The BASIC Difference between Arminians and Calvinists
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And I believe it is very much in the realm of biblical reality. At least that's how I navigate most of those uncertain waters.
Example:
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers were gathered together, against the Lord and against his Anointed’— for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
(Act 4:26-28)
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The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers were gathered together, against the Lord and against his Anointed’— for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
(Act 4:26-28)
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Jesus Christ would be happy either way, and that's all what matters. Thanks be to God.
Jesus Christ would not be happy with you laughing mockingly at your fellow Christian instead of addressing him with a serious caring demeanor though. It is never right to offend people, and if you do, you oughta apologize right away. That's what pleases God. If it wasn't important to God, I wouldn't be telling you this as I'm not sensitive except to the Lord's will and commandments.
Jesus Christ would not be happy with you laughing mockingly at your fellow Christian instead of addressing him with a serious caring demeanor though. It is never right to offend people, and if you do, you oughta apologize right away. That's what pleases God. If it wasn't important to God, I wouldn't be telling you this as I'm not sensitive except to the Lord's will and commandments.
You seem to be following the conversation just as well as your buddies.
No scripture was quoted. Just a statement was made. I asked a precise question about that statement.
No answer was forthcoming.
I even tried to elaborate what exactly I was asking. Still nothing.
Maybe instead of jumping on some imaginary bandwagon you could just answer the original question?
No scripture was quoted. Just a statement was made. I asked a precise question about that statement.
No answer was forthcoming.
I even tried to elaborate what exactly I was asking. Still nothing.
Maybe instead of jumping on some imaginary bandwagon you could just answer the original question?
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I actually asked this question first... and you replied with more questions. So why would I even offer a real answer when you were baiting me.
Instead of going one some question hunt you could have just answered my initial post which was not even a reply to you, if you had wanted.
And @1ofthem is correct in her response, so far you have not really been able to defend your dogma, it is the same ole standard replies.
Instead of going one some question hunt you could have just answered my initial post which was not even a reply to you, if you had wanted.
And @1ofthem is correct in her response, so far you have not really been able to defend your dogma, it is the same ole standard replies.
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"Jesus Christ would be happy either way, and that's all what matters. Thanks be to God."...Let's leave it at that.
Your bit about me mocking is a fabrication of your imagination. What I said was in fun...nothing more, nothing less.
God knows the spirit in how it was intended, you don't. If you are sensitive to his Commandments, then if memory serves me right, how about this...'Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor'. (I hope I am being serious enough).
Your bit about me mocking is a fabrication of your imagination. What I said was in fun...nothing more, nothing less.
God knows the spirit in how it was intended, you don't. If you are sensitive to his Commandments, then if memory serves me right, how about this...'Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor'. (I hope I am being serious enough).
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Remember this whole business started when someone came in and misrepresented what you believe even after a few people told him he was wrong and ole miss 11 jumped on his bandwagon, which is where her origional question came from. (Something to the affect is your assurance based on your regeneration) when anyone who listens to you knows that your assurance comes fromChrist,
His promises that he will never leave nor forsake you,
His promise of eternal life,
His promise of the seal of the spirit
His promise of Completing the work that he begun
His promise that you will never hunger, thirst, die, you will live forever and be raised on the last day
His promise that as long as he lives you will live also
His promise that you are his child, and as his child you you have an Abba Father, not a spirit of fear
His promise that (I can go on and on and on of the things God promised which gues is the HOPe of which we base out faith in, and our assurance in, it it not in self, because if we relied and placed our assurance in self we KNoW we would fail
they also can not comprehend that when it comes to the gospel the only real difference between you and us is when we had the faith that justifies. and Where it came from, and when we are regenerated.
granted, you have some extreme calvinists that are deep in lordship salvation and ard are Dangerous, In their imposed legalism on Christians, but you Have non calvinists which do this also (again I was under one once, so I know the dangers) but all of the nonsense that you think you must endure to the end thus must live in fear that you never are really saved and all the other nonsense throughfaith tried to slam down your throat as the truth of your gospel has been thoroughly debunked, and she can Not let it go.
