Thanks for your reply. Resurrection is singled out specifically later on in verse 18 where it says: "[the Son] is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead." Verse 15 is in regards to 'every creature'/'all creation' and seems to be in line with his description at Revelation 3:14 where he is called "the beginning of the creation of God."
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Thanks for your reply. Resurrection is singled out specifically later on in verse 18 where it says: "[the Son] is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead." Verse 15 is in regards to 'every creature'/'all creation' and seems to be in line with his description at Revelation 3:14 where he is called "the beginning of the creation of God."
Its not a simple yes or no.
Jesus is God as the Son of God .Jesus is man as the Son of man . We understand God according to the law of faith. Not what the eyes see the temporal corrupted .
One provided a will to do the other the apostle Jesus worked it out according to the power of the will .Jesus did not do the will or desire of the flesh, unless the father gave him strength
Salvation as to the peace of God as his government that does surpass human understanding requires two . One a loving authority, and two willing submissiveness.
Do you believe God is a man ? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do.
Yes, it is.
Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man.
I understand God according to the text of Scripture. The "law of faith" teaches me nothing about God.
Irrelevant bafflegab.
No. Jesus is fully God and fully Man.
Now, for the third time, Garee, do you believe that Jesus is God? Yes or no?
Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of Man.
I understand God according to the text of Scripture. The "law of faith" teaches me nothing about God.
Irrelevant bafflegab.
No. Jesus is fully God and fully Man.
Now, for the third time, Garee, do you believe that Jesus is God? Yes or no?
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Show from scripture that Jesus the Messiah is God.
i'll go first:
The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!
OK, your turn! Go!!
Let's look at it this way:
When we talk about God the Son, we have in mind the Word of God in person, in a bodily form of man seen and felt by the physical senses. As God testifies, His only begotten Son is called Jesus - The Redeemer, Messiah and Savior of the World, the Light of the World, the King of kings and Lord of lords. ( John 1: 14 says, "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth".)
Also, we have in mind the God incarnate. God is not man and is quite unlike man. His eternal and Almighty Power, Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge allow Him do whatsoever He purposes and nothing is impossible to Him. Unlike man, in the Word of God is the fullness of God. His substance is complete in His word. In other words, God is complete in His Word. (Colossians 2:9 says "for in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.)
Jesus said, the Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father. The words I speak to you, they are spirit and they are life. God is Spirit. (John 4:24). God is Life. (John 6:63) The word of God is Spirit because God is Spirit. The word of God is life because God is life. The Substance, the essence is the same. God is eternal life. His word is eternal life. There is no difference between His word and Himself. ( Also, see John 1:4 which says " in His word was life and the life was the light of men").
We can view it from this perspective, God created man with a Vision—to be holy and perfect as He is. And then came down to earth in a form man can easily relate with, with the Mission Statement to show man by words and physical example how the Vision can be fulfilled or achieved. The bible says that, in the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God. That the Word came down to earth in the form of man does not make him less than the Word of God. He was only personified for a reason. As we live according to His word in faith, we live and have eternal life. The father and the son abide in us. And we be as He is here on earth (1 John 4:17) which is the vision of God for His children.
In heaven, he takes a different form but remains the word of God as we also read in Revelation 19, 11 – 13; John the Apostle testifies, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True and in righteousness he does judge and make war. His eyes were as a frame of fire and on his head were many crowns and he had a name written that no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and his name is called The Word of God. King of Kings and Lord of Lord (verse 16}.
Jesus Christ is God. As God, he is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending. He, which was and is and is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1: 8-20, note that, it was Jesus confirming to John that he is the Alpha -----------). Compare with old Testament verses where God called Himself The God Almighty, The first and the last etc)
As a Son, he is he who lived on earth in the person of Jesus Christ, was dead, resurrected and behold he is alive forevermore. (Revelation 1: 18). He was dead and is alive, never to die again.
We as His sons too must on individual level and collectively grow in grace to reach the measure and standard of the fullness of God in Christ Jesus. ( Ephesians 4:13). Does this make us God too, when we reach this fullness? No. Reason being that we cannot achieve this by our own will and merit. While God is complete in Himself, in His Word and in His Spirit, we can only be complete in God. We must lean on Him to get completeness. We must continually lean on Him by faith to obtain the justification and sanctification of the Spirit. We remain the image and likeness of God, but nothing can be impossible unto us because the Power of God is upon us and we operate as heirs of the kingdom here on earth. We can do nothing without God, without His Word, Jesus Christ, and we are nothing without Him.
I believe we know the background reason for Him to take the form of man on earth, there is therefore no need repeating it here.
HOLINESS TO THE LORD.
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i'll go first:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
(John 1:1-5)
The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!
OK, your turn! Go!!
Let's look at it this way:
When we talk about God the Son, we have in mind the Word of God in person, in a bodily form of man seen and felt by the physical senses. As God testifies, His only begotten Son is called Jesus - The Redeemer, Messiah and Savior of the World, the Light of the World, the King of kings and Lord of lords. ( John 1: 14 says, "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth".)
