By Works

[Jackson123]

It doesn't mean they cleaned themselves , that they sanctified and justified themselves.

Is that make different, If they clean themselves or clean by Jesus?

Is that different you wash you tower or your wifes

 

[Jackson123]

It sounds like your saying that they were saved by stop killing , stop stealing , stop drinking ect . is that what you believe ? No Jesus needed ?

Did I?

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

What Jesus agree?
To save> love God and love other

Do you believe love God and love other mean killing other?

 

[Jackson123]

It sounds like your saying that they were saved by stop killing , stop stealing , stop drinking ect . is that what you believe ? No Jesus needed ?

What you take oN Luke 10

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

 

[Jackson123]

Had Jesus Died on the cross for the sins of world and resurrected when he spoke to him ? No he hadn't died for the sins of the world then had he ? Notice he doesn't quote 1 cor 15 ,1-5 or Romans 10.9-10 ( which is the only way we are saved today ) Can I ask you ,when does the new testament start please ?

So you believe No body go to hell because Jesus die for all ?
Mat, mark, Luke John and all the book after that to revelation is new testament.

Do you believe 1 cor 15 say go kill other salvation not by work anyway?

 

[mailmandan]

I never read that 1 cor 6:9-11 only for non believer.
Non believer go to hell just because they are not accept Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

This is descriptive of the unrighteous. Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-21, we read - Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Practicing sin is the lifestyle of the unrighteous.

 

[Jackson123]

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

This is descriptive of the unrighteous. Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-21, we read - Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Practicing sin is the lifestyle of the unrighteous.

Yep, so to say after accept Jesus than keep killing Will only lose reward but still go to heaven is not inline with both 1 cor 6, Galatians and John.

Not bear the fruit > Cut and burn
John 15:6

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Every day you must have the whole hearted commitment to die to yourself and surrender to His will, and if need be die before you deny His name under persecution of the unbelievers if it comes to that. And it did for all of the apostles. True Christianity has not changed.

If we examine ourselves and realize we might bow the knee to an image if requested under threat of death today, then we should rush to the prayer closet and not come out until we know that we are ready to die for Christ today if required. This is Christianity 101 and anything less is false doctrine that Jesus rebuked in Rev chapters 2 and 3 to the letters to the 7 churches. Read them afresh and notice the praise for those willing to die before they would deny His name. We are still called to such a faith and less than that is apostasy.. Remember Lots Wife.

We should not be forsaking the assembling of ourselves for the purpose of praising, and honoring God. The Apostles said that we should obey God and not man, when man's laws do not match up with God's laws.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Then they should have been born alive in Christ because they had nothing to, Seperate them from God

I believe the scriptures support the fact that all of mankind are born into this world by natural birth with the inherited sin of Adam. Sometime between our natural birth and our natural death, God quickens his elect, that Christ died for, to a new spiritual life, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

This doctrine can be found in Romans, Colossians, & 1 Timothy as well. All scripture harmonizes indeed.

Romans 11:20-21
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also does not spare you.

Colossians 1:21-23
And you ...has he reconciled ...If you continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away.

1 Timothy 4:16
Take heed unto yourself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this you shall both save yourself, and them that hear you.

1 Tim 4:16; The word "save" according to Greek interpretation, means = deliver. There is an eternal deliverance that is accomplished by God's sovereign grace, without the help of man, and there are deliverances that we receive as we sojourn here in this world. 1 Tim 4:16 is a timely deliverance, not eternal.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Romans 4:5 is speaking in regards to the unbeliever, not the believer. The believer, once justified from his past conduct, must now walk worthy of that justification by the Spirit.

Galatians 3:3 is speaking in regards to returning to the ceremonial practices of the law (particularly physical circumcision).

No contradiction.

I believe that you have a misunderstanding of these two scriptures. They are referencing those who have been regenerated.

