My take on water baptism...
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wow man, i pity you 
Progressive revelation is how I interpret scripture. God reveals truth gradually over time. I don't use my current understanding, based on what Paul has revealed to us, and attempt to insert them into Abraham's understanding.
So for those of us who claimed we follow the GC, we don't really follow the order that it was stated, unlike the 12.
Do you agree?
Luke 24:44-53
44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for[a] the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
Do you agree?
Luke 24:44-53
44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for[a] the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
The Apostles did not water baptize.
Here's some data on Baptism...
The question we must ask, and answer, is why did Jesus command his disciples to stay in Jerusalem? It was to wait for what the Father had promised, i.e., the gift of holy spirit. The disciples had already been baptized in water. If water baptism was all that was important and necessary for salvation, there would have been no need for the disciples to wait in Jerusalem or receive the gift of holy spirit. Sadly, many people reverse what Jesus said here in Acts. They say water baptism is essential for the believer and act as if baptism in holy spirit is not really essential but perhaps “nice to have,” or valuable in many ways. Jesus was teaching quite the opposite. He knew the disciples had already been water baptized. He also knew it would no longer be intrinsically valuable after the Church started on the Day of Pentecost. Thus, he commanded his disciples to stay in Jerusalem and receive baptism in holy spirit “because” John [only] baptized in water, but holy spirit was going to be first poured out in Jerusalem.
“with water.” The Greek is hudōr (#5204 ὕδωρ) in the dative, thus, “with water.” Thus it is clear that the element that people were baptized with was water. However, in the later part of the verse, the specific word “in” (en, #1722 ἐν) is used, emphasizing that the Christian is baptized “in” holy spirit. There is one baptism for the Christian, and it is spirit, not water (cp. Eph. 4:5). John’s baptism was a shadow of what was to come, and even John himself said this (Matt. 3:11; etc.). There is no reason to baptize in water today. Nevertheless, the practice continues, and sadly some even teach that it is necessary for salvation.
Here's some data on Baptism...
The question we must ask, and answer, is why did Jesus command his disciples to stay in Jerusalem? It was to wait for what the Father had promised, i.e., the gift of holy spirit. The disciples had already been baptized in water. If water baptism was all that was important and necessary for salvation, there would have been no need for the disciples to wait in Jerusalem or receive the gift of holy spirit. Sadly, many people reverse what Jesus said here in Acts. They say water baptism is essential for the believer and act as if baptism in holy spirit is not really essential but perhaps “nice to have,” or valuable in many ways. Jesus was teaching quite the opposite. He knew the disciples had already been water baptized. He also knew it would no longer be intrinsically valuable after the Church started on the Day of Pentecost. Thus, he commanded his disciples to stay in Jerusalem and receive baptism in holy spirit “because” John [only] baptized in water, but holy spirit was going to be first poured out in Jerusalem.
“with water.” The Greek is hudōr (#5204 ὕδωρ) in the dative, thus, “with water.” Thus it is clear that the element that people were baptized with was water. However, in the later part of the verse, the specific word “in” (en, #1722 ἐν) is used, emphasizing that the Christian is baptized “in” holy spirit. There is one baptism for the Christian, and it is spirit, not water (cp. Eph. 4:5). John’s baptism was a shadow of what was to come, and even John himself said this (Matt. 3:11; etc.). There is no reason to baptize in water today. Nevertheless, the practice continues, and sadly some even teach that it is necessary for salvation.
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Genesis 15:5-6 could not have been clearer
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Nothing is said there about Abraham seeing that Jesus would be one of those descendants and he would be on the cross, and his resurrection would free his descendants from all their sins.
We insert that into Abraham's understanding, because we already understood Galatians 3 and we think "Abraham must have understood it too".
5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Nothing is said there about Abraham seeing that Jesus would be one of those descendants and he would be on the cross, and his resurrection would free his descendants from all their sins.
We insert that into Abraham's understanding, because we already understood Galatians 3 and we think "Abraham must have understood it too".
I don't have a disdain for water baptism, and I don't think Peter does either. The think we don't like is people getting water baptized and thinking they are saved. Water does not save anyone. People need to be baptized in holy spirit. The actual baptism is found in Romans 10:9, 10. It's not water, but faith or genuine trust.
And I agree water baptism isn't what saves but the argument between peter and I is whether water baptism is unbiblical and abolished in the testament.
From my point of view water baptism is about giving a testimony of your dedication to Christ it isn't about being saved peter seems to think that this is not so and that it was done away with completely
From my point of view water baptism is about giving a testimony of your dedication to Christ it isn't about being saved peter seems to think that this is not so and that it was done away with completely
For me, I interpret Hebrews 11 as, the OT guys were placed in paradise/Abraham's bosom because they obeyed what God commanded them to do.
God told Noah to build an ark, he built it
God told Abel to offer a better sacrifice, he offered it.
Yes, all of them put their faith in God, no doubt, but they had to DO an action corresponding to that faith. Faith alone apart from works was not an option for them.
Likewise, in the 4 Gospels, and early Acts, Jesus commanded water baptism as a requirement for salvation. If you have faith in Jesus, you also need to be water baptized (Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38).
For us fortunate enough to be born after Paul, here is how we show faith in God, Romans 3:21 and Romans 4:5
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
So we show faith in God by following what he told Paul to tell us. And yes, that also removed the necessity of water baptism for us, in the But now time period that we are in.
God told Noah to build an ark, he built it
God told Abel to offer a better sacrifice, he offered it.
Yes, all of them put their faith in God, no doubt, but they had to DO an action corresponding to that faith. Faith alone apart from works was not an option for them.
Likewise, in the 4 Gospels, and early Acts, Jesus commanded water baptism as a requirement for salvation. If you have faith in Jesus, you also need to be water baptized (Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38).
For us fortunate enough to be born after Paul, here is how we show faith in God, Romans 3:21 and Romans 4:5
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
So we show faith in God by following what he told Paul to tell us. And yes, that also removed the necessity of water baptism for us, in the But now time period that we are in.
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