Also, we have in mind the God incarnate. God is not man and is quite unlike man. His eternal and Almighty Power, Wisdom, Understanding and Knowledge allow Him do whatsoever He purposes and nothing is impossible to Him. Unlike man, in the Word of God is the fullness of God. His substance is complete in His word. In other words, God is complete in His Word. (Colossians 2:9 says "for in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.)
Jesus said, the Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father. The words I speak to you, they are spirit and they are life. God is Spirit. (John 4:24). God is Life. (John 6:63) The word of God is Spirit because God is Spirit. The word of God is life because God is life. The Substance, the essence is the same. God is eternal life. His word is eternal life. There is no difference between His word and Himself. ( Also, see John 1:4 which says " in His word was life and the life was the light of men").
We can view it from this perspective, God created man with a Vision—to be holy and perfect as He is. And then came down to earth in a form man can easily relate with, with the Mission Statement to show man by words and physical example how the Vision can be fulfilled or achieved. The bible says that, in the beginning the Word was with God and the Word was God. That the Word came down to earth in the form of man does not make him less than the Word of God. He was only personified for a reason. As we live according to His word in faith, we live and have eternal life. The father and the son abide in us. And we be as He is here on earth (1 John 4:17) which is the vision of God for His children.
In heaven, he takes a different form but remains the word of God as we also read in Revelation 19, 11 – 13; John the Apostle testifies, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True and in righteousness he does judge and make war. His eyes were as a frame of fire and on his head were many crowns and he had a name written that no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and his name is called The Word of God. King of Kings and Lord of Lord (verse 16}.
Jesus Christ is God. As God, he is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the ending. He, which was and is and is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1: 8-20, note that, it was Jesus confirming to John that he is the Alpha -----------). Compare with old Testament verses where God called Himself The God Almighty, The first and the last etc)
As a Son, he is he who lived on earth in the person of Jesus Christ, was dead, resurrected and behold he is alive forevermore. (Revelation 1: 18). He was dead and is alive, never to die again.
We as His sons too must on individual level and collectively grow in grace to reach the measure and standard of the fullness of God in Christ Jesus. ( Ephesians 4:13). Does this make us God too, when we reach this fullness? No. Reason being that we cannot achieve this by our own will and merit. While God is complete in Himself, in His Word and in His Spirit, we can only be complete in God. We must lean on Him to get completeness. We must continually lean on Him by faith to obtain the justification and sanctification of the Spirit. We remain the image and likeness of God, but nothing can be impossible unto us because the Power of God is upon us and we operate as heirs of the kingdom here on earth. We can do nothing without God, without His Word, Jesus Christ, and we are nothing without Him.
I believe we know the background reason for Him to take the form of man on earth, there is therefore no need repeating it here.
HOLINESS TO THE LORD.
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Now, for the eighty second time, Dino , do you believe that God is a man ? Yes or no?
The question is not do you think God is fully God and man. That's two entities.
Right back to square one ..Time to get the chalk board out .Below is the formula. Can you solve it?
Job9:32-33 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
The question is not do you think God is fully God and man. That's two entities.
Right back to square one ..Time to get the chalk board out .Below is the formula. Can you solve it?
Job9:32-33 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
No faith? That would seem to be the same thing the apostles suffered with at first. They had no understanding of the parables being caught up in wondering. They became parables without understanding.
Parables teach us how to walk by faith. The unseen eternal
There is only two Christian teaching laws .The letter of the law (scripture) death and the law of faith eternal life. If the law of faith is not your master teacher .What is ? Can we serve two teaching masters today ? Chose today life law of faith) or death the letter) ?
I say they work together as one .The just (the letter) and the justifier.(Faith) . . The faith or work of Christ's labor of love working in us.
Apart. . . . nothing .The circle is broken
Parables teach us how to walk by faith. The unseen eternal
There is only two Christian teaching laws .The letter of the law (scripture) death and the law of faith eternal life. If the law of faith is not your master teacher .What is ? Can we serve two teaching masters today ? Chose today life law of faith) or death the letter) ?
I say they work together as one .The just (the letter) and the justifier.(Faith) . . The faith or work of Christ's labor of love working in us.
Apart. . . . nothing .The circle is broken
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I’m not posting to cause division but to provoke thought. Was it not Christ that said My God why haven’t you forsaken me? Was it God who was crucified or Christ? When Paul wrote that all power and authority was given unto Christ and when the last enemy is defeated he than expected to deliver the kingdom up to the Father. Then he will be subject unto the Father that GOD may be all in all. If you understand what took place on the cross then understanding will come.
