Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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What she is really saying is she's still pretty much a Catholic and will never escape that because even in Christ that can't happen.
Wait. Scratch that. She means anyone else she loathes can't escape it, but not her. Different rules for her than for others.
THEY can never escape it, but she has. Lol!!!
Wait. Scratch that. She means anyone else she loathes can't escape it, but not her. Different rules for her than for others.
THEY can never escape it, but she has. Lol!!!
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You should know by now that I do not put any sock in free will... at best, surely it is a misnomer
But of course I meant stock
This keyboard's T key has been problematic from the get-go
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When you're already in a church inundated with the ideas they seem perfectly "natural" but there's a reason that churches that were still in tune with the original languages of the church never accepted Augustine's take on original sin and his very gnostic view of humanity/creation.
As I stated in the first post you responded to, Calvinism is supported by modern ideas being superimposed over proof texts to such a degree that the historic positions seem to be the strange ones rather than the 5th century invention that was refined in the 16th century.
As I stated in the first post you responded to, Calvinism is supported by modern ideas being superimposed over proof texts to such a degree that the historic positions seem to be the strange ones rather than the 5th century invention that was refined in the 16th century.
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Some are granted faith and repentance, some are not. That makes you angry, Romans 9:19-20.
You don't know what you're talking about and rarely ever do which is why I rarely engage you. It's a huge waste of time, all you want to do is mock, ridicule, belittle and give likes to childish posts of blathering rants. Right?
You don't understand scripture at all, or rarely, while perpetually taking it out of context. Why not just stop talking and trying to teach, and spend a lot of time learning, "NOY?"
Now get your next nine hundred posts in. I'll read them and refuse wasting time to correct you for the most part, you cannot receive it. Go for it.
You don't know what you're talking about and rarely ever do which is why I rarely engage you. It's a huge waste of time, all you want to do is mock, ridicule, belittle and give likes to childish posts of blathering rants. Right?
You don't understand scripture at all, or rarely, while perpetually taking it out of context. Why not just stop talking and trying to teach, and spend a lot of time learning, "NOY?"
Now get your next nine hundred posts in. I'll read them and refuse wasting time to correct you for the most part, you cannot receive it. Go for it.
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This is the passage used by Calvinists to support their theory of election for damnation (some call it double predestination, but it matters not):
ROMANS 9: GOD ALREADY KNOWS WHO WILL REPENT AND WHO WILL NOT
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. [Note: Romans 11: 32 says that God will have mercy on all, which means that none are excluded from His grace]
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. [Note: This means that salvation is not by human effort, but purely by the grace and mercy of God]
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. [Note: the divine judgment of Pharaoh and the Egyptians became known throughout the ancient world]
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [Note: God hardens hearts only after sinners repeatedly harden their hearts]
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [Note: God's foreknowledge
sees in advance those who will repent (honour) and those who will not (dishonour)]
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Paul uses this evil Pharaoh who opposed God and Moses as an example of a sinner who hardened his heart over and over again until God hardened his heart and he could not repent.
The narrative shows us that this evil man could have chosen to repent at any time while those plagues came upon Egypt (or even before), since God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezek 18:23; 33:11). But every time Pharaoh had the opportunity, he refused to repent, and hardened his heart even more. God endured his lack of repentance with longsuffering (v 22) but eventually he became a "vessel unto dishonour" and "a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction" (eternal Hell).
But Calvinists turn this on its head and claim that just as God had already predestined Pharaoh for Hell, He predestines some sinners for Hell. Indeed the Westminster Confession of Faith says that God does this by an eternal decree, which means that there is no hope for some people,
ROMANS 9: GOD ALREADY KNOWS WHO WILL REPENT AND WHO WILL NOT
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. [Note: Romans 11: 32 says that God will have mercy on all, which means that none are excluded from His grace]
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. [Note: This means that salvation is not by human effort, but purely by the grace and mercy of God]
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. [Note: the divine judgment of Pharaoh and the Egyptians became known throughout the ancient world]
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. [Note: God hardens hearts only after sinners repeatedly harden their hearts]
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [Note: God's foreknowledge
sees in advance those who will repent (honour) and those who will not (dishonour)]
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Paul uses this evil Pharaoh who opposed God and Moses as an example of a sinner who hardened his heart over and over again until God hardened his heart and he could not repent.