Anyway, Considering you had already answered the question numerous times and other stuff, it’s a wonder you answered her at all, but it is understandable you answered her the way you did,, I mean I guess it is ok for her to answer Others that way, I guess it’s not ok for others.
His promises that he will never leave nor forsake you,
His promise of eternal life,
His promise of the seal of the spirit
His promise of Completing the work that he begun
His promise that you will never hunger, thirst, die, you will live forever and be raised on the last day
His promise that as long as he lives you will live also
His promise that you are his child, and as his child you you have an Abba Father, not a spirit of fear
His promise that (I can go on and on and on of the things God promised which gues is the HOPe of which we base out faith in, and our assurance in, it it not in self, because if we relied and placed our assurance in self we KNoW we would fail
they also can not comprehend that when it comes to the gospel the only real difference between you and us is when we had the faith that justifies. and Where it came from, and when we are regenerated.
granted, you have some extreme calvinists that are deep in lordship salvation and ard are Dangerous, In their imposed legalism on Christians, but you Have non calvinists which do this also (again I was under one once, so I know the dangers) but all of the nonsense that you think you must endure to the end thus must live in fear that you never are really saved and all the other nonsense throughfaith tried to slam down your throat as the truth of your gospel has been thoroughly debunked, and she can Not let it go.
Anyway, Considering you had already answered the question numerous times and other stuff, it’s a wonder you answered her at all, but it is understandable you answered her the way you did,, I mean I guess it is ok for her to answer Others that way, I guess it’s not ok for others.
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Listen maybe you could leave your defensiveness out for a bit... if your dogma is truth why are you defensive.
Well then you should have just asked in a more direct way.
I am not sure what tenets of Calvinism you hold to ... I have read John Calvin and all everything that goes with it .... and a central tenet is that regeneration precedes belief.
So I would think a Calvinite knows they are saved when they have been regenerated?
Well then you should have just asked in a more direct way.
I am not sure what tenets of Calvinism you hold to ... I have read John Calvin and all everything that goes with it .... and a central tenet is that regeneration precedes belief.
So I would think a Calvinite knows they are saved when they have been regenerated?
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What do I do with those truths? Examples . . .
"by grace you are saved through faith" - With this one, I shout hallelujah, I am saved by grace! Praise the Lord!
(Eph 2:8)
"be filled with the Spirit" - (Eph. 5:18) - I endeavor to let the Spirit of god fill me with his presence and then I endeavor to listen to and live by this Spirit (Gal. 5:25)
"put on the whole armor of God . . ." (Eph. 6:11) - I endeavor to enter spiritual warfare protected by the armor of God
"by grace you are saved through faith" - With this one, I shout hallelujah, I am saved by grace! Praise the Lord!
(Eph 2:8)
"be filled with the Spirit" - (Eph. 5:18) - I endeavor to let the Spirit of god fill me with his presence and then I endeavor to listen to and live by this Spirit (Gal. 5:25)
"put on the whole armor of God . . ." (Eph. 6:11) - I endeavor to enter spiritual warfare protected by the armor of God
I was mainly responding to this statement of yours...
"if one takes man's words of a doctrinal position and takes it back to interpret Scripture you will get it wrong every time!"
IOW, whatever your interpretation of a passage, someone else may come along and also call it 'man's words of a doctrinal position'.
For ex, in your 2nd 'truth' above, some will challenge that by saying the Holy Spirit is a Person, not a fluid that fills us, and rather that passage is referring to being filled with His Will...and less of ours. To interpret it as 'being filled with His presence' gets into an unscriptural realm and leads one into a walk of sight/feeling rather than faith.
"if one takes man's words of a doctrinal position and takes it back to interpret Scripture you will get it wrong every time!"
IOW, whatever your interpretation of a passage, someone else may come along and also call it 'man's words of a doctrinal position'.
For ex, in your 2nd 'truth' above, some will challenge that by saying the Holy Spirit is a Person, not a fluid that fills us, and rather that passage is referring to being filled with His Will...and less of ours. To interpret it as 'being filled with His presence' gets into an unscriptural realm and leads one into a walk of sight/feeling rather than faith.
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