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You Will Know Them By Their Fruits.
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EleventhHour
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As I recall you are Catholic, I understand how suffering ties into your thinking .. however that would mean only those who suffer would bear the best fruit and frankly a suffering tree does not grow the best fruit but the tree that is well connected to the ground/roots and the nutrients.
Lisa Appelo.
Our darkest places can also produce good fruit.these are lessons we would never learn,insight we would never have,character that would never get shaped,unless we have been broken open in the darkest of place of suffering.
We may grieve over the circumstances that got us here,but suffering- if we let it- can produce good fruit.
There is good fruit in brokenness- fruit that would never have come if we lived every day in the sun.
Amen..Amen...Amen....Lisa.
Our darkest places can also produce good fruit.these are lessons we would never learn,insight we would never have,character that would never get shaped,unless we have been broken open in the darkest of place of suffering.
We may grieve over the circumstances that got us here,but suffering- if we let it- can produce good fruit.
There is good fruit in brokenness- fruit that would never have come if we lived every day in the sun.
Amen..Amen...Amen....Lisa.
[QUOTE="EleventhHour, post: 4328884, member: .. however that would mean only those who suffer would bear the best fruit and frankly a suffering tree does not grow the best fruit but the tree that is well connected to the ground/roots and the nutrients.[/QUOTE]
No one said suffering bears the best fruit....but it does bear great fruit,nonetheless.
Thank God for great suffering......and that he breaks us.
No one said suffering bears the best fruit....but it does bear great fruit,nonetheless.
Thank God for great suffering......and that he breaks us.
I am not saying persicution is the only way to grow in him but it does have it's benefits
No one said suffering bears the best fruit....but it does bear great fruit,nonetheless.
Thank God for great suffering......and that he breaks us.[/QUOTE] I will admit though I would like to not have to suffer so much, I love this quote from one of my favorite movies even almighty when he was being made fun and mocked and called crazy because he was listening to God and he said to God I know I know you do this because you love me, then said do me a favor love me a little less
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EleventhHour
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Not saying Christians will not be persecuted, I just have not seen in scripture where "fruit of the Spirit" and persecution are tied together as one necessary for the other.
Perhaps you are thinking more about chastening and discipline... I think that is something different.
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EleventhHour
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Yes we see this in Roman Catholicism for sure.
"If God sends you many sufferings, it is a sign that He has great plans for you and certainly wants to make you a saint."
This is a quote from St. Ignatius of Loyola.
It depends on how you look it, sometimes there are hidden truths in scripture that are not at point blank, the scriptures all tie together in one way or another it like God is one not contrary to itself. Discipline and chastening can produce fruits of the spirit if it was not fruits of the spirit that was produced from chastening and dicipline then it would be the work of the flesh and produce nothing of value.
You aren’t understanding what he means.....which is fine.....of course persecution is tied to producing fruit....you just can’t see it....which is ok....
Your comment caused me to recall what Tertullian wrote concerning persecution,
”The oftener we are mown down by you, the more in number we grow; the blood of Christians is seed.”
(Apology, 50.13)
It is from this statement of his that the popular phrase, “The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church,” is derived.
Whether it is or isn't I do not know but most of my life all I have known is suffering and sadness, my parents severely abused and starved me drugged me sexually assulted me treated me as a slave to the point I was so starved I was an eight year the size of a five year old , I was taken away and put in a foster home but soon after I got cancer I don't think I need to explain how severely painful and horrible that can be my body was permanently damaged my brain which was already under developed from my parents was damaged even more and even after I was finally cured I still never knew the love of a family I was always alone uncared about my family never listened to me I felt uncared about unloved and just simply alone now for almost two years my eyes have been fighting to be saved I was almost completely blind at one point and I have had to go through horrible treatments to save my eyes including having needles in my eye sockets.
All of this though helped me to grow and trust in God even I am able to help and understand others who have known suffering because I myself have known suffering, God used all of this.
I cannot say if it is a roman catholic beleif but it has ringed true in my life
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EleventhHour
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I will admit though I would like to not have to suffer so much, I love this quote from one of my favorite movies even almighty when he was being made fun and mocked and called crazy because he was listening to God and he said to God I know I know you do this because you love me, then said do me a favor love me a little less
[/QUOTE]All I am saying is "the fruit of the Spirit" does not comely solely from suffering.... scripture makes it clear victory over sin and living out our new identity comes by His Grace, walking in the Spirit and recognizing we are new creations in Him.
And all that suffering you endured...look what came out of it......what a wonderful witness you are for the Lord.....he works in and through you,that’s for sure.
Thanks for sharing bro...that couldn’t have been easy......may you continue to grow in the Lord.....in Jesus Name..Amen!
I will admit though I would like to not have to suffer so much, I love this quote from one of my favorite movies even almighty when he was being made fun and mocked and called crazy because he was listening to God and he said to God I know I know you do this because you love me, then said do me a favor love me a little less
All I am saying is "the fruit of the Spirit" does not comely solely from suffering.... scripture makes it clear victory over sin and living out our new identity comes by His Grace, walking in the Spirit and recognizing we are new creations in Him.[/QUOTE] I agree it is not only through suffering they produced I love to just sometimes take a break from cc and saok in him relish in his waters serinity and peace