mark are killed
• which "proves" no Christian is going through the tribulation because we are not appointed to wrath
• which proves that there must be an initial Rapture followed by a 7 year tribulation

...is nothing more than a subjective house of eschatological cards. The Word says Jesus prayed the Father would NOT take us out of the world, but protect us while in it...has demonstrated repeatedly His ability to do so and His intention to do so again...and totally lacks even one precedent-setting example where God "raptured" anyone to deliver them from tribulation.

""...is nothing more than a subjective house of eschatological cards. The Word says Jesus prayed the Father would NOT take us out of the world, but protect us while in it...has demonstrated repeatedly His ability to do so and His intention to do so again...and totally lacks even one precedent-setting example where God "raptured" anyone to deliver ""

You really cannot wrap your postrib mind around the FACT that they WERE MURDERED...NOT PROTECTED...BY THE ANTICHRIST SPIRIT.

But you keep ignoring it..

It is rediculous to say otherwise..

To top it off you then say God is going to do for you what he did for them.

Too funny how you NEED It to say the OPPOSITE.

That alone destroys your Basis.

You actually base your doctrine on a deception made up in your mind.

Psssst....it says all die refusing the mark

Pssst...it says power is given to the ac to overcome the saints

Pssst...it says "they overcame....and loved not their lives TO THE DEATH"

THEY DIED..IT SAYS THEY DIED.

 

[Absolutely]

....but the white horses....

That really blows you guys outta the water.

Too funny

 

[Absolutely]

Interesting also.....

Jesus left breathing the Holy Spirit on the disciples. Floating up in the clouds.

But wait ...heaven declares he returns "IN LIKE MANNER"

HMMMMM...no antichrist, no destroyed planet,no judgement on wicked,no white horses,no conquering king,no brightness,not riding a horse...

BUT YOU GUYS REFRAME IT YO INCLUDE ALL THOSE MISSING COMPONENTS.

YOU MUST REFRAME MY VERSES.
NO WAY CAN YOU RECONCILE THEM....NO WAY.



but comical watching you guys paint yourselves in a corner.

Comical

 

[Absolutely]

It's you who will change God's truth, and reframe meanings to fit false teachings.

(The Last Day, Is The Last Day) No More Days To Follow, (Last)

Below in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 we see the dead believer in Christ, we clearly see the dead in Christ rising first?

The Bible clearly teaches that this resurrection of the believer takes place on (The Last Day)

Your claims that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 below is a (Pre-Trib) Rapture is a big Pinocchio's nose is growing again fairy tale.

Will your pride keep you from the very clear presented truth?

1 Thessalonians 4:14-17KJV
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

All you do is ignore my verses and hope your single cherry picked verses somehow void my verses.

Nope

Last day
Trump
Last trumpet
Lahaye
Jesuit
Futurist
Darby

On and on you guys bark up the wrong tree with one rabbit trail after another.

You're not aware the verses supporting the pretrib rapture do not remove from the bible by you posting other verses?

 

[Absolutely]

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
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John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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John 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
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John 7:37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
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John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
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John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
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Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
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2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the lastdays perilous times shall come.
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[Absolutely]

Hebrews 1:2
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
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James 5:3
Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
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2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

 

[Absolutely]

King James Bible
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Hmmmm...lots of last days.

 

[Absolutely]

Hmmmm....LAST DAY OF THE FEAST.

HMMMMMM