Once we have been regenerated, we are instructed to walk in the Spirit, but because we still carry the baggage of our fleshly nature, we do not always walk in the Spirit. Paul explains this in Rom 7:18-25.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

This is descriptive of the unrighteous. Furthermore, in Galatians 5:19-21, we read - Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Practicing sin is the lifestyle of the unrighteous.

I hope you are not indicating that after you were regenerated, you never sin. The Kingdom of God does not have reference to eternal heaven, but is one of many names that are used in the scriptures to represent the church that Jesus set up when he was dwelling on earth, in the form of a man. Some other names that reference the church are, The new Jerusalem, The church of the first born, the church in the wilderness, the church of God, the church of Christ, Zion, and more.

There are people who have committed some of the unrighteous acts mentioned that will be in heaven, but church discipline will not allow such to be a member.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You seem to be under the impression that value is based on doing good or that it is somehow proud to agree with God. God says I was worth dying for, so I believe I was worth dying for. Not because I am necessarily a "good person" but because God doesn't create junk.

To pretend that there aren't numerous people listed in the Bible as being righteous such as Noah, Lot, Daniel, Samuel, and Elijah to push a narrative that diminishes man and makes God a lover of trash does not honor God, nor does the false humility that is often present when people refer to themselves as "a sinner saved by grace" or "a wretch" or even "the chief of sinners".

David was the apple of God's eye, and look at all of the bad things that he did.

 

[mailmandan]

I hope you are not indicating that after you were regenerated, you never sin. .

I am not implying sinless perfection. To “practice” such sins is the willful, habitual lifestyle of the unrighteous, not the righteous. (1 John 3:7-10)

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You seem to be under the impression that value is based on doing good or that it is somehow proud to agree with God. God says I was worth dying for, so I believe I was worth dying for. Not because I am necessarily a "good person" but because God doesn't create junk.

To pretend that there aren't numerous people listed in the Bible as being righteous such as Noah, Lot, Daniel, Samuel, and Elijah to push a narrative that diminishes man and makes God a lover of trash does not honor God, nor does the false humility that is often present when people refer to themselves as "a sinner saved by grace" or "a wretch" or even "the chief of sinners".

When Paul said that he was the chiefest of sinners, do you think Paul made God a lover of trash?

 

[Blik]

yawn......nice try.....no ceegarrrr and contextually that has ZERO bearing on one losing salvation and or keeping salvation.....Catholic dogma does not fly here pal!

Surely you agree that when we are forgiven our sins by Christ, we become like a righteous person. We are sin free. If we refuse to live as a sin free person then we are not righteous any more.

The Lord knows of our human condition, if we are human, we sin. All He asks is that we give our will to Him, to will to not sin and accept His forgiveness whenever we fail.

 

[Bbrdrd]

When Paul said that he was the chiefest of sinners, do you think Paul made God a lover of trash?

Paul's words were not a matter of denigration but a matter of the redemptive value of grace. Recognizing the sinfulness of man is not what I take issue with, it is the devaluing of humanity to such an extent that there is nothing worth saving in them

. The fact that you seem offended by me saying and personally owning that God deemed each individual valuable enough to die for speaks to that.

 

[throughfaith]

Did I?

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

What Jesus agree?
To save> love God and love other

Do you believe love God and love other mean killing other?

Is this before or after the cross and resurrection?

 

[throughfaith]

So you believe No body go to hell because Jesus die for all ?
Mat, mark, Luke John and all the book after that to revelation is new testament.

Do you believe 1 cor 15 say go kill other salvation not by work anyway?

what Churches have you been to where your told to kill people ?

 

[throughfaith]

So you believe No body go to hell because Jesus die for all ?
Mat, mark, Luke John and all the book after that to revelation is new testament.

Do you believe 1 cor 15 say go kill other salvation not by work anyway?

When Jesus died 2000 years ago were you saved ? or were you saved 2000 years after the cross because of the resurection ?

 

[throughfaith]

What you take oN Luke 10

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Old testament.