Eternal Security - Most dangerous words ever preached: Once saved, always saved.

[EleventhHour]

His dishonesty speaks loud and clear!

And there is a lot of dishonesty on this thread .... the salvation deniers have come out to play in full force, commending and praising
each other's errors in their false dogma of......

...........I must EARN/KEEP what Jesus accomplished..... by my works, by my obedience, by my commandment keeping.

I really wonder how BRAVE one of them would be to stand in front of Jesus and accuse Him to His face of being an ineffectual Saviour and a liar about salvation being a gift?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

I really wonder how BRAVE one of them would be to stand in front of Jesus and accuse Him to His face of being an ineffectual Saviour and a liar about salvation being a gift?

You should look up what the Bible has to say about false accusers.

You practice evil surmisings of those not agreeing with your doctrine. You should keep your opinions to yourself and focus on providing unadulterated scripture to defend your fable.

Oh, that’s right; you can’t. You have to add leaven to the scripture make your relationship with God palatable in your continuance of sin.

 

[EleventhHour]

You should look up what the Bible has to say about false accusers.

You practice evil surmisings of those not agreeing with your doctrine. You should keep your opinions to yourself and focus on providing unadulterated scripture to defend your fable.

Oh, that’s right; you can’t. You have to add leaven to the scripture make your relationship with God palatable in your continuance of sin.

My doctrine..

The gospel is SAVED!!

I am sorry that irks, offends you... there is a reason it offends you >>> OSAS leaves no room for "I am worthy"

 

[Micaiah-imla]

OSAS leaves no room for "I am worthy"

THAT’S WHY IT IS FALSE!

It’s too easy to refute deceived people. Their false doctrine lead them to say things in direct contradiction to scripture:

Ephesians 4:1 KJV
[1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Colossians 1:9-10 KJV
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; [10] That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God

1 Thessalonians 2:11-12 KJV
[11] As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children, [12] That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

 

[Jackson123]

The Holy Bible (Clearly) teaches eternal security, as (Clearly) seen below.

John 10:27-30KJV
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.

I believe this verse mean No one able to pukul away from God but If that person walk away, he have free will
He can decide for himself.
In real live we decide what kind of food we Eat today, what kind of job we want to do.
I know a person left church and chose to be muslim Imam. There are some in Indonesia, one of them was a Christian pastor.
Now they preach against Christian.

I don't have video in english, this is ex pastor that be came muslim imam

 

[EleventhHour]

THAT’S WHY IT IS FALSE!

It’s too easy to refute deceived people. Their false doctrine lead them to say things in direct contradiction to scripture:

Ephesians 4:1 KJV
[1] I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Colossians 1:9-10 KJV
[9] For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; [10] That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God

1 Thessalonians 2:11-12 KJV
[11] As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children, [12] That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

Worthy to earn salvation.

 

[Benadam]

He says whoever believes in Him will never die.
you say anyone saying "you shall never die" is speaking for Satan.

Context. Satan was claiming power of life and death. Satan was saying death is not the wages of sin.

When Jesus said it He was saying " I have payed the wage for sin".

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Worthy to earn salvation.

Matthew 10:37-38 KJV
[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

THERE IS NO CROSS WITH OSAS.

 

[TMS]

The wages of sin is death.
The gift of God is eternal life.
We can choose between life and death. we can accept the life that God gives by dying to self, or live for self and dye. All glory to God we can not save ourselves but we must allow God to save us, surrender to Him. Jesus said "not my will but thy will be done". if we don't allow God to do his will we are choosing death. Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

We need to choose between the flesh and the spirit. This is salvation and death, and when we are born of the spirit can we choose to go back to the flesh. From my experience it is a constant struggle.
Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal_5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

To teach that we can not be lost after we accept Jesus is a lie to give false security. We need to accept Jesus daily and surrender constantly because the flesh is weak and will go back to the selfish path as soon as it can.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

We need to choose between the flesh and the spirit.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Gal. 5:16

How do we do what the scripture is asking us to do?