Job says, God is not as he is, and there is no mediator who can 'lay his hand upon' God & man, that both man and God must abide by the decision of that arbitrator.
yet behold! He does a new thing ((Isaiah 43:19)) --
who is this that can hold God to judgement? an arbitrator between two parties is greater than or equal to both, because both submit themselves to that one, holding their peace, unable to complain against him.
therefore Christ is God -- the Mediator between God and man is the mystery of the God-Man, Son of God & Son of Man.
for it's written:
being 'the Son of' -- His is His substance.
it is exactly because of the archetypal complaint of Job, that Christ came -- that God took on humanity, in order that the division be removed. 'for He so loved us' even while we were His enemies, and did not know Him, and could not approach Him.
in the garden, it was God Himself who took and made garments for the man and the woman, and covered them.
yet behold! He does a new thing ((Isaiah 43:19)) --
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus
(1 Timothy 2:5)
giving Himself as a ransom for all, at just the right time testifying.who is this that can hold God to judgement? an arbitrator between two parties is greater than or equal to both, because both submit themselves to that one, holding their peace, unable to complain against him.
therefore Christ is God -- the Mediator between God and man is the mystery of the God-Man, Son of God & Son of Man.
for it's written:
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
(Romans 11:33)
yet they are not inscrutable to The Mediator, they are not unsearchable to The Daysman -- the Son knows the Father, and no one else does ((Matthew 11:27 / Luke 10:22)) unless the Son chooses to reveal Him. being 'the Son of' -- His is His substance.
it is exactly because of the archetypal complaint of Job, that Christ came -- that God took on humanity, in order that the division be removed. 'for He so loved us' even while we were His enemies, and did not know Him, and could not approach Him.
in the garden, it was God Himself who took and made garments for the man and the woman, and covered them.
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Hi brother in Christ. , I would offer the Isaiah verse is not part of the fact that God is not a man . God performs many new things But the Creator becoming a corrupted creation is not one. His flesh is typified like all flesh sinful set aside to do what the letter of the law (death) the revealed word of God could not do save. . But Jesus knew no sin he did the will of the Spirit who dwelt in him just as with us.
The Bible informs of what God is. .Three things.
1)God is light and not only that he can create it but is the very essence or holy presence .
2)God is love in the same way . . he can exercise it as attribute
3) God Is Spirit, not a man a creation corrupted flesh and blood.
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
A daysman is a flesh and blood infallible interpreter that umpires between God as a father not seen and man seen .(Lord and master)
It is the position of a Pope or a antichrist. . . those who lord it over another persons belief . A teaching anointing master called Christ. . . man taking that position makes up the (anti) another teaching master other than Christ,. Christ not seen does the teaching or anointing.
We are warned of daysman in 1 John 2.
1 John 2.26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. . . .(not seen)
We walk by faith the unseen.
it is not the same as a mediator a apostles who declares the will of another. Jesus declared the will of the father as the father worked in Him . Its taught of God who works in us not man outside .
John 6 :45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. .
The Son of man knew nothing without the father revealing it to him
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Jesus the Son of man is the first born among the son of God .Son of man identifies apostleship. sent ones . Capitalizing it point to one of many the corner stone of the spiritual house of God, the church. She is made up of many living stones.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Which He never did. Jesus was not corrupted.
I don't see any hint of "infallible" in the text or in any definition of "daysman".
There is no need to continually add "not seen" to "God" and "seen" to "man". The readers of your posts are not stupid.
From where do you get that idea?
Jesus, a visible human being, God incarnate, did the teaching.
That doesn't mention "daysman" and it isn't talking about the role of a daysman... not even remotely.
That's not what a mediator is. Please use a proper dictionary instead of making up your own definitions.
That's a single verse about a specific subject. Applying it to everything Jesus ever knew is both erroneous and silly.
From where did you get the idea that "Son of man" identifies apostleship? That's not in the Bible either.
I don't see any hint of "infallible" in the text or in any definition of "daysman".
There is no need to continually add "not seen" to "God" and "seen" to "man". The readers of your posts are not stupid.
From where do you get that idea?
Jesus, a visible human being, God incarnate, did the teaching.
That doesn't mention "daysman" and it isn't talking about the role of a daysman... not even remotely.
That's not what a mediator is. Please use a proper dictionary instead of making up your own definitions.
That's a single verse about a specific subject. Applying it to everything Jesus ever knew is both erroneous and silly.
From where did you get the idea that "Son of man" identifies apostleship? That's not in the Bible either.
Not His Spirit it remains incorruptible. But his fleshlikened as sinful (what the eyes see) it was a must to do what the letter of the law (death) could not. Give new life. that new life took the work of faith, the unseen law thereof. . They as a demonstration of the father and the Son established the government of two working as one. The peace that surpasses human understanding. A picture of God pouring out His Spirit on sinful flesh giving it power to obey his loving commands.
Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Two laws working as one perfect law. The letter the just (that seen) and the spirit (not seen) the justifier. No mixing of the both no gospel good news
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Two laws working as one perfect law. The letter the just (that seen) and the spirit (not seen) the justifier. No mixing of the both no gospel good news
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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