The narrative shows us that this evil man could have chosen to repent at any time while those plagues came upon Egypt (or even before), since God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezek 18:23; 33:11). But every time Pharaoh had the opportunity, he refused to repent, and hardened his heart even more. God endured his lack of repentance with longsuffering (v 22) but eventually he became a "vessel unto dishonour" and "a vessel of wrath fitted to destruction" (eternal Hell).
But Calvinists turn this on its head and claim that just as God had already predestined Pharaoh for Hell, He predestines some sinners for Hell. Indeed the Westminster Confession of Faith says that God does this by an eternal decree, which means that there is no hope for some people,
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Some are granted faith and repentance, some are not. That makes you angry, Romans 9:19-20.
You don't know what you're talking about and rarely ever do which is why I rarely engage you. It's a huge waste of time, all you want to do is mock, ridicule, belittle and give likes to childish posts of blathering rants. Right?
You don't understand scripture at all, or rarely, while perpetually taking it out of context. Why not just stop talking and trying to teach, and spend a lot of time learning, "NOY?"
Now get your next nine hundred posts in. I'll read them and refuse wasting time to correct you for the most part, you cannot receive it. Go for it.
You don't know what you're talking about and rarely ever do which is why I rarely engage you. It's a huge waste of time, all you want to do is mock, ridicule, belittle and give likes to childish posts of blathering rants. Right?
You don't understand scripture at all, or rarely, while perpetually taking it out of context. Why not just stop talking and trying to teach, and spend a lot of time learning, "NOY?"
Now get your next nine hundred posts in. I'll read them and refuse wasting time to correct you for the most part, you cannot receive it. Go for it.
Calvinism and sadly I do understand all your post too well.
And I am not teaching ... refuting ..............as we all should, those that know your "the system" is not from God.
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Does this mean I should give a like to your post ..................
to your post ..................
People are complaining about getting a thumb down or disagree? AGAIN? That is what is childish, in fact it is petulant and childish.
The even funnier thing? @lenna hasn't been here long, and has given out "disagrees" (those horrendous "Red X's" ) 3 to 1. Actually MORE than 3 to 1! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And she's complaining?
The even funnier thing? @lenna hasn't been here long, and has given out "disagrees" (those horrendous "Red X's"
) 3 to 1. Actually MORE than 3 to 1! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And she's complaining?
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Hmmm, you're contradicting your own Primitive Baptist "gospel." The quickening you refer to comes when persons are granted faith in the Gospel, and are then subsequently given eternal life, Ephesians 2; John 1:12-13. In your false gospel they are only given temporary deliverance if they believe, not eternal life as per 1 Timothy 1:16.
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Very much so. Both in how Calvinism is presented/preserved through inundation to the doctrine and secret language and in its views of creation.
Though the latter gnosticism is something that has been present and even predominant in the church since Augustine and Calvin just ran with the baton.
It's pretty much why I say the T is the doctrine that Calvinism stands or falls on. And it's the one they least often have to defend because both the Catholic and protestant church are so heavily reliant on Augustine.
Though the latter gnosticism is something that has been present and even predominant in the church since Augustine and Calvin just ran with the baton.
It's pretty much why I say the T is the doctrine that Calvinism stands or falls on. And it's the one they least often have to defend because both the Catholic and protestant church are so heavily reliant on Augustine.
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Repentance is a work God performs in us . He must do the first work as our first love of believing a God not seen No man of his own volition cans seek without him first giving His understanding as a work of His faith in us. That work of God labor of love is needed to soften the hard hearts of mankind
Hell is the living sufferings we experience in these bodies of death. . that which will surely die the first, death. The wage of sin.. Some make it after work called purgatory. .
God did not have to harden the Pharaohs hard heart. He was born that way.
It showed the Pharaoh as a atheist or fool; "no God in his thinking which is needed to believe in a God not seen. No faith the froward generation of Adam the evil generation.
God revealed that by killing all the first born as a sign against unbelief. . no faith.