 

[Dino246]

You should look up what the Bible has to say about false accusers.

You practice evil surmisings of those not agreeing with your doctrine. You should keep your opinions to yourself and focus on providing unadulterated scripture to defend your fable.

Oh, that’s right; you can’t. You have to add leaven to the scripture make your relationship with God palatable in your continuance of sin.

She didn't mention you; you must have a guilty conscience.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

She didn't mention you; you must have a guilty conscience.

Eleven addressed me earlier in this thread and she obviously referred to all those on the opposing side (to which I was a participant).

I have a good conscience by the way.

Acts 23:1 KJV
[1] And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...the salvation deniers have come out to play in full force...

Denying the eternal security of the believer reveals a fundamental ignorance about the Gospel, about God, about Christ, about the Holy Spirit, and about God's plans and purposes for eternity. So all these deniers really need to set aside everything else and do some very serious study of the Bible.

Also it seems that when people commit themselves to false doctrine, they absolutely refuse to give it up, even if their life depended on it. This is probably an aspect of the Mystery of Iniquity which is at work in this world.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Also it seems that when people commit themselves to false doctrine, they absolutely refuse to give it up, even if their life depended on it. This is probably an aspect of the Mystery of Iniquity which is at work in this world.

The sad part is that you are describing yourself.

 

[throughfaith]

Yes, but don’t push it:

Jeremiah 30:14-15 KJV
[14] ....I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased. [15] Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

Isaiah 1:5 KJV
[5] Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

Jeremiah 18:9-10 KJV
[9] And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it ; [10] If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

And before you dismiss these verses:

2 Timothy 3:15 KJV
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

GET WISE UNTO THE SALVATION THAT WAS GIVEN YOU IN CHRIST AND GROW UP IN THE FAITH ALREADY!!

You don't understand. Why do you believe that those who hold to ES are behaving worse than those who don't? like I've said the opposite is true in my experience.

 

[throughfaith]

Yes, but don’t push it:

Jeremiah 30:14-15 KJV
[14] ....I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased. [15] Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

Isaiah 1:5 KJV
[5] Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

Jeremiah 18:9-10 KJV
[9] And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it ; [10] If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

And before you dismiss these verses:

2 Timothy 3:15 KJV
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

GET WISE UNTO THE SALVATION THAT WAS GIVEN YOU IN CHRIST AND GROW UP IN THE FAITH ALREADY!!

May I ask which denomination you are ?

 

[Micaiah-imla]

May I ask which denomination you are ?

Christian.

Called of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:6).

 

[throughfaith]

Christian.

Called of Jesus Christ (Romans 1:6).

Yes everyone says that . As for me im non denominational. Just a bible believer. Can I ask you, when does the new testament start ?

 

[throughfaith]

Perhaps only in your carnal mind.

Go check that out in the commentaries. 15 different scholarly understandings of those verses . And you picked what I believe is the most inconsistent interpretation in the New testament ,because it fits your world view .

 

[throughfaith]

Yes, but don’t push it:

Jeremiah 30:14-15 KJV
[14] ....I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased. [15] Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

Isaiah 1:5 KJV
[5] Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

Jeremiah 18:9-10 KJV
[9] And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it ; [10] If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

And before you dismiss these verses:

2 Timothy 3:15 KJV
[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

GET WISE UNTO THE SALVATION THAT WAS GIVEN YOU IN CHRIST AND GROW UP IN THE FAITH Timothy did not have the NT And if we did not have the NT we could not be saved . There would be no Jesus Christ born of a Virgin , no death for the sins of the world , no resurrection, No apostle to the gentiles , no reavealing of the mysteries ,that were not revealed in the OT ,no church , no redemption of the body ( no glorification)

He is not. You must. DAILY.

Are we not crucified with Christ or was it just Paul ?