Those who were trusting prophecy of Moses knew the time had come. Their hearts we made soft as God applied his prophecy to their hearts .
Behold, I go forward, but he is not there; and backward, but I cannot perceive him: On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him: But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me: Job 23: 8-16
Can't make one own heart soft .Some murmur as if they could and will be found with a righteous of their own like the Pharaoh .
Job did not murmur but rather trusted the power of Emanuel that did work to make it soft.. both to wil and do the god pleasure of God who always does whatsoever His own soul pleases.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:Philipian2: 13 14
Hell is the living sufferings we experience in these bodies of death. . that which will surely die the first, death. The wage of sin.. Some make it after work called purgatory. .
God did not have to harden the Pharaohs hard heart. He was born that way.
It showed the Pharaoh as a atheist or fool; "no God in his thinking which is needed to believe in a God not seen. No faith the froward generation of Adam the evil generation.
God revealed that by killing all the first born as a sign against unbelief. . no faith.
Those who were trusting prophecy of Moses knew the time had come. Their hearts we made soft as God applied his prophecy to their hearts .
Behold, I go forward, but he is not there; and backward, but I cannot perceive him: On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him: But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me: Job 23: 8-16
Can't make one own heart soft .Some murmur as if they could and will be found with a righteous of their own like the Pharaoh .
Job did not murmur but rather trusted the power of Emanuel that did work to make it soft.. both to wil and do the god pleasure of God who always does whatsoever His own soul pleases.
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:Philipian2: 13 14
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Its not secret if one rightly divides the parables.. . using the prescription (2 Corinthian 4:18) Only if they, "the Gnostics" ignore .
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Parables reveal the secrets . Without parables Christ spoke not . Gnosticism simply makes the parable without effect so that men can follow after the temporal seen. Therefore literalizing the unseen gospel understanding. As if the kingdom of God came by observation . Walking by sight after the temporal .God is not served by the corrupted hands of of those dead in their trespasses and sin .
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them (Gnostics) and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
It as a labor of His love does come by faith the unseen eternal . As sons of God it does not appear to what we will be as the chaste virgin bride the church .
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Parables reveal the secrets . Without parables Christ spoke not . Gnosticism simply makes the parable without effect so that men can follow after the temporal seen. Therefore literalizing the unseen gospel understanding. As if the kingdom of God came by observation . Walking by sight after the temporal .God is not served by the corrupted hands of of those dead in their trespasses and sin .
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them (Gnostics) and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
It as a labor of His love does come by faith the unseen eternal . As sons of God it does not appear to what we will be as the chaste virgin bride the church .
I was thinking more along the lines of theological language such as the "hidden will" and other doctrine that are reserved for later initiates. Though that certainly works too.
A lot of my growth in faith came from being a very reluctant Calvinist in my early formation because I was convinced that Calvinists had the best grasp on the Bible. That is, until I got so sick of the dual mindedness it created in me towards my fellow man separating people into "reprobates" and "elect" mentally while espousing a general love that I declared the entire Bible a lie. That was when God showed me the Calvinists don't have the proper view because they neglect the Hebrew context in exchange for a Roman one.
A lot of my growth in faith came from being a very reluctant Calvinist in my early formation because I was convinced that Calvinists had the best grasp on the Bible. That is, until I got so sick of the dual mindedness it created in me towards my fellow man separating people into "reprobates" and "elect" mentally while espousing a general love that I declared the entire Bible a lie. That was when God showed me the Calvinists don't have the proper view because they neglect the Hebrew context in exchange for a Roman one.
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So sometimes "all" means all and sometimes it does not.... I guess when it suits Calvinism right?
Just like "world" does not mean world.
"God is love" does not really mean He is love.
"every" does not mean every it means the elect
"whosoever" really means those I have selected
then we have a God who brings a life into the world and withholds His offer of grace ... yup that is not deceptively twisting scripture ...no not at all
I will go with scripture....
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).
Just like "world" does not mean world.
"God is love" does not really mean He is love.
"every" does not mean every it means the elect
"whosoever" really means those I have selected
then we have a God who brings a life into the world and withholds His offer of grace ... yup that is not deceptively twisting scripture ...no not at all
I will go with scripture....
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).
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